Why do you use steroids?

[juggernaut]

thanks for the boost.

 

[Steele20]

if someone picked a fight with me, id just take out my butterfly nife and stab them... Don't care how many steriods you're on

 

[juggernaut]

if someone picked a fight with me, id just take out my butterfly nife and stab them... Don't care how many steriods you're on

wow. you're cool.
If he comes at you with a gun, WTF do you do then genius?

 

[kicka19]

So kika, you are saying in hypothetical fight between two clones of me, one having put on 20 ibs of muscle and being able to bench 100k more than the non-steroid clone, It would be a draw?
With respect, you are speaking bollocks mate! The "roid" clone would be harder!
He could punch harder, wrestle the weaker clone easier and the weaker clone would be more scared of the bigger clone and perhaps run away, avoiding the clone fight completely. I would put money on the bigger clone being a better fighter.
I know the old "its not the size of the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the dog" addage does have some truth, but both dogs would be harder if they did steroids.

Im not being a dick here, It just makes sense to me.
I dont do steroids for fighting!!!!!! But they help

take steroids to get bigger, take fighting classes to be a better fighter

 

[madmartigan]

That makes sense, but you misunderstood my point.

 

[GFR]

take steroids to get bigger, take fighting classes to be a better fighter

Exactly that is why a tiny 6'4'' 230lb Boxer will always destroy a 6'4'' 320lb Bodybuilder in one round. The best guys to fight are the Bodybuilder types, they have no skill and think punching power comes from big strong muscles.

 

[largepkg]

Exactly that is why a tiny 6'4'' 230lb Boxer will always destroy a 6'4'' 320lb Bodybuilder in one round. The best guys to fight are the Bodybuilder types, they have no skill and think punching power comes from big strong muscles.

I completely agree with you as long as they're inside the ring. In a street fight all bets are off. I doubt the BB will just stand there and let the boxer tear him apart. If he's smart he'll take it to the ground.

Who knows who would win, it's just an observation.

 

[ZorroAzul]

I've practiced combat martial arts for over 15 years, travelled in Asia extensively and lived in Tokyo for a couple of months.

many times in our Dojo we get new guys. Sometimes scary big, but even they are surprised how easily they get thrown around like a rag doll by the more experienced practitioners.

Between two untrained fighters, the stronger one will usually win a duke-it-out fight. But I never want to be in that, I do not want to "out-punch" anyone because that means I get punched too, just not as much!
Balance, timing and strike positioning mean everything. I'll admit it took a while to lose the "fear" to bigger dudes, but with practice you build confidence.( I am regular size, 6'1 200 lbs)

By the same token, I've met many tiny, puny, older men (mostly in Japan) who I would be terrified to ever have to fight, in fact i'd run away!!

And do not compare real fighting to "cage", UFC" "Pride" etc. that is not real fighting. On the street all bets are off. first of all it is usually never 1-on-1, chances are someone is intoxicated, friends, weapons (a bottle, even a key, or coins thrown in face), eye gouging, etc.etc....

like kicka said, steroids to get big, fighing classes to fight. I've never been in a fight, and I 'd like to ALWAYS keep it that way, remember the best fighter is the one who wins without drawing the sword.

 

[GFR]

I completely agree with you as long as they're inside the ring. In a street fight all bets are off. I doubt the BB will just stand there and let the boxer tear him apart. If he's smart he'll take it to the ground.

Who knows who would win, it's just an observation.

A big MMA guy whould rule in a street fight most of the time but a bodybuilder would get KO'd by any trained fighter quick.

 

[juggernaut]

ok....heres the situation, remembering one thing: we live in really wacky world. Chuck Norris, Van Damme and the rest do know there stuff. But if I guy pulls a Craig Titus and goes postal, none of this martial arts stuff is going to make a damn bit of difference. Plus, if you got a gun, all bets are off. I have to see anyone except Superman outrun a bullet.

 

[ZorroAzul]

Juggernaut, maybe you live in compton but where I am from not all fights end up in a shootout. In fact, none of them.

And if you think that a massive bodybuilder will beat a trained fighter you are so wrong! just watch TV and you will see the little men, with not so great looking bodies beating repeatedly the monster-size and ripped fighters.

 

[PWGriffin]

Exactly that is why a tiny 6'4'' 230lb Boxer will always destroy a 6'4'' 320lb Bodybuilder in one round. The best guys to fight are the Bodybuilder types, they have no skill and think punching power comes from big strong muscles.

What about a 230lb boxer vs a 320lb boxer?? That's the whole point MM was trying to make...given that all things are equal except size. Punching power doesn't all come from big muscles BUT....force= mass x acceleration. Heavy hands and strong legs make for a powerful striker.

How many trained fighters get into drunken bar fights downtown at 2 am?? Not that many. Why?? Because trained fighters are more calm, especially in tense situations, BECAUSE of their training, and they usually don't go looking for fights either...fear of confrontation is the first thing to go when you start training, this alone makes for a better fighter. My MMA instructor hasn't been in a fight (outside the ring) in over a decade either...and he bartends at a pretty rough bar on saturday nights and is all over the place the rest of the week.

I NEVER see the guys I train with out on the town...and rarely do I see the boxers that fight at the club I frequent.

 

[PWGriffin]

ok....heres the situation, remembering one thing: we live in really wacky world. Chuck Norris, Van Damme and the rest do know there stuff. But if I guy pulls a Craig Titus and goes postal, none of this martial arts stuff is going to make a damn bit of difference. Plus, if you got a gun, all bets are off. I have to see anyone except Superman outrun a bullet.

