Extremely chilling story(news)

[juggernaut]

just thinkin about that gives me goosebumps.......you have been watchin "saw 3 " before you posted that havent you?

No. I'm a high school special ed teacher. Love those movies though.

 

[KelJu]

it is not irrational to want to kill someone that harms you or your loved ones. it is absolutely rational, normal, and a necessary emotion. if we had no instinctive desire to fight for the safety and protection of ourselves and our family we wouldn't have survived this long. wanting to rid the planet of human parasites that prey on our families is completely rational.

My thoughts exactly.]

 

[juggernaut]

 

[Plateau_Max]

it is not irrational to want to kill someone that harms you or your loved ones. it is absolutely rational, normal, and a necessary emotion. if we had no instinctive desire to fight for the safety and protection of ourselves and our family we wouldn't have survived this long. wanting to rid the planet of human parasites that prey on our families is completely rational.

No. If you've been through something like that you're not going to be thinking rationally. It's understandable to scream lynch mob when something like that happens to you which is exactly why it's NOT YOU that needs to be making the call.

Again. It's not up to us to decide who lives or dies. The question "if not us then who?" is rediculous. NOBODY is to decide. If we allowed capital punishment then who are we going to appoint as our all knowing source of deciding what crimes make the cut? Some people are going to be more extreme and want to hang purse snatchers, others might see some crimes as necessity and give the person another chance.... this isn't something you can put in the hands of people, period.

Lastly. If some guy brutally raped an murdered a member of my family, and damn near murdered me... I would take great satisfaction in knowing he'd spend the rest of his life NEVER being allowed the opportunity to walk amongst us, eat a gourmet meal, make love to a beautiful woman, etc, and also knowing he'd be working his ever loving guts out every hour of every day without getting paid.

Sit in a chair and die painlessly? No, work your ass off for the next 70 years without getting paid and living in a cramped cell making shit sold to me for dirt cheap... that's more like it.

 

[BoneCrusher]

With hellish crimes like this occurring, and the power of the media to broadcast it, who knows when the general population would accept a government with the power to routinely execute people, bypassing the bureaucratic measures that slow down capital punishment. Maybe one day one of you will end up on the green mile an innocent person. Will you then regret your cries for bloodshed and vengeance? I think so.

My thinking is that even imprisonment is a necessary evil. Some people are a threat to society and have to be put away, fine. But how could anybody argue for capital punishment? The whole process of execution costs you more tax dollars than life imprisonment. Flaw in the system? "Just do away with them quick and easy"? That's leaning dangerously close to fascism. Totally unacceptable.

Look at all of you, demanding torture and execution. You're crazy! Think for a second will you?

I'm in agreement with you on our system's inability to sort out who done it and who didn't. Even when we do know, we still seem to find a way to screw it up somehow. But we do have cases where we do know who done it. Cases like this. So, at this point we come to a matter of social consciencious. Your major objection is based on your morality and perspectives. That's to be expected and I don't question your right to have your feet planted firmly on a higher moral ground. Buuuuut that is what it is really, your personal perspective. Mine and yours are not the same. I'm not crazy, I'm just not wired up the same as you. I want to see the killers and rapists of the world executed. That is justice IMHO. Anything less is a failure of our system to the victims AND the society this system is supposed to protect.

If I were that person you speak of, a person who somehow stepped into the twilight-zone, I would want some kind of help. I would still feel the same as I do now though. I disagree with the death penalty as it is now being exercised. We have murdered innocent people; however, I do believe in the death penalty in those cases where guilt is beyond question. It's an intrinsic part of justice. The victims need closure, society needs a consequence with finality, and the innocent need the protections that the finality of death provide. We have too many cases where the convicted murderer completed the sentence, was released, then went on to kill multiple times.

If there was just a way to short cut this entire process and get right to the execution phase in those instances when we know with absolute certainty we have the right guy ...

 

[juggernaut]

No. If you've been through something like that you're not going to be thinking rationally. It's understandable to scream lynch mob when something like that happens to you which is exactly why it's NOT YOU that needs to be making the call.

Again. It's not up to us to decide who lives or dies. The question "if not us then who?" is rediculous. NOBODY is to decide. If we allowed capital punishment then who are we going to appoint as our all knowing source of deciding what crimes make the cut? Some people are going to be more extreme and want to hang purse snatchers, others might see some crimes as necessity and give the person another chance.... this isn't something you can put in the hands of people, period.

