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[devildog88]

Oooo Rah!

THE MARINE
By Corporal Aaron M. Gilbert, US Marine, USS SAIPAN, PERSIAN GULF

We all came together,
Both young and old.
To fight for our freedom,
To stand and be bold.
In the midst of all evil,
We stand our ground,
And we protect our country
From all terror around.
Peace and not war,
Is what some people say.
But I'll give my life,
So you can live the American way.
I give you the right
To talk of your peace.
To stand in your groups,
and protest in our streets.
But still I fight on,
I don't bitch, I don't whine.
I'm just one of the people
Who is doing your time.
I'm harder than nails,
Stronger than any machine.
I'm the immortal soldier,
I'm a US MARINE!
So stand in my shoes,
And leave from your home.
Fight for the people who hate you,
With the protests they've shown.
Fight for the stranger,
Fight for the young.
So they all may have,
The greatest freedom you've won.
Fight for the sick,
Fight for the poor.
Fight for the cripple,
Who lives next door.
But when your time comes,
Do what I've done.
For if you stand up for freedom,
You'll stand when the fight's done.

 

[ALBOB]

if you hate it so much, leave the country you hypocritical piece of trash.

He already did.

 

[busyLivin]

He already did.

no, he's now infested my city!

 

[maxpro2]

He already did.

Location: Chicago

Home in Chicago.

 

[JordanMang]

Jarhed:

Why did all these people die?


Because the U.S. likes bombing the sh*t out of countries and killing people.

Azzholes like you that are in Iraq.

Whenever a U.S. helicopter goes down, I celebrate.

Same with road-side bombs and snipers.

Wow, I've never really been "angered" persay by anything over the internet, but I don't know how to respond to this. If anyone every said this around me I'd beat the shit out of them on the spot - no questions asked, I'd just start swinging. You need to get your priorities straight. I don't want to kill Iraqi people, and no one here has said they want to so stop putting words in our mouth you stupid ignorant piece of shit.

 

[goandykid]

Do you consider yourself an American Snafu?



Also, I don't think portraying the marines or any military as a one-minded iraqi hating group is very smart.

I just took my Asvab's last month and I am enlisting after next school year, yet I am against the was in Iraq.

Should I die for that Snafu?

 

[goandykid]

Wow, I've never really been "angered" persay by anything over the internet, but I don't know how to respond to this. If anyone every said this around me I'd beat the shit out of them on the spot - no questions asked, I'd just start swinging. You need to get your priorities straight. I don't want to kill Iraqi people, and no one here has said they want to so stop putting words in our mouth you stupid ignorant piece of shit.

I thought your earlier post about people being against the war to fit in was fucking retarded...but this post was 100% on point.

 

[KelJu]

one of the most ignorant comments I've read yet... look man, be against the war all you want, that's one of the many beauties of this country, but stop being such a whiny bitch about it. Your boss yelled at you and everyone lost respect for you, you wanna see those guys now... whatever, we get the point, you're not going to change anyone's opinion...

How is my opinion whiny? Because, you don't agree with it? I don't whine, I simply state my opinion. I have the balls to stand up and state my opinion even when it isn???t popular.
I don't have to change anyone's opinion, because Bush already did that for me. His approval rating is in the dirt, and most of the country and the world is asking the questions, "What the fuck is going on?" ???Where is Bin Laden???? ???Where are the weapons???? ???Where are the fucking weapons????

And I will say it again, anyone that goes against their principles for the sake of orders are fucking pussies. I am sure that many of Hitler???s solders were only taking orders. I am sure Stalin???s solders were only taking orders. In their mind, they were just doing their duty for their country. But, our country called them "evil". Then what the fuck are we now?

At what point do you grow a pair, and do what you believe is right, instead of what is popular, or what is ordered by your commanding officer?
But, you are right in that I can???t change your opinion. So be a good little slave and do what your government tells you to. I would love to know what the history books tell about the USA one day, if humanity is even around long enough.

 

[goandykid]

How is my opinion whiny? Because, you don't agree with it? I don't whine, I simply state my opinion. I have the balls to stand up and state my opinion even when it isn???t popular.
I don't have to change anyone's opinion, because Bush already did that for me. His approval rating is in the dirt, and most of the country and the world is asking the questions, "What the fuck is going on?" ???Where is Bin Laden???? ???Where are the weapons???? ???Where are the fucking weapons????

