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i am actually one of the members that genuinely likes jodi and wishes she didn't get given so much shit. i don't have any infractions but this might get me one or two who knows.

people who loathe open chat and wish it would close shouldn't be the ones policing it.

most seem to have the attitude that it serves no purpose and all that

a lot of us have a lot more to learn than we have to contribute but open chat still makes us part of a fitness community and believe it or not we don't just hang out here for nothing.

jodi is the only one that knows how much but i have lost a lot of weight since coming to im and am in the best shape i have been in in 16 years. i'm getting $13,000 in early november and the first things on my list to do were to buy more exercise equipment, try some supps for the first time ever and for me and Tess to become elite members. Tesla has lost 10 pounds since she joined and has known a lot of you for years.

foreman was not that bad and i for one really don't think he was acting so outrageous the other night. he took some pretty hard blows too. people that are supporting him have spent hundreds of hours in open chat and knew him better than most. right now people think i'm crazy because i won't just drop the school abusing my son. it is hard to keep your mouth shut when you genuinely think something is wrong and you want to make it right. that is what was up with foreman the other night.

open chat makes this place fun. there have been days i felt like dying n have come here and laughed at the stupid shit being said. it's pretty cool to have a place to go that makes you smile and laugh out loud when everything else in your life has been shit that day. it's nice to "see" the same faces and be around friends. which despite this being the internet a lot of us are.

someone that thinks open chat is just a pointless, useless shithole should not patrol it. if you don't think a game preserve or a club should exist to begin with maybe you wouldn't be suitable to work there either. i'm just making a point and i hope you can keep from taking it personal i honestly am not trying to attack anyone at all.

open chat is an important part of im. did you ever work at a place that had it's own softball team? i have and it fucking rocks. it is completely irrelevant to the job but an essential part of creating unity and camaraderie in the work place. bonds are made at those games and it is great to see totally different parts of people come out than you see in the serious setting at work.

i really don't think it is fair either to tell us we can't express how we feel about this issue. it's not very american and that might be seen by new members as a reason to steer clear. if this place gets a reputation of censoring it's members and being so focused on new members that loyal members that have been here for years are chopped liver and their opinions will not be tolerated then what purpose will new members see in sticking around?
 
I agree, part of the reason I loved IM was people could say what they wanted without being policed; that's gone by the wayside over the last 6 months or so.
 
I agree with you little wing.

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but there were many stunts that foreman did, that you are unaware of. Remember this is an Online "Community", foreman though funny "at times" can be cancerous in many more occurances. Yes you have to have thick skin to be on the internet. That said foreman was given many more chances then most would before receiving an infraction.

Does he have a right to voice his opinion,YES! but there are better ways to handle it then how he approached it many times.

We are all here with similar values and goals. The moderators and supermods are no different then any of you. We enjoy being here, goofing around, and chatting with many cool people that some of us have gotten to know on personal levels. Our concern is with keeping this a friendly community, yes poking fun at people is fine. But like in real life there are boundaries to your actions.
 
IainDaniel said:
I agree with you little wing.

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but there were many stunts that foreman did, that you are unaware of. Remember this is an Online "Community", foreman though funny "at times" can be cancerous in many more occurances. Yes you have to have thick skin to be on the internet. That said foreman was given many more chances then most would before receiving an infraction.

Does he have a right to voice his opinion,YES! but there are better ways to handle it then how he approached it many times.

We are all here with similar values and goals. The moderators and supermods are no different then any of you. We enjoy being here, goofing around, and chatting with many cool people that some of us have gotten to know on personal levels. Our concern is with keeping this a friendly community, yes poking fun at people is fine. But like in real life there are boundaries to your actions.
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foreman is not the point.
 
:lol: i actually made the point last night or early this morning that none of us knew all of what foreman did or what it felt like to be in jodi's shoes with him. now i can't find the post because it was fucking deleted. wtf?
 
I <3 Open Chat.
 
I totally stand by the decision to ban Foreman. He should've been banned long ago. I don't know much you guys realize it, but he has been let off the hook countless times in the past. I'm talking before the infraction system was even put in place. I wasn't going to ban him myself, but I can certainly understand it.

Just to make things clear, Jodi has actually defended Foreman on numerous occasions. For example, when me and a couple others were having a debate with him in the training section. He directly called me and Dale Mabry names when, overall, both of us were being very civil about discussing the topic at hand. Neither of us did anything to him. Some of the other mods were amazed that we didn't do anything about it. Jodi stood by our decision and helped prevent him from getting infractions or banned as a result.

