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It quite simple: drugs cause an excessive change in perception and/or motor abilities by altering your bodies chemistry, possibly with long-term ramifications.

Growing up poor and having nothing, I came to value my mind. Simply because it's something that I could invest in and not have to worry about someone stealing.

So, I said no to shit like drugs a long time ago.

Yeah, I've tried them a couple of times for the experience, but that ended there. The body has a hard enough time growing old without throwing unneeded chemicals into the mix.

I think that some people may need them, but for most, it's nothing more than a crutch for those that can't deal with life.

Do you really believe this??
Yes, I do agree that a lot of drug-abusers use them because they can't deal with life.

But I would go as far as to say that most drug- users are quite the opposite. Most of the guys I know do some kind of drug. Whether it be alcohol, pot, or some kind of pill like xanax or hydrocodone, most people are just looking to have a fun and weird time.

It has nothing to do with depression or anything of that sense. They just do it for fun.

So i can't really see the validation of your post.

It sounds exactly like what most people who have never tried it before, say about it.
 
It sounds exactly like what most people who have never tried it before, say about it.

Or have tried it one time and had a bad experience. Which is probably the overwhelming majority of people that say they have experience with said drug, but choose not to use it because of adverse reactions.

Using something one time, or 10 times even does not make you an authority on a substance.
 
Do you really believe this??

I've seen it. I grew up around that shit. Alcohol, pot, cocaine, and on and on...

You probably have too, but don't realize it for what it is.

How many times have you heard someone say, "I've had a rough day, I need..."?

Yeah, I've seen some people (usually teens and early 20s) do it for fun, but then the real world kicks in and there goes the fun.
 
How many of you work 70 hours this week,and still made it to the gym 5 of the days, while maintaining the strictest eating habits I have ever maintained.
Me me me me! Except my work weeks was 82 hours :(

Someone's gonna give me shit for this post :grin:
 
Or have tried it one time and had a bad experience. Which is probably the overwhelming majority of people that say they have experience with said drug, but choose not to use it because of adverse reactions.

Using something one time, or 10 times even does not make you an authority on a substance.

How about growing up around the shit? Like I've said previously, as a teen, drugs are pretty much recreational, but as an adult, most of what I've seen is a "getting through the day" mentality.

Oh, and all of my drug experiences were pretty damn fun. But they also ended when I was 21.
 
It quite simple: drugs cause an excessive change in perception and/or motor abilities by altering your bodies chemistry, possibly with long-term ramifications.

Growing up poor and having nothing, I came to value my mind. Simply because it's something that I could invest in and not have to worry about someone stealing.

So, I said no to shit like drugs a long time ago.

Yeah, I've tried them a couple of times for the experience, but that ended there. The body has a hard enough time growing old without throwing unneeded chemicals into the mix.

I think that some people may need them, but for most, it's nothing more than a crutch for those that can't deal with life.


This thread has evolved into something interesting so lets just run with it.

You might have a point with the bolded statement, but before I give you that, we must agree on a definition of need.

I say need is an uncontrollable urge or impulse to acquire, use, or do something. I think the key part is uncontrollable. Now, for all intensive purposes lets use myself as the ginny pig. I can without much trouble at all pick up or set down any drug except caffeine. Caffeine is a drug that has played a huge part in my life since I was about 17. I am a coffee junky like many other Americans, and I do not function well without it. I would say that I need caffeine. Caffeine is a crutch.

Now, lets talk pot. I smoked pot everyday since the last day of final exams about a month ago. I smoke everyday as long as it does not interfere with my goals. It hasn't, therefor I have not stopped smoking. The day the fall semester starts, I will stop smoking as I did last semester and my life picks up without skipping a beat. To be honest, I will probably be sick of pot by then anyway. After being high becomes the norm, you go back to reality for a change. It really just amounts to boredom really. I am not smoking weed to deal with the pressures of life, but the opposite. I am smoking to enhance my enjoyment of my time away from the stresses of school. I would say pot is not a crutch.

Now then, lets talk about the harder stuff. I haven't touched anything harder than pot in over a year. Not because I had to quite or because drugs were adversely effecting my life, but simply because the cost benefit of doing those drugs was not acceptable. I would cost me money, time, for both doing the drug and recuperation, then it would hurt my gains in the gym. Those drugs are terrible for making gains, so I just didn't bother.