Lastly. If some guy brutally raped an murdered a member of my family, and damn near murdered me... I would take great satisfaction in knowing he'd spend the rest of his life NEVER being allowed the opportunity to walk amongst us, eat a gourmet meal, make love to a beautiful woman, etc, and also knowing he'd be working his ever loving guts out every hour of every day without getting paid.

Sit in a chair and die painlessly? No, work your ass off for the next 70 years without getting paid and living in a cramped cell making shit sold to me for dirt cheap... that's more like it.

YouTube - The Punisher - Warzone

 

[Little Wing]

No. If you've been through something like that you're not going to be thinking rationally. It's understandable to scream lynch mob when something like that happens to you which is exactly why it's NOT YOU that needs to be making the call.

Again. It's not up to us to decide who lives or dies. The question "if not us then who?" is rediculous. NOBODY is to decide. If we allowed capital punishment then who are we going to appoint as our all knowing source of deciding what crimes make the cut? Some people are going to be more extreme and want to hang purse snatchers, others might see some crimes as necessity and give the person another chance.... this isn't something you can put in the hands of people, period.

Lastly. If some guy brutally raped an murdered a member of my family, and damn near murdered me... I would take great satisfaction in knowing he'd spend the rest of his life NEVER being allowed the opportunity to walk amongst us, eat a gourmet meal, make love to a beautiful woman, etc, and also knowing he'd be working his ever loving guts out every hour of every day without getting paid.

Sit in a chair and die painlessly? No, work your ass off for the next 70 years without getting paid and living in a cramped cell making shit sold to me for dirt cheap... that's more like it.

i haven't been through anything like that and i am thinking rationally. violent criminals are a burden on society and always will be. prisons are nothing but a futile exercise in shoveling money into a bottomless hole. the only way to stop crime in this country from continuing to gather momentum is to scare the fuck out of would be criminals and exterminate people who are worthless to society. a warm place to sleep and 3 meals a day, even doing hard labor, obviously is not enough of a deterrent. it's time to stop fucking around but noooooo all we do is throw scum like that in prison and secretly, or not so secretly, hope the other prisoners will kill them.

 

[juggernaut]

i haven't been through anything like that and i am thinking rationally. violent criminals are a burden on society and always will be. prisons are nothing but a futile exercise in shoveling money into a bottomless hole. the only way to stop crime in this country from continuing to gather momentum is to scare the fuck out of would be criminals and exterminate people who are worthless to society. a warm place to sleep and 3 meals a day, even doing hard labor, obviously is not enough of a deterrent. it's time to stop fucking around but noooooo all we do is throw scum like that in prison and secretly, or not so secretly, hope the other prisoners will kill them.

 

[Witmaster]

With hellish crimes like this occurring, and the power of the media to broadcast it, who knows when the general population would accept a government with the power to routinely execute people, bypassing the bureaucratic measures that slow down capital punishment. Maybe one day one of you will end up on the green mile an innocent person. Will you then regret your cries for bloodshed and vengeance? I think so.

My thinking is that even imprisonment is a necessary evil. Some people are a threat to society and have to be put away, fine. But how could anybody argue for capital punishment? The whole process of execution costs you more tax dollars than life imprisonment. Flaw in the system? "Just do away with them quick and easy"? That's leaning dangerously close to fascism. Totally unacceptable.

Look at all of you, demanding torture and execution. You're crazy! Think for a second will you?

You'll make a fine card-carrying member of the ACLU (American Criminal Lovers Union) one day.... if you're not already.



People say what they FEEL. Not necessarily what they believe. Stop waving that self-righteous duddly-do-right bullshit and get emotional like the rest of us!

 

[Witmaster]

Again. It's not up to us to decide who lives or dies. .... this isn't something you can put in the hands of people, period.

Oh like hell.....

Prisons are so over-crowded now it's crazy to think extending sentences and labor-loads would do any real good. Just look how well this rationale is working today!?!

Ironically, the same people (like yourself) who demand we put an end to capital punishment are the same people lobbying for prisoner's rights for better accommodations and "rehabilitation programs".

I say a 5-cent bullet to the back of the head cuts straight to the point and is a helluva lot cheaper.

 

[juggernaut]

personally, if I was able to make a change in the way society does things, I'd let the family decide the fate.

 

[Witmaster]

personally, if I was able to make a change in the way society does things, I'd let the family decide the fate.

Interesting that you should bring this up....

When I was deployed to southern Bosnia/[SIZE=-1]Herzegovina I witnessed an execution of a rapist.

The man had raped a 14 year-old Muslim girl. He was tried and convicted by a group of town elders. He was then chained (publicly) to a wall and AK-47s with full mags were handed to the Father and two brothers of the victim.

