Why is deca a bad first cycle?

[jasone]

Where do you dig up this assbaggery? The vets of the forums speak from personal experience, while your knowledge is limited to how much someone complains about not being able to get their dick hard while on deca. If someone has run nothing but a deca only cycle, of course they say it was successful. They haven't used the most powerful compound there is, TEST.
When I was in middle school, I thought handjobs were the best thing in the world, now I think they are a waste of time unless they are stacked with some sex. See what I mean?

Handjobs are good and you will not contract a std?
Sex is great but you better see a doctor if you aren't careful.

So have your "vets" on the forum ever tried a deca only cycle? Whom here have tried a deca only cycle? Have you ever tried a deca only cycle? Do you know anyone who has? What personal knowledge of a deca only cycle do you have?
Of course you having prior knowledge that deca only was a bad idea in the first place kept you from experiencing a deca only cycle. So now you don't know from personal experience. And you encourage conservative beginners to take a stronger substance that might have higher health risk.

I know satisfied people with deca only cycles.
Do you know unsatisfied people from deca only cycles?

Im not upset sir. I just want to know from your personal experience of deca only cycle because I value your opinion despite you calling me an assbaggery digger upper. I have limited knowledge on this subject. I like to play devils advocate and stir up debate and learn. Deca only might not compare to test in the eyes of more extreme lifters, but from what I have seen from an advanced trainer who healed a torn rotator cuff while packing on 10 lbs of lean muscle in eight weeks with no sides, I'm impressed with deca. It was his first in 25 years of bodybuilding. Something went right.
What's your story?
Anyone else have stories?

 

[luke69duke69]

that's a great analogy...

 

[gococksDJS]

So have your "vets" on the forum ever tried a deca only cycle? Whom here have tried a deca only cycle? Have you ever tried a deca only cycle? Do you know anyone who has? What personal knowledge of a deca only cycle do you have?
Of course you having prior knowledge that deca only was a bad idea in the first place kept you from experiencing a deca only cycle. So now you don't know from personal experience. And you encourage conservative beginners to take a stronger substance that might have higher health risk.

I know satisfied people with deca only cycles.
Do you know unsatisfied people from deca only cycles?

Im not upset sir. I just want to know from your personal experience of deca only cycle because I value your opinion despite you calling me an assbaggery digger upper. I have limited knowledge on this subject. I like to play devils advocate and stir up debate and learn. Deca only might not compare to test in the eyes of more extreme lifters, but from what I have seen from an advanced trainer who healed a torn rotator cuff while packing on 10 lbs of lean muscle in eight weeks with no sides, I'm impressed with deca. It was his first in 25 years of bodybuilding. Something went right.
What's your story?
Anyone else have stories?

I guess in some ways you are right. There is no how to book for anabolic use. It's not like changing the oil in your car. Everyone reacts differently to these drugs. I am speaking from a physiological standpoint, based on the mechanisms of the human body. Deca affects your HPTA more harshly than testosterone and with less payoff. It is harder to restore your natural testosterone levels after a deca only cycle than a test only cycle due to, in part, the possibility of de and re-esterfication of deca, meaning the drug remains in your system longer, so the period between when you stop using the drug, and when your HPTA is able to recover from its "hybernation" and restore your natural testosterone levels is longer, and that is a longer period of time that your body just can not anabolically support the musclemass you have gained, meaning it is harder to keep the gains from deca than test.

It's kind of like taking a fish out of water. Your fish is named Deca fish, and mine is Test fish. We both take our fishies out of the bowl at the same time, but I put mine back after 1 minute and you after 3 minutes. Now Test fish has been deprived of a certain necessity(testosterone in this case) for only a third of the time Deca fish has, so which one is more likely to live (sustain muscle in this case) ? Do you see what I'm saying?

