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Hey Katt i know this may be a stupid question but do women need to do PCT?
 
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Hey Katt i know this may be a stupid question but do women need to do PCT?
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I honestly don't know,,

As you probably are aware,,, there are not many women around here that I could even ask that question... :(

It's a good question though,,, I should figure that one out.
 
Katt lookin good in here damn nice work!

I was thinking of doing a cycle of something but with my job and all its a little risky. Plus the shoulder injury not sure how that would all work out!

I would def check on your PCT though you may need something to bounce back into proper production and that really shoulda been sorted out pre cycle...cmon now :p
 
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Katt lookin good in here damn nice work!

I was thinking of doing a cycle of something but with my job and all its a little risky. Plus the shoulder injury not sure how that would all work out!

I would def check on your PCT though you may need something to bounce back into proper production and that really shoulda been sorted out pre cycle...cmon now :p
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I know, I know...I'm still new at this! I realize that's not an excuse, but I'll use it anyway...

I tried to get into another journal area that was mainly gals... but was told that it was "full"... .. :confused:
 
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I tried to get into another journal area that was mainly gals... but was told that it was "full"... .. :confused:
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Well F them then LOL... you could check out anabolicminds.com and do a search or simply post and find out alot of info. There are a ton of sights you can get quality info from so enjoy reading :p

If I reach my goals this fall of cutting down and I get hired I will look into my cycle more seriously. We can cycle together :roflmao:
 
Katt, please don't do AS. You are beautiful right now, why risk it?
 
pretty soon im going to have to post for a woman to sleep with, because she is going to be bigger than i am, and that aint right. i cant even armwrestle for the remote any more. fucking watching life time movies all weekend long sucks.:loser:
 
Why would a woman need PCT?... In general (99%) women produce a very small amount of endogenous test. Not to mention she doesnt have to worry about "nut shrinkage." :)

Honestly, I would almost rather run AAS on a cut. Maintain that hard earned muscle.

Where was this other journal at?

:roflmao: @ Lifetime movies all weekend!
 
Today's wo - I'm rushed today - no time to post on other journals before work

Incline DB Press
(42.5) 1x8
(52.5) 1x8
(55) 1x7

Flat DB Bench
(42.5) 1X8
(52.5) 1X8
(55) 1X8

Pec Dec
(90) 1x12
(110) 1x10
(130) 1x8

Tricep push downs - double pulley
(100) 1x8
(120) 1x10
(130) 1x10
(150) 1x7

DB kick backs
(17.5) 1x8
(20) 1x8
(22.5) 1x7

One set of bw dips 1x8

My hubby didn't think I was working hard enough the morning,, hence the 4th set of pushdowns.. :p

Cardio tonight!

Muscle - I agree with you on running the aas on a cut.. the anavar would definitely be helpful in keeping my mass...
 
very nice way to start your day, Katt!
 
Shit are you serious 55s? Dam i incline bench like 60X8!
 
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I know... crazy huh! I was telling one of the other gals there today that I'm seriously going to hurt myself one day....
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Don't say that, especially when it seems as if you're repping the weight you say might hurt you.

Awesome workouts, kid-o.
 
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pretty soon im going to have to post for a woman to sleep with, because she is going to be bigger than i am, and that aint right. i cant even armwrestle for the remote any more. fucking watching life time movies all weekend long sucks.:loser:
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:roflmao: That was good.

Without a doubt, women do not need pct.
 
Katt, here is some info I copied from FC's. I don't think she will care. It is three girls posts on anavar cycles and sides/benefits from it. Hope this helps!

03-15-2006, 08:49 PM
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Anavar

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Trade/Brand Names: Oxandrin, Oxandrolone
abbreviation: var


Compound name: Anavar

Brand: (used various) Loeffler, Denkall, QV

Dose: beginning dose 2.5mg a day; 10mg a day split; ramp down

Duration of cycle: 8 weeks (two cycles), 12 weeks, 20 weeks* (with ramp up/down)

Sides: increased facial hair, voice changes at higher dosages, some acne, increased hunger, water retention with some brands

Benefits: increased recovery, hardening, muscle density, muscle growth, modest strength growth

Overall summation: First two cycles listed were run alone with slight ramp up at the beginning and no ramp down. Third cycle had a slow ramp up and slow ramp down.

First cycle (8 weeks) - Loeffler: I was somewhat disappointed in my first anavar cycle. I am a SLOW responder and did not see any changes in my visual appearance nor strength until about week 8. Additionally, I was not eating enough calories to support growth and still doing cardio during the cycle. I started at 2.5, went to 5 and then to 10mg a day...held about 5lbs or water throughout cycle. No acne, no voice changes -- just the facial hair issue (faded post cycle). I did get some hardness and strength increases -- but the cycle was over before it started. Hardness and strength increases disappeared post cycle. Some minimal estrogenic rebounding occurred.