And I will say it again, anyone that goes against their principles for the sake of orders are fucking pussies. I am sure that many of Hitler???s solders were only taking orders. I am sure Stalin???s solders were only taking orders. In their mind, they were just doing their duty for their country. But, our country called them "evil". Then what the fuck are we now?

At what point do you grow a pair, and do what you believe is right, instead of what is popular, or what is ordered by your commanding officer?
But, you are right in that I can???t change your opinion. So be a good little slave and do what your government tells you to. I would love to know what the history books tell about the USA one day, if humanity is even around long enough.

My Grandfather called of an air strike on what turned out to be an elementary school during the Korean War. He was a pilot, not a shot-caller.

 

[JordanMang]

Right, but we have to live by our own morale standards ( just as Hitler or Stalin's troups did ) and that's exactly what our soldiers in Iraq are doing. If they didn't want to or objected to it then they'd refuse their orders and come home. How many people are in the army at this moment who don't suppor this war? 0 - why? Cause they wouldn't be in this war if they weren't. I can understand condeming the war, I can understand condeming president Bush and his goverment, but if you're going to question the morales of guys who are in the middle east right now ( and even more so call them a "pussy" ) then you need to re-think or re-phrase what you're trying to say. I don't think this war was a good idea, and I don't think President Bush has been the president he could have and should have been - but at this point we have 2 choices as American citizens ( well I don't since I don't count cause I'm not 18 ) and that is to deal with what's happening or impeach; which I don't think is to far away from happening. President Bush is an idiot - I agree, but don't talk about the men and women who are over their right now praying to God their Hummer doesn't hit a mine.

 

[goandykid]

How many people are in the army at this moment who don't suppor this war? 0 - why? Cause they wouldn't be in this war if they weren't.

Not true. Read up, and didn't the majority of the military proxy votes go to Kerry in 04?

 

[KelJu]

My Grandfather called of an air strike on what turned out to be an elementary school during the Korean War. He was a pilot, not a shot-caller.

Your grandfather sounds like a great man, and a great defender of not only his country, but also what good is left in the world.

 

[goandykid]

Your grandfather sounds like a great man, and a great defender of not only his country, but also what good is left in the world.

Thank you, he is one of the driving forces in my enlistment. And I'm against the war Jordan.

 

[KelJu]

Right, but we have to live by our own morale standards ( just as Hitler or Stalin's troups did ) and that's exactly what our soldiers in Iraq are doing. If they didn't want to or objected to it then they'd refuse their orders and come home. How many people are in the army at this moment who don't suppor this war? 0 - why? Cause they wouldn't be in this war if they weren't. I can understand condeming the war, I can understand condeming president Bush and his goverment, but if you're going to question the morales of guys who are in the middle east right now ( and even more so call them a "pussy" ) then you need to re-think or re-phrase what you're trying to say. I don't think this war was a good idea, and I don't think President Bush has been the president he could have and should have been - but at this point we have 2 choices as American citizens ( well I don't since I don't count cause I'm not 18 ) and that is to deal with what's happening or impeach; which I don't think is to far away from happening. President Bush is an idiot - I agree, but don't talk about the men and women who are over their right now praying to God their Hummer doesn't hit a mine.

Read my post again, and you will see that I never called any person or person's a pussy. My comment is directed toward anyone who fills the description. The description is this:
Anyone that does something for the sake of "orders" when they know in their heart that the thing they are doing is evil.
I am not talking about anyone that serves. You can serve without supporting the war, and still hold on to your principles.

If a pilot drops a bomb on a city mostly made up of people who don't give a shit about the war, and are just trying to survive just to kill a handful of terrorist, yet they know this and are afraid to violate a direct order. Then I would consider them to be gutless worthless pussy.

It isn't just our troops today, and it isn't just Bush.
The US hasn't fought a legitimate war since WWII.

I am not a cool-aid drinking hippie liberal. I understand the importance of defense, but there is a fucking criterion that must be fulfilled for me to accept that a war must be fought to preserve our survival.
The weak ass attack on 9/11 is a drop in the bucket compared to what we have done to them. They spit in our face, so we killed their dads, moms, children, dogs, cats, and goldfish.