One Fish. Two Fish. Test Fish. Blue Fish

 

[luke69duke69]

I haven't tried it first hand but from reading some experiences on here, as well as some other sites, that deca gains are supposed to be more keepable gains. Again not posting from experience, but from reading other's experience was why I was planning that for my own cycle.

 

[jasone]

Anyone else have experiences with a deca only cycle. I will keep bumping this thread. What are good articles to address the test vs deca question. Thanks

 

[gococksDJS]

Anyone else have experiences with a deca only cycle. I will keep bumping this thread. What are good articles to address the test vs deca question. Thanks

The fish analogy is all you need.

 

[GFR]

was going to end my Test/Deca cycle after 7 weeks...............but I will now do the last 2 weeks of the cycle as Deca only.....900mg per week...
I will let you know how it goes....

 

[jasone]

was going to end my Test/Deca cycle after 7 weeks...............but I will now do the last 2 weeks of the cycle as Deca only.....900mg per week...
I will let you know how it goes....

Thanks,
It will be interesting to see how this affects muscle hardness. From what I understand deca promotes a harder more dense muscle. Might be a good idea at the end of a cycle for cutting. Keep us posted on the post recovery if you could. Me and gococksDJS are comparing deca fish to test fish. My guess is that post recovery will be about the same despite the longer traces found in deca cycles. Although traces of deca can be found in the system up to 9 months, I don't know that it is enough to affect natural test levels. That's the debate regarding deca only cycles. From what I hear, after 3 weeks the water sheds and you look much leaner and harder.

 

[GFR]

Thanks,
It will be interesting to see how this affects muscle hardness. From what I understand deca promotes a harder more dense muscle. Might be a good idea at the end of a cycle for cutting. Keep us posted on the post recovery if you could. Me and gococksDJS are comparing deca fish to test fish. My guess is that post recovery will be about the same despite the longer traces found in deca cycles. Although traces of deca can be found in the system up to 9 months, I don't know that it is enough to affect natural test levels. That's the debate regarding deca only cycles. From what I hear, after 3 weeks the water sheds and you look much leaner and harder.

I listen to very few here about steroid use.....I have done all the cycles they preach against......and most of them have never done anything but the status quo........when a person here does 20-30 cycles over 10-15 years and mixes it up.......then I will listen to them.......most here have done shit.......or 2 or 3 cycles......and the samse shit every time......

When a person here does a 2 or 4 or 6 week cycle with long esters.....
or a all EQ or Deca cycle..................and can explain why it sucked then I will listen....
So far all I hear is the excrement from the latest books of the day....
Pathetic.

 

[gococksDJS]

I listen to very few here about steroid use.....I have done all the cycles they preach against......and most of them have never done anything but the status quo........when a person here does 20-30 cycles over 10-15 years and mixes it up.......then I will listen to them.......most here have done shit.......or 2 or 3 cycles......and the samse shit every time......

When a person here does a 2 or 4 or 6 week cycle with long esters.....
or a all EQ or Deca cycle..................and can explain why it sucked then I will listen....
So far all I hear is the excrement from the latest books of the day....
Pathetic.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions foreman...

 

[jasone]

I couldn't tell if Foremans post was an insult or a supporting statement. What I know comes from articles and trainers in the field of bodybuilding. It all contradicts each other.
Those I know whom have experienced success with deca only cycles say that the results come from the estrogen effects, not from dht derived from test. Apparently estrogen is as powerful as test when it comes to making gains. It has something to do with growth hormone I think. The idea that deca is a long ester might be why it is viewed a successful in some circles. The notion that only testosterone promotes growth may be why deca is getting a bad rep. But deca which is a type of test works off of a totally different principle than test, which is estrogen. That might explain post cycle success for those who claim it. That extra estrogen floating around the body could be a good thing for some people. But what do I know? I'm just a retard.