I realize your point here is that you want to keep open chat a fun place to visit, and Foreman isn't really the issue at hand here, but I felt that was pertinent to the discussion anyway. Open chat can still be fun without being outright nasty to people. The other mods and I realize that most of the name calling done in open chat is done in jest, and no harm is intended. No one here takes it personally.

Despite all that, there is still a line that you have to draw, and you shouldn't do it with everyone. It's like ripping on a total stranger the way you do with your co-workers or best friends, it just doesn't work like that. People do get offended. Sorry to say, but a lot of people complain about some of the things to are said in open chat, including long time members. You guys don't see it and think nothing of it, but the mods are expected to do something about it.

With that said, I am very against censorship. I think all the closed Foreman threads are unnecessary, and I think infractions being handed out for the bumping of old threads and such are also unnecessary. However, just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean I don't understand the reasoning behind it.
 
I just don't give a fuck about open chat. As long as the person doesn't flame someone (in a non joking manner) or do something that upsets a person (to the point where I get a PM about it or have to hear bitching), then I jsut don't give a fuck.
 
P-funk said:
I just don't give a fuck about open chat. As long as the person doesn't flame someone (in a non joking manner) or do something that upsets a person (to the point where I get a PM about it or have to hear bitching), then I jsut don't give a fuck.
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you forgot to mention the riff raff!
 
CowPimp said:
I totally stand by the decision to ban Foreman. He should've been banned long ago. I don't know much you guys realize it, but he has been let off the hook countless times in the past. I'm talking before the infraction system was even put in place. I wasn't going to ban him myself, but I can certainly understand it.

Just to make things clear, Jodi has actually defended Foreman on numerous occasions. For example, when me and a couple others were having a debate with him in the training section. He directly called me and Dale Mabry names when, overall, both of us were being very civil about discussing the topic at hand. Neither of us did anything to him. Some of the other mods were amazed that we didn't do anything about it. Jodi stood by our decision and helped prevent him from getting infractions or banned as a result.

I realize your point here is that you want to keep open chat a fun place to visit, and Foreman isn't really the issue at hand here, but I felt that was pertinent to the discussion anyway. Open chat can still be fun without being outright nasty to people. The other mods and I realize that most of the name calling done in open chat is done in jest, and no harm is intended. No one here takes it personally.

Despite all that, there is still a line that you have to draw, and you shouldn't do it with everyone. It's like ripping on a total stranger the way you do with your co-workers or best friends, it just doesn't work like that. People do get offended. Sorry to say, but a lot of people complain about some of the things to are said in open chat, including long time members. You guys don't see it and think nothing of it, but the mods are expected to do something about it.

With that said, I am very against censorship. I think all the closed Foreman threads are unnecessary, and I think infractions being handed out for the bumping of old threads and such are also unnecessary. However, just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean I don't understand the reasoning behind it.
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True Story, but your argument essentially boils down to "oh yeah, well foreman started it!"
 
I've been the brunt of Foreman's bullshit, and slung shit at him unprovoked. But he did add a sense of humor here, something that others are not able to accept or agree with. I have no idea why he was baned, but I doubt it was for violent threats or hacking the server. He most likely didn't post nude pic's of his package (or Jodi's), do any kinda momma jokes at Jodi's expense, or send an envelope with a suspicious white powdered substance to Robert's IM mailing address.

My point? Foreman, Like Jodi, does contribute to Im. He, like Jodi, is also a rude insensitive person who feels he can do things outside of the rules. If you can't take that then stay out of Open Chat. I totally agree that threads should not be tittled "I can suck my own dick" or "should pussy farts be bottled and sold on eBAy". This is not the place for that kind of garbage, but a well aimed (or even poorly aimed) "go fuck yourself" in an Open Chat thread is no big deal. Grown ups do tend to throw that around a bit.

I've been here since mid 2004. I don't post much about fitness or have my pic's up. I'm not allowed to keep an online journal. I help when I can but I'm very restricted in what I can say about myself. I do have the freedom to express my political views and some of my personal history, but no freedom to give true descriptions about myself in real time or of my current circumstances. I say this because I???m prolly not the only one here with limits or restrictions put on his or herself. I am only here for the knowledge of weight lifting I???ve gained, to study sup???s and gear, and maybe get a little laugh along the way ... anyone who is here for more than that is deficient in living life.

