McCain sold his soul

[KelJu]

Conservatives want babies to grow up, so they can fuck them in the ass when they turn 12.

 

[KelJu]

Do you honestly think comparing bombing campaigns in a war to killing unwanted babies out of convienence makes sense?

Yes I do.

 

[Pianomahnn]

Do you honestly think comparing bombing campaigns in a war to killing unwanted babies out of convienence makes sense?

It's convenient to blow up babies. It's convenient to abort fetuses.

Sure, makes plenty of sense. One is killing BREATHING, SPEAKING, MOVING, THINKING children, maybe they're all burned up and stuff, missing an arm or something, maybe the had a piece of shrapnal through the skull, slow death, omgz the HORROR!!!!. The other is killing nonbreathing, nonspeaking, kinda moving, really probably not thinking fetuses in a relatively quick manner.

 

[KelJu]

It's convenient to blow up babies. It's convenient to abort fetuses.

Sure, makes plenty of sense. One is killing BREATHING, SPEAKING, MOVING, THINKING children, maybe they're all burned up and stuff, missing an arm or something, maybe the had a piece of shrapnal through the skull, slow death, omgz the HORROR!!!!. The other is killing nonbreathing, nonspeaking, kinda moving, really probably not thinking fetuses in a relatively quick manner.

 

[Pianomahnn]

HEY THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE ITS WAR!!!1111 DEAD BABIES FROM WAR IS NOT BAD, ITS GOOD! Kill the infidel children! Kill them all with fire and KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM bombs!! Falling bricks on the skull for the win!!

Yea, well abortion is war on unwanted fetuses. No difference there.

 

[KelJu]

HEY THAT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE ITS WAR!!!1111 DEAD BABIES FROM WAR IS NOT BAD, ITS GOOD! Kill the infidel children! Kill them all with fire and KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM bombs!! Falling bricks on the skull for the win!!

Yea, well abortion is war on unwanted fetuses. No difference there.

Ok, simmer dow na. You made a few good points, don't get carried away.

 

[Pianomahnn]

OMGZ THE HUMANTI!y

Come on, I'm having fun here.

 

[DOMS]

The conservatives won't respond to this quote, because your point makes too much sense. They have no answer, and they are completely full of shit.

One is the byproduct of war and the other the product of inconvenience. Why are you so confused by that?

 

[KelJu]

One is the byproduct of war and the other the product of inconvenience. Why are you so confused by that?

I'm not confused. I don't think a child's nationality make's his/her life any less valuable. I am pointing out the bullshit in the conservative argument about how precious life is, but lets area effect bomb an entire area that might or might not contain terrorist.

 

[KelJu]

One is the byproduct of war and the other the product of inconvenience. Why are you so confused by that?

Oh yeah, and war is not a reason to kill innocent people. Our technology distances us from the terrible aftermath of the evil shit we do when we drop one of those bombs in a city.


Go in there, and kill the right people, or don't fucking bother at all.

 

[Pianomahnn]

Oh, I see. So there are varying degrees of acceptance for the death of innocent babies. Let me lay this out in terms I understand.

- A fetus is innocent. Do not kill the fetus ever! Even if it's the child of a crackhead hobag mom who wont care for it. Seeing a crack addicted baby with no future is pretty exciting shit. Especially when the righteous don't have to deal with it.

- A baby, chillin' in the cradle over in some country we decided to start blowing up, gets burned to death by a bomb. Takes a few minutes for the baby to die. But that's okay, because, well, it's war. And in War, killing is fine no matter what.

Yea, that makes sense to me.

 

[DOMS]

Oh yeah, and war is not a reason to kill innocent people. Our technology distances us from the terrible aftermath of the evil shit we do when we drop one of those bombs in a city.

War is a reality of the world that we live in. You may not like, and I may not like it, but it simply the way the world works. It's also the way the world has worked for as long as their have been humans. An inescapable fact is that innocents are killed in every war that has ever been fought. There is not choice regarding that.

Killing an infant via abortion is always a choice.

Go in there, and kill the right people, or don't fucking bother at all.

That would be the idea war, but again, there's the real world to contend with.

 

[DOMS]

Oh, I see. So there are varying degrees of acceptance for the death of innocent babies. Let me lay this out in terms I understand.



Yea, that makes sense to me.

Aside from what I've already told KelJu, I'll add this: The infants that are killed in the US are Americans. Those that are killed abroad are not.

I am, first and foremost, concerned with the welfare of my own people.

 

[DOMS]

I'm not confused. I don't think a child's nationality make's his/her life any less valuable.

I do. In my set of values, American lives come first.

 

[NordicNacho]

Arab Babies blood is a small price to pay for Freedom

 

[KelJu]

War is a reality of the world that we live in. You may not like, and I may not like it, but it simply the way the world works. It's also the way the world has worked for as long as their have been humans. An inescapable fact is that innocents are killed in every war that has ever been fought. There is not choice regarding that.

Killing an infant via abortion is always a choice.

Going to war is a choice. Fighting a ridicules war for political reasons is a choice. Constantly meddling in the affairs of other countries and pissing them off is a choice.

We could of chosen to leave those people alone. I think that would have been the best choice.

 

[Pianomahnn]

War is a reality of the world that we live in. You may not like, and I may not like it, but it simply the way the world works. It's also the way the world has worked for as long as their have been humans. An inescapable fact is that innocents are killed in every war that has ever been fought. There is not choice regarding that.

Killing an infant via abortion is always a choice.



That would be the idea war, but again, there's the real world to contend with.

Oh, oh that was bad. You shouldn't have introduced the "choice" thing.

Everything that is decided upon is a choice. Abortion, a choice. Bombing a village, a choice. Going to war, a choice. Certainly the magnitude of such choices are very different. But, in the end, a choice nonetheless.

