what does open chat mean to you? is it useless?

[BigDyl]

I hear ya... just like what Crashman said, it's a two way street. Takes two to tango.. both of them are equally responsible for the argument. However, this board is purely a privaledge. We don't have a right to post here, but with the permission of the owner we do. As the owner can't moderate each thread, that power gets passed down to topic mods (of course). To mess with them is absurd. It's like toying with your parents. Regardless of how childish the argument can come down to, the parents can kick you out of the house, and that'll be it. Fortuntely, this forum is not some abusive family, but I think I know what I mean.

Personally, I would agree with the ban, but for the acts way before that thread. He was a jokester, and that was great, but he took it to extremes. He would constantly post his shit in the training forum, diet and nutrition, and anabolics. Shit that needs to be in Open Chat.
BigDyl, GoCocks, Myk... all jokesters, and I love it, but they are very different than Foreman. Try to find an insultive post in the training section by any of them. They keep their humor in OC, unlike what Foreman did. I can remember countless threads where Foreman would anger a new poster here. A new member often starts off with a newb question, such as posting his/her training program. Foreman just went way out of line in way too many of these. Not something you want around here, unfortunetly.

If you are an Elite Member and buy products YOU are a customer. Therefor you should have more rights than some random poster.


So there is some sort of power you hold. If you as a customer are not satisfied with the service, you have a voice and can use it.


I'm not saying customers can't be let go per se, if they cause problems.

 

[Focus]

If you are an Elite Member and buy products YOU are a customer. Therefor you should have more rights than some random poster.


So there is some sort of power you hold. If you as a customer are not satisfied with the service, you have a voice and can use it.


I'm not saying customers can't be let go per se, if they cause problems.

I bet he did get an incredible amount of chances. The mods knew what would happen if they banned him - he is the top poster on the board by far (wasn't he averaging over 100 posts a day or something at one point). All the mods have claimed the numerous warnings they issued. They seemed to do all they could for him, but there needs to be a breaking point. Unfortunetly for Foreman, he didn't take any of it seriously. It's good to hold a good sense of humor, but in his case everything was a joke, and his insults ran out of time.
I'm sure he got more chances than some new guy, being an elite member, who could be banned on his second post.

 

[ALBOB]

If you are an Elite Member and buy products YOU are a customer. Therefor you should have more rights than some random poster.


So there is some sort of power you hold. If you as a customer are not satisfied with the service, you have a voice and can use it.


I'm not saying customers can't be let go per se, if they cause problems.

I'm not sure I agree with this. If a customer is not satisfied with the service they receive they're more than welcome to shop elsewhere. Also, if a customer walks into a store and starts causing trouble they get their asses thrown out. That's how it works in the real world, why would it be different here?

 

[BigDyl]

I bet he did get an incredible amount of chances. The mods knew what would happen if they banned him - he is the top poster on the board by far (wasn't he averaging over 100 posts a day or something at one point). All the mods have claimed the numerous warnings they issued. They seemed to do all they could for him, but there needs to be a breaking point. Unfortunetly for Foreman, he didn't take any of it seriously. It's good to hold a good sense of humor, but in his case everything was a joke, and his insults ran out of time.
I'm sure he got more chances than some new guy, being an elite member, who could be banned on his second post.

It doesn't matter what any IM member like myself says. The mods will do whatever they want. It's too bad they can't admit that they used entrapment methods to get rid of foreman. So what if you admit it? Nothing happens.

 

[ALBOB]

It doesn't matter what any IM member like myself says. The mods will do whatever they want. It's too bad they can't admit that they used entrapment methods to get rid of foreman. So what if you admit it? Nothing happens.

Why would they NEED to do that? They're Mods. They could ban pretty much any member at any time. There's no need for tricks or games.

 

[DOMS]

Why would they NEED to do that? They're Mods. They could ban pretty much any member at any time. There's no need for tricks or games.

I think what's really causing the stir is the timing. The last anyone saw of Foreman, he was trading insults with a mod and then *poof", no more Foreman. It may have been a coincidence, but it just looks bad.

But yeah, they don't really need a reason. I should note that I do believe that they did give Foreman a whole hell of a lot more chances than they did some other ex-members. MyCatPowerlifts comes to mind.