If I'm within arms reach of a person with a gun and I got a knife....I win, as long as I see him pull it...My instructor wouldn't even need the knife.

 

[GFR]

What about a 230lb boxer vs a 320lb boxer?? That's the whole point MM was trying to make...given that all things are equal except size. Punching power doesn't all come from big muscles BUT....force= mass x acceleration. Heavy hands and strong legs make for a powerful striker.

How many trained fighters get into drunken bar fights downtown at 2 am?? Not that many. Why?? Because trained fighters are more calm, especially in tense situations, BECAUSE of their training, and they usually don't go looking for fights either...fear of confrontation is the first thing to go when you start training, this alone makes for a better fighter. My MMA instructor hasn't been in a fight (outside the ring) in over a decade either...and he bartends at a pretty rough bar on saturday nights and is all over the place the rest of the week.

I NEVER see the guys I train with out on the town...and rarely do I see the boxers that fight at the club I frequent.

Many power punchers are not strong, punching skill and the ability to hit clean are of more worth than a big bench, squat ar deadlift,

 

[PWGriffin]

Many power punchers are not strong, punching skill and the ability to hit clean are of more worth than a big bench, squat ar deadlift,

Based on my own limited experience, I somewhat disagree....many of the fighters I've met and trained with are strong...just not BIG. Most who want to fight professionally train for functional strength or muscular endurance...not muscular hypertrophy.

Also a bigger guy has a MUCH greater advantage on the ground...breaking guard is ESPECIALLY easier if you have a big size advantage...I had to train with a huge motherfucker when I first started because we were both new and since we were new we did all jujitsu the first day and I couldn't even lock my legs around him...that and the fact that he could staple and pass my guard even easier because of this...getting into a dominant position was too easy.

This is why we have weight classes...

 

[GFR]

Based on my own limited experience, I somewhat disagree....many of the fighters I've met and trained with are strong...just not BIG. Most who want to fight professionally train for functional strength or muscular endurance...not muscular hypertrophy.

Also a bigger guy has a MUCH greater advantage on the ground...breaking guard is ESPECIALLY easier if you have a big size advantage...I had to train with a huge motherfucker when I first started because we were both new and since we were new we did all jujitsu the first day and I couldn't even lock my legs around him...that and the fact that he could staple and pass my guard even easier because of this...getting into a dominant position was too easy.

This is why we have weight classes...

Not really, just pure size is an advantage in the ring. You can't have a 5'5' guy fighting a 6'6'' guy in boxing...plus if your 200 and I'm 150 you can lean on me and push me around the entire fight wearing me down.....much more to fighting then just punching .

Plus punching a 200+ guy takes more out of you then punching a 150lb guy...just the weight of them makes you have to work harder if your small.

 

[juggernaut]

Juggernaut, maybe you live in compton but where I am from not all fights end up in a shootout. In fact, none of them.

And if you think that a massive bodybuilder will beat a trained fighter you are so wrong! just watch TV and you will see the little men, with not so great looking bodies beating repeatedly the monster-size and ripped fighters.

I never said that a huge bodybuilder can or could beat the snot out of someone smaller. In fact, I didnt say that at all. All I said is that you can know martial arts etc, and be beaten by a little gun.

 

[ZorroAzul]

This is why we have weight classes...

There are no weight classes on the street. a guard (as in jiu-jitsu) only works on a tatami, 1-on1.

would you get in a guard at a bar??? not unless you like getting your head stepped on by your opponnents friends.

Again, do not confuses SPORT martial arts with COMBAT.

and never get in fights unless to defend your life or a loved one.

 

[PWGriffin]

There are no weight classes on the street. a guard (as in jiu-jitsu) only works on a tatami, 1-on1.

would you get in a guard at a bar??? not unless you like getting your head stepped on by your opponnents friends.

Again, do not confuses SPORT martial arts with COMBAT.

and never get in fights unless to defend your life or a loved one.

The original comment was that by being bigger than he normally would, he would fair better in a fight. Someone else brought up boxing and MMA.

No, I wouldn't purposely go into guard at a bar....I don't fight in bars anyway...but most fights whether on purpose or by accident, end up on the ground...IF I was to fall or get tackled and have to take guard I at least know how to A) not get mounted or B) just get up...it's not hard to get out of guard if ur guard hasn't been passed or broken...

And I agree about protecting urself or a loved one 100000% I don't exactly avoid confrontation but I usually never have a problem with somebody. I also go out alot and have gotten to know the bouncers, bartenders, and managers at the clubs in my area, so if somebody was to start something they would be thrown out immediately.

 

[PWGriffin]

Not really, just pure size is an advantage in the ring. You can't have a 5'5' guy fighting a 6'6'' guy in boxing...plus if your 200 and I'm 150 you can lean on me and push me around the entire fight wearing me down.....much more to fighting then just punching .

Plus punching a 200+ guy takes more out of you then punching a 150lb guy...just the weight of them makes you have to work harder if your small.

You're exactly right...but wouldn't this be the same in a street fight....pure size being an advantage?? It IS an advantage...but if someone is trained or knows how to fight then that is a greater advantage...I'm not disputing that.

 

[juggernaut]

this is getting way too lame for me to go on with. Lets talk about something that matter:
Who can beat who: Batman or Aquaman?

 

[brollickby06]

batman!

 

[FullGo]

i use steroids simply because i can

 

[PWGriffin]

this is getting way too lame for me to go on with. Lets talk about something that matter:
Who can beat who: Batman or Aquaman?

PrepTime Batman owns all in the comic book universe....even pre crisis superman...

But macguiver owns batman for free. He has accelerated prep time.