I just got my body fat check done last week. I weighed 194 in July at 21% and now weigh 200 at 17% with no drugs. Had I taken juice back in July I might have thought the success were from steroids. Then I would have thought I were some kind of expert on deca because of my success. Sometimes we just grow naturally. I just wonder what It would feel like sometimes to experience what you guys have with drugs. The stuff scares the hell out of me because of the contradicting statements found in articles and books.

 

[GFR]

I couldn't tell if Foremans post was an insult or a supporting statement. What I know comes from articles and trainers in the field of bodybuilding. It all contradicts each other.
Those I know whom have experienced success with deca only cycles say that the results come from the estrogen effects, not from dht derived from test. Apparently estrogen is as powerful as test when it comes to making gains. It has something to do with growth hormone I think. The idea that deca is a long ester might be why it is viewed a successful in some circles. The notion that only testosterone promotes growth may be why deca is getting a bad rep. But deca which is a type of test works off of a totally different principle than test, which is estrogen. That might explain post cycle success for those who claim it. That extra estrogen floating around the body could be a good thing for some people. But what do I know? I'm just a retard.

I just got my body fat check done last week. I weighed 194 in July at 21% and now weigh 200 at 17% with no drugs. Had I taken juice back in July I might have thought the success were from steroids. Then I would have thought I were some kind of expert on deca because of my success. Sometimes we just grow naturally. I just wonder what It would feel like sometimes to experience what you guys have with drugs. The stuff scares the hell out of me because of the contradicting statements found in articles and books.

My post was intended only to insult the kids who post all kinds of advise and yet they have never used steroids at all....or they have done 1 or 2 cycles....

I think guys like Lam, Mudge, Tough, dg806 and Gococks.....and some others know more than I do and I always read their opinions and usually learn something...

 

[gococksDJS]

Foreman, check your PMs

 

[jasone]

was going to end my Test/Deca cycle after 7 weeks...............but I will now do the last 2 weeks of the cycle as Deca only.....900mg per week...
I will let you know how it goes....

Well, how did it go Foreman?

 

[luke69duke69]

Foreman, did you already run that cycle? I'm curious how running the Deca only at the end worked for ya, especially cuz of it being bass akwards from the norm.

 

[ag-guys]

I'm just curious, why is deca a poor first cycle? Why is test better?

Also (obviously I know very little about gear) what is IMO?

too many sides I would guess

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[Tough Old Man]

but from what I have seen from an advanced trainer who healed a torn rotator cuff while packing on 10 lbs of lean muscle in eight weeks with no sides, I'm impressed with deca. It was his first in 25 years of bodybuilding. Something went right.
What's your story?
Anyone else have stories?

You and your friends are so full of shit. Deca will retain water and this is what helps with lubing the joints. This in return helps with pain. Now I have a torn left Rotator cuff and deca didn't do shit to help it , neverless do it in 8 weeks.

you get a torn rotator cuff and you aren't packing on no extra muscle. These tears take your strength and the amount of weight you could previously do into the shitter. Now I know first hand cause I fucking have a torn rotator cuff and I ended up losing LBM while on gear because of the tear and the amount of weight I could no longer do. So Fuck off

Tough

 

[Pirate!]

You have done 700mg of tren per week
what did you stack it with....and at what dose....

I'm a bit late with my response, but I did 100 mg tren ace ED for a week in the middle of a prop/npp/proviron cycle. I stoped the npp for that week and kept my prop dose low. My libido was great, but I felt like howling at the moon sometimes. I was more aggressive in general, and the smell of my girlfriend's period blood acutally turned me on, making me more aggressive in bed. I also ended that cycle with a few weeks off prop/tren/proviron/T3/clen, but I was only doing about 75 mg tren ED at that point. I look forward to doing tren again soon.

 

[pengers84]

I listen to very few here about steroid use.....I have done all the cycles they preach against......and most of them have never done anything but the status quo........when a person here does 20-30 cycles over 10-15 years and mixes it up.......then I will listen to them.......most here have done shit.......or 2 or 3 cycles......and the samse shit every time......