 

[BoneCrusher]

All this crying about someone getting the axe is getting old. We've beat this issue to death and now it is time to cease morning the resently departed and move on with our cyber lives.

 

[MCx2]

All this crying about someone getting the axe is getting old. We've beat this issue to death and now it is time to cease morning the resently departed and move on with our cyber lives.

 

[BoneCrusher]

I think what's really causing the stir is the timing. The last anyone saw of Foreman, he was trading insults with a mod and then *poof", no more Foreman. It may have been a coincidence, but it just looks bad.

But yeah, they don't really need a reason. I should note that I do believe that they did give Foreman a whole hell of a lot more chances than they did some other ex-members. MyCatPowerlifts comes to mind.

Cat was baned? WTF for? He actually contributed here ...

 

[BigDyl]

Cat was baned? WTF for? He actually contributed here ...

All this crying over members getting axed is getting tiring...

 

[DOMS]

Cat was baned? WTF for? He actually contributed here ...

He had one really bad day. He took to saying some very personal insults Crazy Enough and her children. AFAIK, it was the only time that he had done that, but they gave him the ax.

I think it sucked. Who knows? Maybe he's bipolar and was haing a real bad day? There are several members who have mood disorders. It's not that uncommon. But, unlike Foreman, there were no reprieve. At least, not that I know of.

 

[DOMS]

All this crying over members getting axed is getting tiring...

Hell no. There's no way that I'm putting MCP in the same class as Foreman.

 

[CowPimp]

Witmaster, you perception of what was "done to Foreman" is a little off I think. We didn't gang up on Foreman. Various members of this board ganged up on Jodi, and Foreman was the leader of this bashing. Someone had to offer her some defense instead of just letting her get dragged through the mud. I felt that what the other mods said was pretty reasonable. I don't remember saying anything too out of hand myself. If I did, then I apologize.

As well, you have to know that Foreman has a knack for pushing people's buttons. Not only did he attack Jodi personally, but he obviously has some kind of problem with women. I make jokes about women in jest, but he seems to have a genuine hatred for women. Jodi is very proud of her identity, and being a woman is part of that. I'm sure that was part of what got a rise out of her.

The moderators here are human too. We probably should've banned Foreman a long time ago and not allowed him to get away with so much. Seriously, there were many debates about banning him and or giving him infractions on multiple occasions. There was arguing among the mods because no one likes to see someone get banned, but he pissed a lot of people off. It created more tension than it should have, and it cumulated over time. It was like a repressed issue of the past that finally culminated in a bigger deal than it should have been.

 

[CowPimp]

It doesn't matter what any IM member like myself says. The mods will do whatever they want. It's too bad they can't admit that they used entrapment methods to get rid of foreman. So what if you admit it? Nothing happens.

I could compile an encyclopedia filled with rule violations and general anus-like behavior from Foreman. Don't give me that.

 

[DOMS]

As well, you have to know that Foreman has a knack for pushing people's buttons.

Can I get an "Amen!" He was the master of that.

 

[ALBOB]

Can I get an "Amen!"

Why you gotta bring religion into it?

 

[Triple Threat]

Albob. Back for good or just passing through?

 

[DOMS]

Why you gotta bring religion into it?

Foreman was the devil.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Albob. Back for good or just passing through?

OLDBOB been passing through for good since I got here back in '04. He's kinda flighty.

 

[ALBOB]

OLDBOB been passing through for good since I got here back in '04. He's kinda flighty.

Flighty? No, I retired from the Air Force three years ago.

Giving the old place a test drive. Things look good so far. Hopefully IM can get back to it's previous FUN self.

 

[Decker]

I'm not sure what happened about the banning of Foreman. My two cents on the subject of the merits of Open Chat is that it should be open. No rules, no standards of temperment. I'm certain there are virulent people out there that can purposefully interfere with the operation of this website, but a difference of opinion which results in some namecalling happens. It may happen quite a bit. But that's a burden of the free exchange of ideas.

Codes for behavior in a forum like this one does one of three things: 1. absolutely nothing 2. dares people to cross THE line or 3. it chills the normal course of discussion. The effect depends on what type of person/speaker you are.

If I had a voice in the matter, I'd recommend leaving open chat an arena where anything (content-wise) goes.

Also, if there is an underlying economic consideration that banning addresses, I would like to see it.

