Which PH would be best with Clen/T3

[thejames]

I have thought of

m4ohn @ 24 mg a day split up 4-6 times with m5aa coming in the last 2 or 3 weeks at 30 - 50 mg for 8 weeks

or

m1-t @ 5 mg a day for 4 weeks than
m4ohn @ 24 mg a day split up 4-6 times for 2 weeks


My plan of attack is Clen/Ketotifen at 100mg/1mg mix up to 160 mg, but probably will stay at 100 mg a day because I have never used it before. For T3, the highest I would get up to is 75 mg split up into 3 times a day.

Anyone have any better suggestions? I think the problem with the second idea is that m4ohn for 2 weeks usually isn't enough to see anything? Any PH/PS I can use after 4 weeks for around 2 more weeks to cancel out muscle catabolism? Also the m1-t for 4 weeks at 5 mg a day would be equivalent to 10 mg a day for 2 weeks correct?



Last question, anyone tried m4ohn/m5aa stack alone to cut and is happy with good results? I have read threads where people swear by m5aa for cutting and threads where people said it didn't do anything at all.

 

[redspy]

Personally I would go with M4OHN, however, most cycle logs I've seen suggest you need to run it 4-6 weeks to really see results. The logs suggest it's not a big mass builder like M1T but it's a great cutter and low on side effects.

I've been using M5AA @ 20mg preworkout and am impressed with the mental focus and strength increases it offers. I've also heard it's great for the last week or two of a cycle to harden up.

When you refer to a clen dosage of 100mg-160mg I assume you mean mcg. 160mg of this stuff would be seriously harmful.

There's a ton of posts on M4OHN and M5AA on anabolic minds if you need to do more research.

 

[thejames]

Your right I mean mcg for both T3 and Clen. I have read a great deal of the threads on anabolic minds about m4ohn and m5aa.

Do you think the m4ohn and m5aa would be enough to keep from dropping muscle while running clen/t3?

Most people seem to think it takes at least 2 weeks to kick in. I could start 2 weeks with m4ohn than start clen/t3 at week 3. I could just run clen and drop the t3 or vice versa.

Of course, on anabolicminds I saw where a few people said m4ohn wasn't enough to combat clen/t3. Decisions. Decisions.

M4ohn feedback seems kind of all over the place on how effective it is.

If I ever wanted to run a cycle with Clen AND T3 maybe I should just look into real gear.

How about?

Weeks 1-8 Clen/Ketotifen @ 100 mcg
Weeks 1-8 M4ohn @ 24 mg divided up 4-6 times a day
Weeks 6-8 m5aa @ 30 mg preworkout

PCT Nolva 60 mg week 1, 40 mg week 2 and 3, 20 mg week 4

 

[LAM]

My plan of attack is Clen/Ketotifen at 100mg/1mg mix up to 160 mg, but probably will stay at 100 mg a day because I have never used it before. For T3, the highest I would get up to is 75 mg split up into 3 times a day.

the half-life of T3 varies but can range from 10-24 hours, so you don't really have to split up the dosage...

 

[thejames]

I read in a article on bb.com where it says to split up the T3 dosages throughout the day. Wouldn't splitting up the T3 be in avoidance of the stimulatory effects sort of like splitting up the dosages of Clen? Not necessarily to increase the effectiveness, but rather to avoid sides.

 

[LAM]

I read in a article on bb.com where it says to split up the T3 dosages throughout the day. Wouldn't splitting up the T3 be in avoidance of the stimulatory effects sort of like splitting up the dosages of Clen? Not necessarily to increase the effectiveness, but rather to avoid sides.

there is some truth to that but in regards to feeling "sides" from those compounds typically you either suffer from them or you don't so how you adminster the dosage is usually moot...

 

[thejames]

If I wanted to use M4ohn bulk powder. I would take 200 ml of olive oil and 1 gram of m4ohn powder mix, and have 5mg every 1ml right? I read people heating it up and than I read people just mixing and shaking. Anyone have any experience with just mixing and shaking?

