Which would produce the better results?

[biggfly]

Diet is on...lifting is on point, PCT in order. Not a first timer, had done the old Ergo 1-AD/4-AD stack few years ago. JUst looking to see an opinion on the one that may produce the better results.

1) CEL Halo-50/E-stane 5 weeks
2)CEL Halo-50/Havoc 5 weeks
3)Tren/E-stane 5 wks
4)Tren/Havoc 5 weeks

I know Havoc and E-stane are the same(at least in theory). Any difference at all or preference by anybody on one or the other of these 2? Not looking for huge mass gains, thus the stack with 2 dry supps in them. Just seeing if anyone like the possibilities of one of these over the other.

 

[zombul]

If your wanting some size and strength I personally would go with one of the Halo combo's.

 

[biggfly]

WOuld it matter if it were with the Havoc or E-stane?? Seems I have heard or read on here that the Havoc has wreaked a little more chaos on people such as hairloss etc. than say the E-stane or Epistane?? Is the Havoc ANY different at all?? Thanks.

 

[ZECH]

No, they are exactly the same.....Havoc(trade name) is epistane(chemical name)
I just got some CEL e-stane from sbmuscle
Competitive Edge Labs E-Stane 90 caps

 

[workingatit43]

I would go with option 3 or 4 the first 2 would be double methyls noyt the best combo's to run.

 

[gymfreak2]

thats exactly what i was thinking. both PHs will be methylated. what wud be the best option to stack with epistane/havoc?

 

[gymfreak2]

how abt bold? its mild. but the recommended cycle for bold is 6-8 weeks whereas for epistane its 4 weeks.
my goal is to go for a mass gaining cycle.

 

[zombul]

Bold ran at 600mg a day is very effective.

 

[ZECH]

IFORCE BOLD.......
iForce Nutrition 1,4 AD Bold 200

 

[gymfreak2]

i weight 170 lb, 5' 11" at around 10% bf. wud it be a good idea to go for 600 mg at my weight?

 

[gymfreak2]

so u think stacking epistane n bold wud be a good idea? i was thinking of 6-8 weeks of bold n 4 weeks of epistane. 2-4 weeks to bold alone first n then 4 weeks of bold n epistane together. along with cycle suport.
what abt pct? i was thinking of a serm. nolva at 20 mg for 4 weeks? do u think i should also use clomid for the first 2 weeks? if yes, at what dosage? or nolva alone will get the job done? will there be a need for a test booster along with the serm? for instance, testabolan or post cycle support?

thanks