Like many people here I've posted under several screen names, been rude beyond what is allowed, posted nudity, had bad moments with Robert (he doesn't much care for me), and wanted to tell Jodi to stop acting worse than the people she is trying to police. Jodi is at times the most helpful person on IM. Her tips on dieting were at one time without equal. Jodi is at other times a self centered, rude, abusive, arrogant bitch. She has on many occasions been guilty of the very things she is assigned to prevent. She and Foreman were on equal ground in the insulting others department with no issues taken against her. But Jodi has been here since the start of IM. She has paid her dues and earned her status here. Her dedication has endeared her to the hearts of many ??? me included. Those who are able to read between the lines know she has made good choices on how she runs her life, contributes to society like a good little American should. She even pays her taxes. Nothing to get worked up over or take too seriously. She knows her personality quirks; I???ve revealed nothing new here and I lose no sleep over all this because this is an internet forum ... not the real world. We can all click out as quickly as we click in. So yeah Jodi may be a rude bitch at times, but she is our rude bitch so let her do her thing as she sees it needs to be done and just get over it.

Besides, Foreskin is already back under a different screen name anyways. True story.
 
BoneCrusher said:
I've been the brunt of Foreman's bullshit, and slung shit at him unprovoked. But he did add a sense of humor here, something that others are not able to accept or agree with. I have no idea why he was baned, but I doubt it was for violent threats or hacking the server. He most likely didn't post nude pic's of his package (or Jodi's), do any kinda momma jokes at Jodi's expense, or send an envelope with a suspicious white powdered substance to Robert's IM mailing address.

My point? Foreman, Like Jodi, does contribute to Im. He, like Jodi, is also a rude insensitive person who feels he can do things outside of the rules. If you can't take that then stay out of Open Chat. I totally agree that threads should not be tittled "I can suck my own dick" or "should pussy farts be bottled and sold on eBAy". This is not the place for that kind of garbage, but a well aimed (or even poorly aimed) "go fuck yourself" in an Open Chat thread is no big deal. Grown ups do tend to throw that around a bit.

I've been here since mid 2004. I don't post much about fitness or have my pic's up. I'm not allowed to keep an online journal. I help when I can but I'm very restricted in what I can say about myself. I do have the freedom to express my political views and some of my personal history, but no freedom to give true descriptions about myself in real time or of my current circumstances. I say this because I???m prolly not the only one here with limits or restrictions put on his or herself. I am only here for the knowledge of weight lifting I???ve gained, to study sup???s and gear, and maybe get a little laugh along the way ... anyone who is here for more than that is deficient in living life.

Like many people here I've posted under several screen names, been rude beyond what is allowed, posted nudity, had bad moments with Robert (he doesn't much care for me), and wanted to tell Jodi to stop acting worse than the people she is trying to police. Jodi is at times the most helpful person on IM. Her tips on dieting were at one time without equal. Jodi is at other times a self centered, rude, abusive, arrogant bitch. She has on many occasions been guilty of the very things she is assigned to prevent. She and Foreman were on equal ground in the insulting others department with no issues taken against her. But Jodi has been here since the start of IM. She has paid her dues and earned her status here. Her dedication has endeared her to the hearts of many ??? me included. Those who are able to read between the lines know she has made good choices on how she runs her life, contributes to society like a good little American should. She even pays her taxes. Nothing to get worked up over or take too seriously. She knows her personality quirks; I???ve revealed nothing new here and I lose no sleep over all this because this is an internet forum ... not the real world. We can all click out as quickly as we click in. So yeah Jodi may be a rude bitch at times, but she is our rude bitch so let her do her thing as she sees it needs to be done and just get over it.

Besides, Foreskin is already back under a different screen name anyways. True story.
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post reported!
 
BoneCrusher said:
I've been the brunt of Foreman's bullshit, and slung shit at him unprovoked. But he did add a sense of humor here, something that others are not able to accept or agree with. I have no idea why he was baned, but I doubt it was for violent threats or hacking the server. He most likely didn't post nude pic's of his package (or Jodi's), do any kinda momma jokes at Jodi's expense, or send an envelope with a suspicious white powdered substance to Robert's IM mailing address.

My point? Foreman, Like Jodi, does contribute to Im. He, like Jodi, is also a rude insensitive person who feels he can do things outside of the rules. If you can't take that then stay out of Open Chat. I totally agree that threads should not be tittled "I can suck my own dick" or "should pussy farts be bottled and sold on eBAy". This is not the place for that kind of garbage, but a well aimed (or even poorly aimed) "go fuck yourself" in an Open Chat thread is no big deal. Grown ups do tend to throw that around a bit.