 

[redspy]

Do you think the m4ohn and m5aa would be enough to keep from dropping muscle while running clen/t3?

It's hard to predict without understanding your calorific intake. Using higher doses of T3 I would definitely expect some muscle loss, I'd say it's hard to avoid.

Most people seem to think it takes at least 2 weeks to kick in. I could start 2 weeks with m4ohn than start clen/t3 at week 3. I could just run clen and drop the t3 or vice versa.

Running PH/PS a couple of weeks before running Clen or T3 is a good idea, as like you say it will give them some time to kick in. I've seen several people recommend this for T3 or Trimax cycles.

Of course, on anabolicminds I saw where a few people said m4ohn wasn't enough to combat clen/t3. Decisions. Decisions.

When M4OHN was released there was some serious hype, people were saying it's better than M1T. People were using it in the hope of adding serious mass. In reality it hasn't met those high expectations. If you approach it as a good cutter and not a monster mass builder you probably won't be disappointed.

How about?

Weeks 1-8 Clen/Ketotifen @ 100 mcg
Weeks 1-8 M4ohn @ 24 mg divided up 4-6 times a day
Weeks 6-8 m5aa @ 30 mg preworkout

PCT Nolva 60 mg week 1, 40 mg week 2 and 3, 20 mg week 4

Overall I think this is a good plan. I would be tempted to run the M5AA not just pre workout, but everyday at 40-60mg in weeks 6-8. However, on the downside this would mean running methyls for 8 weeks - your liver might not be too pleased about this. SuperSoldier on AM has posted some good bloodwork data on M1T and M4OHN use.

If you stop using M4OHN and then only use M5AA pre workout you may be in a kind of PCT limbo. Having said that, if higher DHT is of concern you may want to stick with the original plan. As these compounds are so new there's definitely a lot of guesswork going on here.

Whatever approach you choose, keep us updated. I'm interested in your results.

 

[Pirate!]

If you run T3 @ 75 mcg until the end of your cycle, expect to get fat quick post-cycle. I'd either cut the T3 out, or run small doses on cycle and save the clen for pct.

 

[redspy]

If you run T3 @ 75 mcg until the end of your cycle, expect to get fat quick post-cycle. I'd either cut the T3 out, or run small doses on cycle and save the clen for pct.

After I finished my Trimax cycle I increased my calories (particularly carbs), took ErgoLean MC and increased cardio. I didn't experience any weight gain.

 

[Pirate!]

Yeah, Ergolean is one of my personal favs. I'm not sure Trimax packs the punch of 75 mcg of T3, plus I think you ran a relatively short cycle, redpsy. Am I right? Looks like he is considering 6 weeks. I haven't used either T3 or Trimax, so I am just going by what I have read.

 

[redspy]

Yeah, Ergolean is one of my personal favs. I'm not sure Trimax packs the punch of 75 mcg of T3, plus I think you ran a relatively short cycle, redpsy. Am I right? Looks like he is considering 6 weeks. I haven't used either T3 or Trimax, so I am just going by what I have read.

My Trimax cycle was three weeks @ 4mg ED, without androgens. Probably not quite as potent as 75mcg of T3, but if you ran the PH/PS for two weeks before the T3 as we discussed above, it shouldn't lead to post cycle fat gain, assuming you taper off the T3 correctly.

 

[Pirate!]

Right. My point was that at 75 mcg ED until the end of the cycle (4-6 weeks) there would be rebound. A taper would certainly help. I do think clen would be best used atleast some during PCT. If Keto is being used in abundance, than maybe he could use Clen during both phases. If I had to choose it one way, I would do the T3 with the androgens and clen while coming off the T3 and during the first few weeks of PCT. Just my preference though. Who is the dork on your avatar?

 

[redspy]

Who is the dork on your avatar?

That's Ali G, you cheeky bastard. The funniest thing on HBO

http://www.hbo.com/alig/

I found out Mudge is a big fan too.

 

[redspy]

I do think clen would be best used atleast some during PCT.

Agreed. It's personal preference, but I always view it as a PCT tool.

 

[Pirate!]