 

[ALBOB]

Codes for behavior in a forum like this one does one of three things: 1. absolutely nothing 2. dares people to cross THE line or 3. it chills the normal course of discussion. The effect depends on what type of person/speaker you are.

You forgot one; they cause people to act like adults. Some people don't seem to be able to do that simply because it's the right thing to do, they have to be told to do so. When adult behavior breaks down and you get a bunch of three year olds throwing temper tantrums (or worse) the discussion you and I prize so much disappears. Along with the discussion disappearing, so do the people who enjoy that discussion. In the end you're left with nothing but the three year olds. That's the direction I saw IM heading. Hopefully it's turned around and will become what it used to be, a very enjoyable, INFORMATIONAL site.

 

[ZECH]

You forgot one; they cause people to act like adults. Some people don't seem to be able to do that simply because it's the right thing to do, they have to be told to do so. When adult behavior breaks down and you get a bunch of three year olds throwing temper tantrums (or worse) the discussion you and I prize so much disappears. Along with the discussion disappearing, so do the people who enjoy that discussion. In the end you're left with nothing but the three year olds. That's the direction I saw IM heading. Hopefully it's turned around and will become what it used to be, a very enjoyable, INFORMATIONAL site.

Ok, who are you and what did you do to Albob??
Actually I agree.

 

[bio-chem]

I'm not sure what happened about the banning of Foreman. My two cents on the subject of the merits of Open Chat is that it should be open. No rules, no standards of temperment. I'm certain there are virulent people out there that can purposefully interfere with the operation of this website, but a difference of opinion which results in some namecalling happens. It may happen quite a bit. But that's a burden of the free exchange of ideas.

Codes for behavior in a forum like this one does one of three things: 1. absolutely nothing 2. dares people to cross THE line or 3. it chills the normal course of discussion. The effect depends on what type of person/speaker you are.

If I had a voice in the matter, I'd recommend leaving open chat an arena where anything (content-wise) goes.

Also, if there is an underlying economic consideration that banning addresses, I would like to see it.

for the most part i agree. however rules have to be part of the system. Prince doesnt want porn posted here, for obvious reasons. therefore there are rules. now all that has to be decided is what rules to use. the basic arguement is where the line should be drawn. some argue for liberal allowances others want a more conservative approach. all in all i feel This is Princes site, he is the one putting the effort into it. Its up to him and if we want to be a part of it, we should follow the rules. none of which are overly restrictive to a good discussion

 

[Jodi]

You forgot one; they cause people to act like adults. Some people don't seem to be able to do that simply because it's the right thing to do, they have to be told to do so. When adult behavior breaks down and you get a bunch of three year olds throwing temper tantrums (or worse) the discussion you and I prize so much disappears. Along with the discussion disappearing, so do the people who enjoy that discussion. In the end you're left with nothing but the three year olds. That's the direction I saw IM heading. Hopefully it's turned around and will become what it used to be, a very enjoyable, INFORMATIONAL site.

 

[P-funk]

You forgot one; they cause people to act like adults. Some people don't seem to be able to do that simply because it's the right thing to do, they have to be told to do so. When adult behavior breaks down and you get a bunch of three year olds throwing temper tantrums (or worse) the discussion you and I prize so much disappears. Along with the discussion disappearing, so do the people who enjoy that discussion. In the end you're left with nothing but the three year olds. That's the direction I saw IM heading. Hopefully it's turned around and will become what it used to be, a very enjoyable, INFORMATIONAL site.

true story.

 

[mike456]

There should not be any permanant bans, one month at most (they will learn there lesson)
Most people are not complaining about the fact that foreman got banned (he deserved punishment, but not that severe IMO), but are complaining about how it was handled (permanant ban, 10s of threads deleted, infractions for bumping old foreman threads, etc.)
and now there is all these threats of bans, that would have never happened before the whole foreman thing.

 

[viet_jon]

There should not be any permanant bans, one month at most (they will learn there lesson).

who are we to decide that?

 

[mike456]

who are we to decide that?

it is my opinion, but it is up to them

 

[ALBOB]

Ok, who are you and what did you do to Albob??

I shot him right between the eyes. Had to use the Wildey to get through that thick skull of his. Then I buried his shriveld up old ass out in the desert.