Needless to say, they don't have a lot of rapes occurring in that little town anymore.
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[Triple Threat]

When I was deployed to southern Bosnia/[SIZE=-1]Herzegovina I witnessed an execution of a rapist.

The man had raped a 14 year-old Muslim girl. He was tried and convicted by a group of town elders. He was then chained (publicly) to a wall and AK-47s with full mags were handed to the Father and two brothers of the victim.
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Were the family members given the option of using the guns or not?

 

[kcoleman]

You'll make a fine card-carrying member of the ACLU (American Criminal Lovers Union) one day.... if you're not already.



People say what they FEEL. Not necessarily what they believe. Stop waving that self-righteous duddly-do-right bullshit and get emotional like the rest of us!

I read the article. It upset me quite a lot, it's probably the most disgusting crime like that I've heard about. But all the comments you people made are disturbing in their own right. Something tells me some of you would feel more comfortable in Nazi Germany than a free democratic society.

 

[kcoleman]

we accept a criminal element that "routinely execute(s)" people now. we accept it by allowing murderers to live. we live in a country where our children are "routinely" kidnapped, raped, murdered, where it is "normal" to hear about people committing heinous crimes. it shouldn't cost so much to exterminate people who cannot or will not conduct themselves in a civilized manner. if you are a threat to society and the safety of other citizens you should die. millions of jobs should not be taken from the rest of us to keep you alive. if you are seen punching an elderly woman in the face and taking her purse, caught on camera no less, bang you're dead for the price of a bullet and good riddance. over population is a problem, the world would be better off without needing to feed, house, provide the energy for and dispose of the waste produced by human vermin.

Uhhh, you quoted and replied to half a sentence. The sentence clearly means something different when you take what I put after the comma into consideration. You'd make a fine propagandist =)

 

[DOMS]

I read the article. It upset me quite a lot, it's probably the most disgusting crime like that I've heard about. But all the comments you people made are disturbing in their own right. Something tells me some of you would feel more comfortable in Nazi Germany than a free democratic society.

It's because of ass-hats like you that criminals in the US have practically no fear of the legal system.

I'm willing to bet that the execution of Tookie Williams bothered you.

 

[MGorgon]

And how many innocent HUMAN BEINGS are "legally" sentenced to die every single day in this world? The government decides this, and they represent us. Not everybody is in favor of the death penalty, so in effect, the government is executing innocent human beings in YOUR NAME, if you agree with it or not. If even ONE innocent person dies "legally", that makes all of us accountable, does it not?

Or is innocent life worth it in the fight against crime? Look at the crime rates, they are HIGHER in states with capital punishment. Have some human dignity and put the criminals behind bars, where they won't get the easy way out.

 

[DOMS]

And how many innocent HUMAN BEINGS are "legally" sentenced to die every single day in this world? The government decides this, and they represent us. Not everybody is in favor of the death penalty, so in effect, the government is executing innocent human beings in YOUR NAME, if you agree with it or not. If even ONE innocent person dies "legally", that makes all of us accountable, does it not?

Or is innocent life worth it in the fight against crime? Look at the crime rates, they are HIGHER in states with capital punishment. Have some human dignity and put the criminals behind bars, where they won't get the easy way out.

You're right, the legal system isn't perfect. Let's get rid of it.

I'm glad you cleared that up.

 

[MGorgon]

It's because of ass-hats like you that criminals in the US have practically no fear of the legal system.

I'm willing to bet that the execution of Tookie Williams bothered you.

While cases like his are an open-shut guilty verdict, it's the principle that counts. 99% of other crimes are NOT open-shut. We can't just base the law on 1% of the crimes, can we?

Keep your blood-lusting attitudes out of Canada please, I'm glad we don't have the death penalty any more.

 

[DOMS]

While cases like his are an open-shut guilty verdict, it's the principle that counts. 99% of other crimes are NOT open-shut. We can't just base the law on 1% of the crimes, can we?

Keep your blood-lusting attitudes out of Canada please, I'm glad we don't have the death penalty any more.

But you have life-sentences, don't you? Oh, it's s-o-o-o much better to let a an innocent man rot in jail for 80s years...

Since an innocent man could get sentenced to life, you'll need to get rid of that too.

 

[kcoleman]

Michael Moore makes a really good point in his documentary, "Bowling for Columbine". Crime rates across the US have been declining, yet media coverage of crime has gone up something like 600%. You people live in such fear. No wonder you express such zealotry =/

I'm not standing on a moral high ground here. The fact is that in a criminal justice system, innumerable lines have to be drawn. Severity of crimes and sentences imposed. Doesn't your system take upwards of like 20 years to execute somebody? And even then, innocent people are executed in your system. You really want to speed things up and see more innocent people dead?