Also, perhaps I should throw into the mix, using your own words, that abortion is the "reality of the world that we live in. You may not like, and I may not like it, but it simply the way the world works."

 

[brogers]

I don't think anyone who is against abortion is happy with innocent causalties in war, your analogy is stupid and doesn't prove any point. You are unable to defend abortion so you are trying to switch the subject. This thread isn't about causalties of a war, this is about people killing their unborn children. Try to stay on topic if possible, I know it is difficult. This is very similar to how any topic criticizing a liberal turns into "WELL BUSH DID [insert random thing]"

 

[KelJu]

I do. In my set of values, American lives come first.

And that isn't wrong, I guess. You feel a sense of unity with your fellow countrymen. I don't. I am united to my friends and family, but outside of that I don't care any more about Joe Blow in New York than I do Seuen Blababingado in Bum Fuck Iraq.

 

[Pianomahnn]

Aside from what I've already told KelJu, I'll add this: The infants that are killed in the US are Americans. Those that are killed abroad are not.

I am, first and foremost, concerned with the welfare of my own people.

I understand nationalism. I understand the love for one's own country and people above that of another. I normally tear up during the National Anthem. I cannot understand how life of an unborn, maybe crack addicted, fetus that is currently residing in the crack whore mother's womb is worth more than an already born 5 year old girl.

DOMS, I have to ask this: do you believe in God and the contents of the Bible?

 

[DOMS]

Going to war is a choice.

Yeah, I saw this coming, but I though I'd let you vent first.

There is one crucial difference between war and abortion: We, in truth, have little say over the Washington policy makers (this may be hard for you to accept, but it's the truth), but we do have a choice about abortions being committed in our country.

There are already laws that control the government's ability to go to way, yet here we are...at war. Sometime we even forced to go to war (or simply perform a military action), and innocents will die.

There is no reason that we must allow children to be killed in our own country.

We could of chosen to leave those people alone. I think that would have been the best choice.

Eventually, Saddam would develop nuclear bombs, and do you think they'd have stayed in the Middle East?

 

[DOMS]

I don't think anyone who is against abortion is happy with innocent causalties in war, your analogy is stupid and doesn't prove any point. You are unable to defend abortion so you are trying to switch the subject. This thread isn't about causalties of a war, this is about people killing their unborn children. Try to stay on topic if possible, I know it is difficult. This is very similar to how any topic criticizing a liberal turns into "WELL BUSH DID [insert random thing]"

This is the only tune that liberals can play.

 

[KelJu]

I don't think anyone who is against abortion is happy with innocent causalties in war, your analogy is stupid and doesn't prove any point. You are unable to defend abortion so you are trying to switch the subject. This thread isn't about causalties of a war, this is about people killing their unborn children. Try to stay on topic if possible, I know it is difficult. This is very similar to how any topic criticizing a liberal turns into "WELL BUSH DID [insert random thing]"

Here is a defense. A fetus isn't a thinking emotionally feeling being. It doesn???t think, and it doesn't feel. It isn't finished being made yet. Who cares what happens to something that can't think, or feel emotions. A baby can, but a fetus can not. It is no more alive than a tree is.


"Cogito Ego Sum", I think therefor I am. If you can't think, you don't exist. End of story, debate over.

 

[DOMS]

DOMS, I have to ask this: do you believe in God and the contents of the Bible?

I'm agnostic. Why do you ask?

 

[Pianomahnn]

I'm fairly certain a fetus has some sensory action going on. Not nearly as developed as a 4 year old kid, but still something.

 

[NordicNacho]

Eventually, Saddam would develop nuclear bombs, and do you think they'd have stayed in the Middle East?

He already had them! remember Cheney knows where they are. Since your psychic
can you tell us who else will be developing nuclear weapons in the future

 

[DOMS]

Here is a defense. A fetus isn't a thinking emotionally feeling being. It doesn???t think, and it doesn't feel. It isn't finished being made yet. Who fucking cares what happens to something that can't think, or feel emotions. A baby can, but a fetus can not. It is no more alive than a tree is.


"Cogito Ego Sum", I think therefor I am. If you can't think, you don't exist. End of story, debate over.

Your line of reasoning is flawed. A fetus, if not murdered, will develop into a human. Killing a fetus is to kill a human.

Oh, and a bomb in the air isn't hurting anyone.

 

[Pianomahnn]

I'm agnostic. Why do you ask?

I just wanted to know if you were a Bible banging crazy person, wearing the WWJD wrist band, breaking every commandment there is, etc.

Those people make me giggle. I love their hypocrisy.

 

[DOMS]

He already had them! remember Since your psychic can you tell us who else is developing nuclear weapons

Retarded much?

He didn't have nukes. He tried to make them before, but was stopped by the Israelis. The UN weapons inspectors found his plans to resume his bid to build nukes and they were help prisoner for a time.

 

[KelJu]

Yeah, I saw this coming, but I though I'd let you vent first.

There is one crucial difference between war and abortion: We, in truth, have little say over the Washington policy makers (this may be hard for you to accept, but it's the truth), but we do have a choice about abortions being committed in our country.

There are already laws that control the government's ability to go to way, yet here we are...at war. Sometime we even forced to go to war (or simply perform a military action), and innocents will die.

There is no reason that we must allow children to be killed in our own country.



Eventually, Saddam would develop nuclear bombs, and do you think they'd have stayed in the Middle East?

Vent? I'm not angry. I'm just expressing my opinion.

Your right, I don't have the power to change anything in Washington. But wait, couldn't the same logic be applied to abortion. Aren't both issues voted on in congress? The way I see it, I have the same amount of power to sway the vote of legalizing abortion as I do to stay out of war. I have just 1 vote, which is not much power in the grand scheme of things.

Fetuses are not children, btw.