When a person here does a 2 or 4 or 6 week cycle with long esters.....
or a all EQ or Deca cycle..................and can explain why it sucked then I will listen....
So far all I hear is the excrement from the latest books of the day....
Pathetic.

foreman, have you ever done EQ only cycle? If so, how did it go?

 

[jasone]

You and your friends are so full of shit. Deca will retain water and this is what helps with lubing the joints. This in return helps with pain. Now I have a torn left Rotator cuff and deca didn't do shit to help it , neverless do it in 8 weeks.

you get a torn rotator cuff and you aren't packing on no extra muscle. These tears take your strength and the amount of weight you could previously do into the shitter. Now I know first hand cause I fucking have a torn rotator cuff and I ended up losing LBM while on gear because of the tear and the amount of weight I could no longer do. So Fuck off

Tough

Hey old fuck, have you ever heard of nitrogen retention. Deca does this you know. It's simple, nitrogen retention grows muscle, most steroids do this. Some are more potent than others. Test is not for me, I will not risk the dht side effects. The estrogenic effects of deca are a positive thing at respectable levels without the worry of hair loss and prostate problems.
Some retards will take deca and go 100% with a power-lifting routine while injured. This is a bad idea for healthy lifters much less the injured. Steroids have to be respected to be effective. Working full intensity with an injury on gear is plain stupid, I can't believe you did this.

I really don't give a shit about your advice, life, experiences, etc, anyway. I don't even waste my time reading your post anymore. All you do is try to come up with ways to contradict others on this forum and insult people who propose not so popular ideas. If you knew the people I got my advice from and the mark they have made in bodybuilding you would shit.

You have probably been on many cycles at your age and a 400 mg dose of deca will do nothing for you. I have never taken a drug in my life so 400 mgs a week will be well tolerated and effective. There are those who will take 1000+ mgs a week, they might have problems with deca dick and post recovery. I have yet to hear of this problem at under 400 mgs per wk.

I'm just trying to pass on what I have seen and investigate all possible arguments before making a decision. I am also here to check on Mr. Foremans deca only experience so piss off wrinkles.

 

[Tough Old Man]

. I'm just trying to pass on what I have seen and investigate all possible arguments before making a decision. I am also here to check on Mr. Foremans deca only experience so piss off wrinkles.

And I'm passing on a fact to everyone here. Fucking test, deca, Eq, tren and all the fucking gear you can think of is not going to help a torn rotator cuff.

Go ahead and tear one and then tell me your strength doesn't go down the shitter neverless gain 10 lbs of muscle. I'll say it again, Your full of shit. Now I know the above is not going to happen cause I'm living proof of it not something someone told me.

You tear a cuff and your looking at surgery not anabolics. Simple as that.

 

[luke69duke69]

Nitrogen retention is great for a muscle that's actually attached to a tendon

 

[jasone]

Someone here speaks as if I have a torn rotator cuff. I'm healthy, the person I speak of made gains on his first cycle while babying his shoulder. His total gain was 8 lbs after the water left instead of 10 by the way. It's a steroid, thats what steroids do. Test or winny would probably not be a wise choice for helping an injury.
Still looking for a response from Foreman about his deca only experience.
later.

 

[GFR]

Well, how did it go Foreman?

Did it for 8 weeks ( 400mg test and 450 Deca...T-3 50-75mcg) it went well......did get some Deca dick but I'm old now......lost 15 lbs of fat and put on about 15 in muscle.....so not bad considering I was starving the entire cycle.....and all my lifts went up big time.

 

[GFR]

Foreman, did you already run that cycle? I'm curious how running the Deca only at the end worked for ya, especially cuz of it being bass akwards from the norm.

I only did the Deca only the last week.......and it was a bad idea.....if you know what I'm talking about

 

[GFR]

foreman, have you ever done EQ only cycle? If so, how did it go?

No, never