Lets go a little bit farther. Lets talk about the drug that everybody on this site is addicted to. Thats right baby, endorphins. The grand daddy of drugs. You can't buy them on the street. You can't get them from your local pharmacy. There is only one way to get them, and that is to work your mofo ass off in the gym. They have no comedown, ill effects, or sire effects. But, they do have withdrawal effects. If I don't workout for a certain amount of time I start to become depressed, lazy, and start to have trouble sleeping and a whole host of other problems. I would say most of the people on this board also have these issues. I am stepping out on a limb, but I would say at least half of the board members are endorphin junkies.

Do ya'll see what I am getting at here? Please somebody say that get it.
 
I use to smoke a lot as well as other rec. drugs. It was 10 years ago exactly that I swore to never touch it again and I haven't. I can't stand the smell of it now either. I wasn't a heavy user but used enough to ruin my judgment at critical times. I wish I could go back in time and I'd change it all around and I would never use any drug ever.
 
Me me me me! Except my work weeks was 82 hours :(

Someone's gonna give me shit for this post :grin:

Nay, I know you are a hard working broad. I wasn't trying to brag or complain either. I am proud of my work ethic, but I was making the point that people automatically assume pot makes people dumb and lazy when that is not the case.
 
How about growing up around the shit? Like I've said previously, as a teen, drugs are pretty much recreational, but as an adult, most of what I've seen is a "getting through the day" mentality.

Oh, and all of my drug experiences were pretty damn fun. But they also ended when I was 21.

Nope. Still doesn't make you an authority.

I grew up around the shit too and most of my friends are fuck-ups. Much like you I was extremely anti-drugs growing up because of how shitty my friends that did them were turning out. I was an honors student and I felt that I couldn't function at that level with drugs in my life.

Boy was I wrong.

At the age of 17 I decided I was old enough to make a decision on my own and I tried weed for the first time. Well what do ya know, I found out I could still function at the level I expected from myself AND smoke weed at the same time. No shit?!?

At that point I felt like a total schmuck because I had been blaming weed all these years for making some of my friends losers when they were losers the whole time, they just happened to smoke too.

Bottom line is, it depends on the user 100%. If you feel you can't function at a productive level and do drugs, thats good. At least you figured that out for yourself because most don't.

I for one can, and won't have someone tell me otherwise, neither will my boss. He's the last person you would suspect smokes weed. One because he's a 5'4" metrosexual, and 2 because he owns a multi-million dollar company that he did all the leg work to get going.

Soooo... Unless you smoke every day and deal with functioning on weed all the time, you can't call yourself an authority on the subject. Not even close.
 
Ok, that show i mentioned was from the UK, so i'm not sure how authentic it was.

However, having first hand driven on most shit, and in various degrees of fuckedness, i cannot agree that drugs increase driving skill. Especially weed and alcohol. Weed can make you trip out with oncoming headlights at night. Add some rain on the windscreen, and it can almost hit speed trail style. Not good, but this was me personally, evidence would suggest otherwise, but who's to say that certain drugs don't make people a better driver???
 
I look more at is from a health perspective. Does anyone know what organ will take the abuse from recreational drugs? The liver! At your young ages your liver is still ok but you have to realize that years of abuse on your liver and you WILL develop a fatty liver. Then you can say goodbye to all your hard work in the gym and to many of lifes little pleasures. My point.......understand now the abuse you are doing to your body and what the years of abuse will do to you in the long run. It's just like an alcoholic and it's actually called non-alcoholics fatty liver disease. The prevention and cure is healthy lifestyle. No drugs, no tobacco, no alcohol and no stress.......of course that is if you are not already too late and past the fatty liver stage and heading to cirrhosis, then you're just fucked!
 
I say need is an uncontrollable urge or impulse to acquire, use, or do something. I think the key part is uncontrollable.

It's more than just the addictive nature. It's also the immediate affects of the drug on the body, as well as the long-term affects.

The body wears out under it's own chemical, and mechanical, processes, why add to it?


Lets go a little bit farther. Lets talk about the drug that everybody on this site is addicted to. Thats right baby, endorphins.

The major difference, that you seem to be ignoring, is that endorphin is neither an exogenous substance and is controlled by homeostasis. Neither of which are true of TCH and the like.

Do ya'll see what I am getting at here? Please somebody say that get it.

Yes, you're trying to make a connection between a natural (body created) drug and man-made chemicals. You're also trying to make small steps from low-end stuff like caffeine all the way up to stuff like cocaine. That's like trying to make steps from a punch up to a gun. That's not really sound reasoning.

Again, let's see how drug use is serving you as you enter into your late 20s and beyond.
 