I know, some of you are arguing for the death penalty only in cases where guilt is unequivocal and the crime is beyond heinous, but what you're doing is letting your emotions dictate WHERE the lines are drawn. Abolish the death penalty, lock up murderers for life, that should be enough to satisfy your peace of mind.

 

[kcoleman]

But you have life-sentences, don't you? Oh, it's s-o-o-o much better to let a an innocent man rot in jail for 80s years...

Since an innocent man could get sentenced to life, you'll need to get rid of that too.

At least with life imprisonment there is the possibility for new evidence to come into light that could reverse the verdict.

 

[KelJu]

I read the article. It upset me quite a lot, it's probably the most disgusting crime like that I've heard about. But all the comments you people made are disturbing in their own right. Something tells me some of you would feel more comfortable in Nazi Germany than a free democratic society.

I think we are all good people on this site. I think you and I probably felt the same when we read that horrific story. Lets not turn this into a flame war, and I'll try to chill out and debate the argument rather than the person.


From what I gather, you think they should be removed for society, but not execute them. Am I right? If so, what should we do with them? It is not fair to the American people to spend tax money on these monsters. It is not fair to the victims to give these monsters 3 meals a day and a warm place to sleep. It is a slap to the face. Can you feel me on this?

I feel they deserve to die a cheap death...maybe a gunshot through the heart and the temple. They will die instantly. They will not feel a fraction of the pain they gave to their victims. That is as human as it gets. Cheap, quick, and painless.


You never answered my question. Close your eyes, and try to imagaine your mother being brutally raped over and over by a gang of thugs. I don't knwo if you have a little bother, but try to visualize them making him take part via gunpoint. Try to imagine when it is all over how that boy and mother will never be the same. They will be traumatized, and their lives might be destroyed forever. Imagine how they feel towards their country and government when they find out that these thugs fell no remorse and will be housed, clothed, and fed on their own tax money.

I have a stellar imagination. I don't even want to, but when I read that story, I could feel a some of what happened to them. Its sympathy. Do you sympathize with them? Can you feel any of their pain?

I want you to just try it, and when your done, I want to know how you feel.

 

[KelJu]

But you have life-sentences, don't you? Oh, it's s-o-o-o much better to let a an innocent man rot in jail for 80s years...

Since an innocent man could get sentenced to life, you'll need to get rid of that too.

Fuck that, lets carry it farther. since we can never be sure of any verdict at all, why even have a justice system, since its not worth the risk to convict an innocent person. Lets just all run wild and rape, pillage, murder, and destroy.

 

[DOMS]

Michael Moore makes a really good point in his documentary, "Bowling for Columbine". Crime rates across the US have been declining, yet media coverage of crime has gone up something like 600%. You people live in such fear. No wonder you express such zealotry =/

I'm not "living in fear". You're the one who's giving into the media's lies. I spent the last 5 days in L.A. None of the people that I talked to were really worried about crime. Well, other than the affect that the Mexicans are having on it.

I'm not standing on a moral high ground here. The fact is that in a criminal justice system, innumerable lines have to be drawn. Severity of crimes and sentences imposed. Doesn't your system take upwards of like 20 years to execute somebody? And even then, innocent people are executed in your system. You really want to speed things up and see more innocent people dead?

The death penalty holds little fear in this nation for it's very sluggishness.

Again, you're ignoring the fact that an innocent man can get sentenced to life. That's up to 80 years of confinement. But it's not death, so it's okay then?

I know, some of you are arguing for the death penalty only in cases where guilt is unequivocal and the crime is beyond heinous, but what you're doing is letting your emotions dictate WHERE the lines are drawn. Abolish the death penalty, lock up murderers for life, that should be enough to satisfy your peace of mind.

So, where should we draw the line? How about we just set the limit of time in a jail for any crime to 5 years? That way, even if an innocent man is found guilty, he'll only lose 5 years.

R-i-i-i-ght...

 

[DOMS]

Fuck that, lets carry it farther. since we can never be sure of any verdict at all, why even have a justice system, since its not worth the risk to convict an innocent person. Lets just all run wild and rape, pillage, murder, and destroy.

I knew you'd find the solution, KelJu. My recommendation of 5 years was just too tough.

 

[MGorgon]

I think we are all good people on this site. I think you and I probably felt the same when we read that horrific story. Lets not turn this into a flame war, and I'll try to chill out and debate the argument rather than the person.