I've been here since mid 2004. I don't post much about fitness or have my pic's up. I'm not allowed to keep an online journal. I help when I can but I'm very restricted in what I can say about myself. I do have the freedom to express my political views and some of my personal history, but no freedom to give true descriptions about myself in real time or of my current circumstances. I say this because I???m prolly not the only one here with limits or restrictions put on his or herself. I am only here for the knowledge of weight lifting I???ve gained, to study sup???s and gear, and maybe get a little laugh along the way ... anyone who is here for more than that is deficient in living life.

Like many people here I've posted under several screen names, been rude beyond what is allowed, posted nudity, had bad moments with Robert (he doesn't much care for me), and wanted to tell Jodi to stop acting worse than the people she is trying to police. Jodi is at times the most helpful person on IM. Her tips on dieting were at one time without equal. Jodi is at other times a self centered, rude, abusive, arrogant bitch. She has on many occasions been guilty of the very things she is assigned to prevent. She and Foreman were on equal ground in the insulting others department with no issues taken against her. But Jodi has been here since the start of IM. She has paid her dues and earned her status here. Her dedication has endeared her to the hearts of many ??? me included. Those who are able to read between the lines know she has made good choices on how she runs her life, contributes to society like a good little American should. She even pays her taxes. Nothing to get worked up over or take too seriously. She knows her personality quirks; I???ve revealed nothing new here and I lose no sleep over all this because this is an internet forum ... not the real world. We can all click out as quickly as we click in. So yeah Jodi may be a rude bitch at times, but she is our rude bitch so let her do her thing as she sees it needs to be done and just get over it.

Besides, Foreskin is already back under a different screen name anyways. True story.
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Are you a spy?
 
BoneCrusher said:
My point? Foreman, Like Jodi, does contribute to Im. He, like Jodi, is also a rude insensitive person who feels he can do things outside of the rules. If you can't take that then stay out of Open Chat. I totally agree that threads should not be tittled "I can suck my own dick" or "should pussy farts be bottled and sold on eBAy". This is not the place for that kind of garbage, but a well aimed (or even poorly aimed) "go fuck yourself" in an Open Chat thread is no big deal. Grown ups do tend to throw that around a bit.
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:thumb: :clapping: :clapping:



bone said:
I am only here for the knowledge of weight lifting I???ve gained, to study sup???s and gear, and maybe get a little laugh along the way ... anyone who is here for more than that is deficient in living life.
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sometimes people lives doesn't go smooth. Everyone has ups and downs. When things in your social life aern't going so well, OC is a nice place to turn to.


bpme said:
and wanted to tell Jodi to stop acting worse than the people she is trying to police. Jodi is at times the most helpful person on IM. Her tips on dieting were at one time without equal. Jodi is at other times a self centered, rude, abusive, arrogant bitch. She has on many occasions been guilty of the very things she is assigned to prevent. She and Foreman were on equal ground in the insulting others department with no issues taken against her. :clapping: :clapping:
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:clapping: :thumb: :clapping:




bone said:
But Jodi has been here since the start of IM. She has paid her dues and earned her status here. Her dedication has endeared her to the hearts of many ??? me included. Those who are able to read between the lines know she has made good choices on how she runs her life, contributes to society like a good little American should. She even pays her taxes. Nothing to get worked up over or take too seriously. She knows her personality quirks; I???ve revealed nothing new here and I lose no sleep over all this because this is an internet forum ... not the real world. We can all click out as quickly as we click in. So yeah Jodi may be a rude bitch at times, but she is our rude bitch so let her do her thing as she sees it needs to be done and just get over it.
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so if you get arrested for smoking a joint, and in the cruiser on your way to the stattion, the same cop is smoking a blunt, and you sit there and say nothing do nothing?



FUK THAT SHIT.
 
BoneCrusher said:
I've been the brunt of Foreman's bullshit, and slung shit at him unprovoked. But he did add a sense of humor here, something that others are not able to accept or agree with. I have no idea why he was baned, but I doubt it was for violent threats or hacking the server. He most likely didn't post nude pic's of his package (or Jodi's), do any kinda momma jokes at Jodi's expense, or send an envelope with a suspicious white powdered substance to Robert's IM mailing address.

My point? Foreman, Like Jodi, does contribute to Im. He, like Jodi, is also a rude insensitive person who feels he can do things outside of the rules. If you can't take that then stay out of Open Chat. I totally agree that threads should not be tittled "I can suck my own dick" or "should pussy farts be bottled and sold on eBAy". This is not the place for that kind of garbage, but a well aimed (or even poorly aimed) "go fuck yourself" in an Open Chat thread is no big deal. Grown ups do tend to throw that around a bit.