I look more at is from a health perspective. Does anyone know what organ will take the abuse from recreational drugs? The liver! At your young ages your liver is still ok but you have to realize that years of abuse on your liver and you WILL develop a fatty liver. Then you can say goodbye to all your hard work in the gym and to many of lifes little pleasures. My point.......understand now the abuse you are doing to your body and what the years of abuse will do to you in the long run. It's just like an alcoholic and it's actually called non-alcoholics fatty liver disease. The prevention and cure is healthy lifestyle. No drugs, no tobacco, no alcohol and no stress.......of course that is if you are not already too late and past the fatty liver stage and heading to cirrhosis, then you're just fucked!

Link for a study on marijuana's effect on the liver? I'd love to see that one.
 
Nope. Still doesn't make you an authority.

I could give a rat's ass about being an authority. I'm talking about real-world experiences.



Well what do ya know, I found out I could still function at the level I expected from myself AND smoke weed at the same time. No shit?!?

That's just it, when your on a drug, you are not yourself. Not matter how much you tell yourself you are. If you were really yourself, why bother doing the drugs. :bulb:
 
I could give a rat's ass about being an authority. I'm talking about real-world experiences.

Ok so you're not an authority, and you have no real world experiences (which weren't yours to begin with) in over a decade.

Why are you in this thread again?
 
Ok so you're not an authority, and you have no real world experiences (which weren't yours to begin with) in over a decade.

Why are you in this thread again?

To point out that I've seen (empirical) that people are more likely (as they get older) to use drugs as a crutch rather than for recreation.

I'm also here enjoying how you skipped over the second part of my post.
 
To point out that I've seen (empirical) that people are more likely (as they get older) to use drugs as a crutch rather than for recreation.

I'm also here enjoying how you skipped over the second part of my post.

I skipped over it because its speculative bullshit.
 
I skipped over it because its speculative bullshit.

To I make it too complex?

You said you could be yourself on drugs. I simply pointed out that if you were yourself while on drugs, why take them?

Sorry, but I can't dumb it down any more than that. :shrug:
 
To I make it too complex?

You said you could be yourself on drugs. I simply pointed out that if you were yourself while on drugs, why take them?

Sorry, but I can't dumb it down any more than that. :shrug:

What are you even talking about?

You just like to watch yourself type I think.


I am no different on weed than off it other than I am probably less likely to choke the shit out of a wise ass after a bowl rip. ;)
 
Yes, you're trying to make a connection between a natural (body created) drug and man-made chemicals. You're also trying to make small steps from low-end stuff like caffeine all the way up to stuff like cocaine. That's like trying to make steps from a punch up to a gun. That's not really sound reasoning.

Again, let's see how drug use is serving you as you enter into your late 20s and beyond.

You missed my comparison. I wasn't comparing the overall power of the drug. I was comparing my need of the drug. I need caffeine. I need the chemical release I get when I workout. I do not need pot or any other illegal drug. Thats what I am saying. Really all of that post I made was just about need, not power.
 
If you're no different, then why do you take drugs?

I don't "take drugs."


I smoke marijuana.

If it wasn't for hemp being such a competitor to tobacco back in the days of the cash crops, this wouldn't even be a discussion.
 
I am no different on weed than off it other than I am probably less likely to choke the shit out of a wise ass after a bowl rip. ;)
Then you should look into nootropics not illicit drugs. :shrug:

Theanine is a great one!
 

That just mentions that they did a study and marijuana was included in the study. :hmmm:

Can you link the actual study instead of a link that says there was one?

I don't feel like subscribing to the site.....

Plus I'd feel better if it was somewhat recent.


While the adverse neurological, cardiovascular, renal, haematologic and musculoskeletal consequences of the use of various illicit substances are widely appreciated, less attention has been directed to possible hepatotoxic effects. This is an important issue in view of increasing evidence in both experimental animals and humans that the use of some illicit substances may be associated with substantial liver damage, leading on occasion to acute liver failure. This manuscript reviews the effects on the liver of some of the most commonly used illicit substances, including ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine), other amphetamines, cocaine, heroin, angel dust (phencyclidine), lysergic acid diethylamide and marijuana. Additional causes of liver damage in those using illicit substances are discussed.
 
That just mentions that they did a study and marijuana was included in the study. :hmmm:

Can you link the actual study instead of a link that says there was one?

I don't feel like subscribing to the site.....

Plus I'd feel better if it was somewhat recent.
:shrug: I did link the study.
 
And this relates to my question...how?

This post brought to you by the letter 'E', for emphysema.

DOMS, you think you are so clever, but all you do is talk in circles. :blah:
 
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