Iran Will Be Attacked by May 1, 2007

[ABCs]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

So BigDyl, sir.. what do you suggest we do with these crazy leaders? Hand out lollipops for good behavior?

 

[BigDyl]

So BigDyl, sir.. what do you suggest we do with these crazy leaders? Hand out lollipops for good behavior?

Yes

 

[Witchblade]

It would still cost money, lots of it. If the bombs that are going to be fired are already there, they'll have to be replaced. And it won't be just airstrikes. Nearly all of the military facilities in Iran, especially the ones with WoMD, are underground. They'll have to send troops.

The US have made this mistake more often. Vietnam, let's just bomb them. It didn't work. They had to send troops and they got raped. They couldn't just bomb Iraq either.

And about the lack of civil support: I was under the impression that a referendum showed that about 60% of american citizens did not want to invade Iran?

Granted, if they want to wage war, they cán. But it will be at a huge cost.

 

[BigDyl]

How many WMD's does Iran have, 2?

It should be easy enough to use diplomacy to go in and pick the WMD's up and take them out without a war.

 

[DOMS]

How many WMD's does Iran have, 2?

That's two too many.

It should be easy enough to use diplomacy to go in and pick the WMD's up and take them out without a war.

When has Iran ever shown reason?

 

[BigDyl]

That's two too many.



When has Iran ever shown reason?

I don't know. Maybe the would give them up? Our government would rather attack and control than do it that way though.

 

[ABCs]

I don't know. Maybe the would give them up? Our government would rather attack and control than do it that way though.

Nah, if you knew anything about this situation, not only has the United States told Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to give up the nukes, but the United Nations (worthless nations) have told him to give them up. He physically responded to neither. Oh and mind you, this is the same man that said he wants to, and I quote, "wipe Isreal off of the map." So you tell me Dyl, where do we go from here?

 

[BoneCrusher]

It's better that we let the genocidal president of Iran get nukes and use them on Isreal. Yup, I vote for that one.

You're the right age ABCs. Sign up ... volunteer for the front lines. GO there. Wrap your self in military gear and go kill the enemy of Israel. If you are not willing to do that ... then you have no right to suggest that someone else do it.

 

[BigDyl]

You're the right age ABCs. Sign up ... volunteer for the front lines. GO there. Wrap your self in military gear and go kill the enemy of Israel. If you are not willing to do that ... then you have no right to suggest that someone else do it.

 

[Big Smoothy]

You're the right age ABCs. Sign up ... volunteer for the front lines. GO there. Wrap your self in military gear and go kill the enemy of Israel. If you are not willing to do that ... then you have no right to suggest that someone else do it.

Good points.

Also, Israel keeps coming up.

Look at the top U.S. officials in the Department of Defense, State, NSC, DIA,

and the PNAC, American Enterprise Institute (AEI).

They are strong supporters of Israel. They have an enormous influence on U.S. foreign policy.


AIPAC.

 

[ABCs]

You're the right age ABCs. Sign up ... volunteer for the front lines. GO there. Wrap your self in military gear and go kill the enemy of Israel. If you are not willing to do that ... then you have no right to suggest that someone else do it.

Nah, actually I do. Just because we want to stop a genocidal maniac from whipping out an entire race of people, doesn't make me cut out for the military. To even suggest that is absurd. BTW, if you didn't know Mr. Crusher, there is no frontline with concentrated aireal bombings. Good try though.

And again, I ask, what do we do about this problem? Dyl ducked the question, so maybe you can answer it. If the UN and the US told them to STOP nuclear programs, and they didn't even blink, WHAT DO WE DO?

 

[DOMS]

I don't know. Maybe the would give them up? Our government would rather attack and control than do it that way though.

The only way that Iran would give them up would be under thread from attack. I'm not worried though; if they have to, Israel will take care of it.

 

[ABCs]

The only way that Iran would give them up would be under thread from attack. I'm not worried though; if they have to, Israel will take care of it.

Werd up man. Isreal has such a great army but you know what fucking sucks, evey time they try to defend themselves even against the terrorist nation of Hezbolah, they get shot down by the media and political powers around the world. What a bunch of bullshit. Isreal should have every right to protect themselves against these terror countries that OPENLY say they want to wipe them off of the face of the earth. It's disgusting... and liberals support it.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Nah, actually I do. Just because we want to stop a genocidal maniac from whipping out an entire race of people, doesn't make me cut out for the military. To even suggest that is absurd. BTW, if you didn't know Mr. Crusher, there is no frontline with concentrated aireal bombings. Good try though.

And again, I ask, what do we do about this problem? Dyl ducked the question, so maybe you can answer it. If the UN and the US told them to STOP nuclear programs, and they didn't even blink, WHAT DO WE DO?

Baaaaahhhhh ... wrong answer. There is very certainly a front line. The Iraqi military action is manned with front line troops going street by street. Iran would be the same war fought with the same kind of tactics ... there's nothing in play to suggest the Iranian military action will change in tactical approach. Expect more of the same ...

As far as what I would do with Iran ... :
I like the approach used to take down [SIZE=-1]Milosevic[/SIZE]. Fly in, bomb the facility with tradition munitions, and go home. Anyone who believes we don't have the kind of fire power needed to reach the depths of the underground enrichment plant is not up to speed with our weaponry. We can repeatedly bomb a hole a mile deep inside of 20 minutes and be home in time for lunch. No war, no ground assault, no "boots on the ground" mentality.

I gotta say here though that we do not need to even be involved in this ... Israel has more than what it takes to handle Iran. Israel has what we have and can launch an equally effective destructive end to this issue. That is what we pay them for ... that is what we have been sending them billions a year for ... and that is why the entire Islamic community hates us.

I say let Israel go deal with this.