To make it all worst I can't prove it, but I believe with my whole heart that Bush's war is nothing more than a ploy to take attention away from the fact that he fucked up. Every time the media begins to question him for stupid fucking decisions that he has made, he pulls this war on terror shit out of his ass to divert attention away from him.

 

[busyLivin]

The weak ass attack on 9/11 is a drop in the bucket compared to what we have done to them.

You're right.. we shouldn't have done anything. They would have been satisfied with killing 3,000 of us and left us alone. I wonder what tune you would be singing if one of your loved ones died in the WTC.

 

[goandykid]

You're right.. we shouldn't have done anything. They would have been satisfied with killing 3,000 of us and left us alone. I wonder what tune you would be singing if one of your loved ones died in the WTC.

Thats not what he's saying...

 

[section8]

Do it because they were ordered? Come on dude, I don't think you really believe that. What kind of fucking pussy does something that is against their principles for the sake of orders?

Would you kill a kid if you were ordered to?
Would you kill an innocent mother if you were ordered to?
Would you carpet bomb half of a city if you were ordered to?

If anyone answered yes to any of those, I hope they are ass raped with a steel spiked dildo for all of eternity!

Yeah I believe it, I served and I know what it means not to follow orders, and refusing to go to war b/c it is against your beliefs will get you in some deep shit and I work with the military everyday and I know that those guys follow their orders out to a T. It a different world when you are in the military my friend, and I respect where you are coming from, but its just not that simple to say "fuck this I don't believe in it, I'm standing down." Same goes with my father, he didn't think that we needed to be in Vietnam, but he was drafted and went and served admirably came home with a silver star & three bronze stars and served 4 more years. But he never agreed with the reason that we went.

 

[DOMS]

Do you consider yourself an American Snafu?



Also, I don't think portraying the marines or any military as a one-minded iraqi hating group is very smart.

I just took my Asvab's last month and I am enlisting after next school year, yet I am against the was in Iraq.

Should I die for that Snafu?

He later apologized for these remarks. He must have been having a bad day and wanted to press someone's button.

Let it go.

 

[goandykid]

He later apologized for these remarks. He must have been having a bad day and wanted to press someone's button.

Let it go.

I didnt see where he apologized but I'll drop it. Still, a bad day is no reason to say you welcome the deaths of Americans or even to suggest that you wouldn't mind it.

 

[DOMS]

If a pilot drops a bomb on a city mostly made up of people who don't give a shit about the war, and are just trying to survive just to kill a handful of terrorist,

Here your a little confused. The bombs that you're referring to were dropped during the actual war and were dropped on military targets that Saddam placed among civilians. Terrorist (insurgents, whatever) came afterwards.

 

[DOMS]

I didnt see where he apologized but I'll drop it. Still, a bad day is no reason to say you welcome the deaths of Americans or even to suggest that you wouldn't mind it.

Maybe he's bipolar or such. You just never know. He apologized so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[goandykid]

Here your a little confused. The bombs that you're referring to were dropped during the actual war and were dropped on military targets that Saddam placed among civilians. Terrorist (insurgents, whatever) came afterwards.

What about that banquet bombed recently where the terrorist honcho wasn't even there?

 

[DOMS]

What about that banquet bombed recently where the terrorist honcho wasn't even there?

Bad intel. It happens.

I had the impression that he was referring to the bombing campaign early in the war.

 

[goandykid]

Bad intel. It happens.

I had the impression that he was referring to the bombing campaign early in the war.

Maybe, I thought he was referencing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but I agree w/ those.

 

[KelJu]

You're right.. we shouldn't have done anything. They would have been satisfied with killing 3,000 of us and left us alone. I wonder what tune you would be singing if one of your loved ones died in the WTC.