I've been here since mid 2004. I don't post much about fitness or have my pic's up. I'm not allowed to keep an online journal. I help when I can but I'm very restricted in what I can say about myself. I do have the freedom to express my political views and some of my personal history, but no freedom to give true descriptions about myself in real time or of my current circumstances. I say this because I???m prolly not the only one here with limits or restrictions put on his or herself. I am only here for the knowledge of weight lifting I???ve gained, to study sup???s and gear, and maybe get a little laugh along the way ... anyone who is here for more than that is deficient in living life.

Like many people here I've posted under several screen names, been rude beyond what is allowed, posted nudity, had bad moments with Robert (he doesn't much care for me), and wanted to tell Jodi to stop acting worse than the people she is trying to police. Jodi is at times the most helpful person on IM. Her tips on dieting were at one time without equal. Jodi is at other times a self centered, rude, abusive, arrogant bitch. She has on many occasions been guilty of the very things she is assigned to prevent. She and Foreman were on equal ground in the insulting others department with no issues taken against her. But Jodi has been here since the start of IM. She has paid her dues and earned her status here. Her dedication has endeared her to the hearts of many ??? me included. Those who are able to read between the lines know she has made good choices on how she runs her life, contributes to society like a good little American should. She even pays her taxes. Nothing to get worked up over or take too seriously. She knows her personality quirks; I???ve revealed nothing new here and I lose no sleep over all this because this is an internet forum ... not the real world. We can all click out as quickly as we click in. So yeah Jodi may be a rude bitch at times, but she is our rude bitch so let her do her thing as she sees it needs to be done and just get over it.

Besides, Foreskin is already back under a different screen name anyways. True story.
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:thumb: I agree 100%
 
guys all this love for foreman seems kind of asinine. one guy doesnt make or break a forum. besides we all know he could have stopped any time he wanted to. he truthfully felt like he was getting screwed. well, instead of acting like a kid and making it worse for himself he could have easily written a professional note stating his case. openly fighting with a mod doesnt seem like a great way to win your case. he knew what he was doing all along and forced this upon himself.
If he ever makes it back lets hope he brings his good qualities and is able to start fresh
 
bio-chem said:
guys all this love for foreman seems kind of asinine. one guy doesnt make or break a forum. besides we all know he could have stopped any time he wanted to. he truthfully felt like he was getting screwed. well, instead of acting like a kid and making it worse for himself he could have easily written a professional note stating his case. openly fighting with a mod doesnt seem like a great way to win your case. he knew what he was doing all along and forced this upon himself.
If he ever makes it back lets hope he brings his good qualities and is able to start fresh
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Yeah, I dont get it. Hes just a forum member. He didnt give a shit about you, so why give a fuck about him. And him could = anybody, not just Foreman.

IM is the most easy going forum Ive found yet. I am quite surprised Foreman didnt get booted sooner, especially after Psychodad, topolo, and now Kenwood bit the dust. He was just as bad as they were...well, no kenwood was just fucking awful. If Foreman did his shit on any other site, hed be gone instantly.

I laughed more than twice at his responces, but at what cost? He "plays too much." So, like I said in another thread, fuck him.

Why are threads getting deleted though? Thats a bit...psychotically odd.
 
AKIRA said:
Yeah, I dont get it. Hes just a forum member. He didnt give a shit about you, so why give a fuck about him. And him could = anybody, not just Foreman.

IM is the most easy going forum Ive found yet. I am quite surprised Foreman didnt get booted sooner, especially after Psychodad, topolo, and now Kenwood bit the dust. He was just as bad as they were...well, no kenwood was just fucking awful. If Foreman did his shit on any other site, hed be gone instantly.

I laughed more than twice at his responces, but at what cost? He "plays too much." So, like I said in another thread, fuck him.

Why are threads getting deleted though? Thats a bit...psychotically odd.
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your post seems to be argueing both sides:hmmm:

the point is he knew where the line was, and he chose to run all over it. and its not like the line is prohibitive. there are tons of us who say whatever we want without crossing that line
 
bio-chem said:
your post seems to be argueing both sides:hmmm:

the point is he knew where the line was, and he chose to run all over it. and its not like the line is prohibitive. there are tons of us who say whatever we want without crossing that line
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You just crossed the line.
 
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