Fight's on ... gtg.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Here's a brief backgound on the 1953 CIA overthrow of the pro-democracy anti-communist government:

....In 1951, a pro-democratic nationalist, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh rose to prominence in Iran and was elected Prime Minister. As Prime Minister, Mossadegh alarmed the West by his nationalization of Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later British Petroleum, BP) that had controlled the country's oil reserves. In response, Britain immediately embargoed Iran. Soon after, members of the British Intelligence Service invited the United States to join them in covertly overthrowing the democratically-elected Mossadegh. Initially, United States President Harry S. Truman refused, but after Dwight D. Eisenhower was elected the British proposed the plan again. After convincing Eisenhower that Mossadegh was sympathetic to communism (even though he was an avowed anti-communist), the United States agreed to assist Britain in Operation Ajax. President Eisenhower authorized the CIA to take the lead in the operation of overthrowing Mossadegh and supporting a US-friendly monarch.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

 

[BoneCrusher]

Here's a brief backgound on the 1953 CIA overthrow of the pro-democracy anti-communist government:



Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

Hence the installation of the Shaw of Iran. His reign was marked with Saddam Husein like greed until he was thrown out and replaced by the [SIZE=-1]Ayatollah Khamani ... totally backed by a sectarian unification of the Iranian people. His first action was to take over the American Embassy showing the Islamic community that he was not a western puppet like the Shaw was. He then negotiated with the prior [/SIZE]ambassador to the United Nations (1971-1974); Special Envoy to China (1974-1975); and Republican National Chairman (1975-1976)[SIZE=-1] and head of the CIA (1976-1977) to delay the release of the hostages 'til after the coming election ... in 1980 ... George H.W. Bush. He and Ronald Reagan had Americans held hostage so as to weaken the incumbent Carter. [/SIZE]

 

[goob]

Baaaaahhhhh ... wrong answer. There is very certainly a front line. The Iraqi military action is manned with front line troops going street by street. Iran would be the same war fought with the same kind of tactics ... there's nothing in play to suggest the Iranian military action will change in tactical approach. Expect more of the same ...

As far as what I would do with Iran ... :
I like the approach used to take down [SIZE=-1]Milosevic[/SIZE]. Fly in, bomb the facility with tradition munitions, and go home. Anyone who believes we don't have the kind of fire power needed to reach the depths of the underground enrichment plant is not up to speed with our weaponry. We can repeatedly bomb a hole a mile deep inside of 20 minutes and be home in time for lunch. No war, no ground assault, no "boots on the ground" mentality.

I gotta say here though that we do not need to even be involved in this ... Israel has more than what it takes to handle Iran. Israel has what we have and can launch an equally effective destructive end to this issue. That is what we pay them for ... that is what we have been sending them billions a year for ... and that is why the entire Islamic community hates us.

I say let Israel go deal with this.

Fight's on ... gtg.

Well said.

Let Israel deal with this, it's really their fight. They have the capability, and the will.

 

[Big Smoothy]

I am an American citizen, and proud of it:

And, the American propaganda machine is in full-mode right now:

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military Sunday presented evidence it says shows an elite Iranian force under the command of Iran's supreme leader is behind bombings that have killed at least 170 U.S. troops in Iraq.

This is just the beginning.

Everyday, expect to hear the world "IRAN."

But why did it take 4 years?

Because.....now is the time for the U.S. to strike.

 

[BoneCrusher]

I am an American citizen, and proud of it:

And, the American propaganda machine is in full-mode right now:



This is just the beginning.

Everyday, expect to hear the world "IRAN."

But why did it take 4 years?

Because.....now is the time for the U.S. to strike.

That sounds like something from a movie trailer narrated by the voice-over guy. Big Smoothy ... you been sippin' on a few too many bourbon smoothies?

It's always easy for the old to order the young to go die ...

 

[lnvanry]

I am an American citizen, and proud of it:

And, the American propaganda machine is in full-mode right now:



This is just the beginning.

Everyday, expect to hear the world "IRAN."

But why did it take 4 years?

Because.....now is the time for the U.S. to strike.

I completely agree....its a slow PR campaing by the fed to NOT suprise the public about a military confrontation with Iran.

its going to happen sooner rather than later...I would even be suprised if the seized Iranian diplomats were not seized by sunni terrorists but by US forces...or at least planned and back by US forces.

We are going to see a large military build up of sunni nations and US allies to prepare for the regional war....Saudia Arabia is going to armed to the teeth for this confrontation by WHOEVER is in the white house...the Saudi Royal family is ALWAYS in good relations with the US gov't no matter who is in office. If things go the US's way, Saudia Arabia will come out on top of the region.

 

[Decker]

That sounds like something from a movie trailer narrated by the voice-over guy. ...

It does, doesn't it. The US propaganda is real.

The Bush administration's claim: Deadliest Bomb in Iraq Is Made by Iran, U.S. Says
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/10/w...5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Here is what a rather brilliant guy says about Iran's role in the death of US soldiers in Iraq:

Over all, only a fourth of US troops had been killed Baghdad (713 or 23.7 percent of about 3000) through the end of 2006. But US troops aren't fighting Shiites anyplace else-- Ninevah, Diyala, Salahuddin--these are all Sunni areas. For a fourth of US troops to be being killed or wounded by Shiite EFPs, all of the Baghdad deaths would have to be at the hands of Shiites!

So the unnamed sources at the Pentagon are reduced to implying that Iran is giving sophisticated bombs to its sworn enemies and the very groups that are killing its Shiite Iraqi allies every day. Get real!

http://www.juancole.com/

Now we have this:

Joint Chiefs chairman sees no evidence of meddling by Iran's regime
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/16683913.htm

In my opinion, the Bush administration is lying about Iran's alleged role in Iraq.

They've fooled us once. Now they are trying again.