I never said we shouldn't have fought back. Of coarse we should have. I am saying that we went about it all wrong. We blamed the wrong people. We diverted attention away from the fact that we couldn???t get the real enemy, so Bush transformed Iraq, into the enemy. He used are own stupidity against us, to gain support for a dumb fucking idea. It was dumb then, and it is dumb now. I actually took the time to talk to friends from Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. I asked them how they felt about it. They were fucking freaking out. They were scared shitless that they were going to be killed, because Americans are too fucking stupid to tell Arabs apart.
The sad truth was they are right.
They are just young adults trying to plan for a better future and better themselves, and some religious extremist attack the US. That really fucked things up for many of the International students at USA. None of these kids support what Al-Qaeda supported. But they worried about their families being killed when we invaded.

3,000 of our citizens died, because a group of people were "just taking orders".
3,000 of our citizens died, because a group of people let an asshole (Bin Laden) convince them that what they were doing was the right thing.
3,000 of our citizens died, because a group of people didn't think for themselves.

So, we returned the favor by:
Killing 35,000 Iraq Civilians, because we were just taking orders.
Killing 35,000 Iraq civilians, because we let an asshole (Bush) convince us that what we were doing was the right thing.
Killing 35,000 Iraq Civilians, because we couldn't think for ourselves.


You see, I do not see things the same as you. I may be wrong. Everyone else may be right, and I may be completely wrong. But I believe I am right with all of my heart. At least I have thought things out for myself. That is more than I can say for most people who believe blindly what Bush tells them on FOX news.

 

[BigDyl]

I find myself nodding my head in unison with KelJu's post.

 

[DOMS]

I find myself nodding my head in unison with KelJu's post.

Yeah, but get your face out of his crotch.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Do you consider yourself an American Snafu?

Of course. I am a proud American who want our nation to return to the founding principles. Our Constitution is the longest surviving, although it's been warped and distorted by an intruding Court, and National government.

We can focus on ourselves, and stop killing people.

It will be hard to do, but we can do it.

Also, I don't think portraying the marines or any military as a one-minded iraqi hating group is very smart.

I just took my Asvab's last month and I am enlisting after next school year, yet I am against the was in Iraq.

Should I die for that Snafu?

You should only die for it if you start killing people in foreign countries, or if you kill Americans inside our outside of the U.S.

But this also includes overthrowing foreign governments in the name of "freedom" in order to put trillions - yes trillions - into the pockets of corporations.

The most bombed nation in the history of the world is: Laos.

The Americans also murdered 100,000 innocent Camodians, but do you ever read that in your history books.

Be an individual. Not a blind servant-sheep that serves the interests of the elites in the nation-state.

 

[KelJu]

Of course. I am a proud American who want our nation to return to the founding principles. Our Constitution is the longest surviving, although it's been warped and distorted by an intruding Court, and National government.

We can focus on ourselves, and stop killing people.

It will be hard to do, but we can do it.




You should only die for it if you start killing people in foreign countries, or if you kill Americans inside our outside of the U.S.

But this also includes overthrowing foreign governments in the name of "freedom" in order to put trillions - yes trillions - into the pockets of corporations.

The most bombed nation in the history of the world is: Laos.

The Americans also murdered 100,000 innocent Camodians, but do you ever read that in your history books.

Be an individual. Not a blind servant-sheep that serves the interests of the elites in the nation-state.

I agree with what you are saying about 95%. But, I do not think the comment about being happy that American choppers going down was warranted. Also, there are circumstances where we might have to fight off of our own soil to protect us here.
Case in point, WWII had to be fought off of US soil. We had to stop Hitler's army in Europe, or there was going to be no stopping him at all.
Yeah I know that doesn't really apply today. I am just saying that the following statement should be reconsidered.

You should only die for it if you start killing people in foreign countries, or if you kill Americans inside our outside of the U.S.

Maybe this should be changed to you should only die for it if you start killing innocent people in foreign countries, or if you start killing innocent Americans inside or outside of the US.

I am totally in favor of the death penality for murders.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Case in point, WWII had to be fought off of US soil. We had to stop Hitler's army in Europe, or there was going to be no stopping him at all.

Yeah I know that doesn't really apply today. I am just saying that the following statement should be reconsidered.

There are arguements as to the aid that was given to the USSR - Stalin. 8,000 planes were given away to the Soviet Union.

Hitler was evil.

Did we "have to" get involved?

There is debate over this.

As for Japan, the Pearl Harbour was allowed to happen, to get the U.S. into WWII, and:

The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour over - oil.