From what I gather, you think they should be removed for society, but not execute them. Am I right? If so, what should we do with them? It is not fair to the American people to spend tax money on these monsters. It is not fair to the victims to give these monsters 3 meals a day and a warm place to sleep. It is a slap to the face. Can you feel me on this?

I feel they deserve to die a cheap death...maybe a gunshot through the heart and the temple. They will die instantly. They will not feel a fraction of the pain they gave to their victims. That is as human as it gets. Cheap, quick, and painless.


You never answered my question. Close your eyes, and try to imagaine your mother being brutally raped over and over by a gang of thugs. I don't knwo if you have a little bother, but try to visualize them making him take part via gunpoint. Try to imagine when it is all over how that boy and mother will never be the same. They will be traumatized, and their lives might be destroyed forever. Imagine how they feel towards their country and government when they find out that these thugs fell no remorse and will be housed, clothed, and fed on their own tax money.

I have a stellar imagination. I don't even want to, but when I read that story, I could feel a some of what happened to them. Its sympathy. Do you sympathize with them? Can you feel any of their pain?

I want you to just try it, and when your done, I want to know how you feel.

That is EXACTLY why the victims should not be the ones dispensing justice. Put yourself in the shoes of the man on death row for a second, you're totally, completely innocent. You knew none of the people involved, weren't anywhere near the scene, yet somehow they've got you locked into a guilty verdict. This isn't a crazy scenario, it happens very often, probably far more often then we will ever know.

How would YOU feel? Or are you willing to sacrifice yourself for this self-righteous cause of blood lust.

 

[kcoleman]

I think we are all good people on this site. I think you and I probably felt the same when we read that horrific story. Lets not turn this into a flame war, and I'll try to chill out and debate the argument rather than the person.


From what I gather, you think they should be removed for society, but not execute them. Am I right? If so, what should we do with them? It is not fair to the American people to spend tax money on these monsters. It is not fair to the victims to give these monsters 3 meals a day and a warm place to sleep. It is a slap to the face. Can you feel me on this?

I feel they deserve to die a cheap death...maybe a gunshot through the heart and the temple. They will die instantly. They will not feel a fraction of the pain they gave to their victims. That is as human as it gets. Cheap, quick, and painless.


You never answered my question. Close your eyes, and try to imagaine your mother being brutally raped over and over by a gang of thugs. I don't knwo if you have a little bother, but try to visualize them making him take part via gunpoint. Try to imagine when it is all over how that boy and mother will never be the same. They will be traumatized, and their lives might be destroyed forever. Imagine how they feel towards their country and government when they find out that these thugs fell no remorse and will be housed, clothed, and fed on their own tax money.

I have a stellar imagination. I don't even want to, but when I read that story, I could feel a some of what happened to them. Its sympathy. Do you sympathize with them? Can you feel any of their pain?

I want you to just try it, and when your done, I want to know how you feel.

Believe me when I say I felt the exact same as you when I read that article. I took a few moments after reading it imagining myself in that type of situation. I have a pretty vivid imagination also. But I still stand by my convictions. That's what being a free thinker is all about.

 

[Little Wing]

Michael Moore makes a really good point in his documentary, "Bowling for Columbine". Crime rates across the US have been declining, yet media coverage of crime has gone up something like 600%. You people live in such fear. No wonder you express such zealotry =/

I'm not standing on a moral high ground here. The fact is that in a criminal justice system, innumerable lines have to be drawn. Severity of crimes and sentences imposed. Doesn't your system take upwards of like 20 years to execute somebody? And even then, innocent people are executed in your system. You really want to speed things up and see more innocent people dead?

I know, some of you are arguing for the death penalty only in cases where guilt is unequivocal and the crime is beyond heinous, but what you're doing is letting your emotions dictate WHERE the lines are drawn. Abolish the death penalty, lock up murderers for life, that should be enough to satisfy your peace of mind.

how about we lock our unreformable prisoners up in canada and you bleeding hearts can nurture them and baby them at your expense the rest of their lives? even if an occasional innocent person was wrongly convicted getting tough on crime would keep many more innocent people alive. those would be the victims but we aren't supposed to be considering them here right?

 

[kcoleman]

how about we lock our unreformable prisoners up in canada and you bleeding hearts can nurture them and baby them at your expense the rest of their lives? even if an occasional innocent person was wrongly convicted getting tough on crime would keep many more innocent people alive. those would be the victims but we aren't supposed to be considering them here right?

Please, think about where you would be today if it were not for the "bleeding hearts". Maybe you wouldn't have to be bothered to see black people sitting at the front of the bus.

It's better that 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent man be imprisoned.