Second cycle (12 weeks) - Loeffler/Denkall: started at 2.5mg a day; then 5mg a day (split) then 10mg (split) -- briefly went to 15mg but the voice and acne issue became very evident. Again -- some facial hair but easily managed and faded post cycle. Visual changes began at week 8; density added to muscle, moderate strength increases and modest growth. Weight did not seem to change on the scale -- but the body got tighter and harder and looking more compact. Calories were (for me) fairly high and somewhat clean. Water weight dropped on this cycle when I switched to Denkall after running out of Loeffler. This is when I realized that after one var cycle and after one winny cycle -- that I needed at least 10 weeks of cycling as I tended to get results much slower. Noticed post cycle, some minimal estrogenic type rebound.


Third cycle (20 weeks) - Quality Vet: ramped up 2.5mg every week until 10mg; also hit a 4 week ramp down. *This cycle also had two 3-week winny 'bursts' - comments are based only on anavar only portion. Running this cycle produced the most results. Eating was abundant but clean -- towards the end of the cycle -- caloric intake was reduced. No cardio at all. No water retention, no voice issues, very little in terms of facial hair activity (I believe the slow ramp up helped acclimate the body). Nice muscle gains and fullness that remained post cycle. No estrogenic rebound post cycle (ramped down 2.5 mg a week for 4 weeks).


Fourth cycle (8 weeks)- Quality Vet: ramped up 2.5mg a day until 10mg a day. Ran cycle only for 8 weeks and stopped because I had breast augmentation surgery. Nothing to report.


In my opinion, anavar is a great first cycle as the sides that affected me were very manageable and faded post cycle. Good gains, good hardness, good density. The longer cycle (3rd) produced some help with leaning out in terms of muscle sparing during calorie restricted mode.
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Brand:Orbit

Dose: 10-30mg

Duration of cycle(s): 10-16 weeks

sides: Hair thickening, clitoral swelling, some acne, angries (dont know why).

Benefits:Good strength gain, recovery, muscle hardness/density, very little muscle growth.

Overall summation: A dieters drug. Helped retain muscle on low cal/low carb dieting plus give the physique a harder look with fuller shape. No real muscle gain seen from it although some increase in strength. All gains made were superficial and lost after coming off. Both times didnt kick in for me until somewhere between weeks 4 and 5.
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#3 03-21-2006, 04:36 PM
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Brands: SPA, British Dragon

Dose: Varied, have done 3 anavar cycles in total. For details see below.

Duration of cycle: 10 weeks, 20 weeks, 16 weeks*

Sides: Voice changes (first cycle), moderate acne, clit swelling, decrease in breast size

Benefits: Increased recovery, hardening, muscle density, muscle growth, good strength gains, increased libido

Overall summation:

10 weeks - SPA: September 2002. My first AAS experience. Was supposed to be a mix between bulking/cutting (didn't know better at the time...) I ran EC alternated with clen (2 weeks on, 2 weeks off) the last 8 weeks of it. I started the anavar at 5mg ED. After 2 weeks I upped to 10mg ED - which I later realized was too much too soon. The voice sides hit me at week 6. It started out as a sore throat which made me think it was a cold. By the end of week 7 I knew that was not what it was but I decided to stay with 10mg ED for the remaining 2 weeks. Other sides were zits, clit swelling and increased libido.

Strength and size gains were good. Total weight gain was 8lbs but waist went down an inch and overall I looked leaner when I finished than when I started. The voice problems were concerning, but aside from that, I was very pleased with the results.

20 weeks - British Dragon: July 2004. Part of my first competition diet. Because of the voice issues the first time around, I had my gear tested. It came back underdosed and I adjusted the dose accordingly. I started at 7.5mg ED. After 10 weeks I upped to 11mg ED and left it there for the rest of the cycle.

No voice problems this time, but apart from that, sides were the same as the first anavar cycle. Benefits the same. Good strength gains. The hardening effect, especially in the midsection area, was very noticable. I had previously run a nearly identical diet, without anavar, and the difference was remarkable. This is why I love anavar... I can build strength and cut at the same time. I also don't seem to hold any water on it.

*16 weeks - British Dragon: August 2005. Another comp diet. 10mg ED all the way through, but was *stacked with GH (2iU ED). Unfortunately, I didn't keep a journal all the way through this cycle. I ended up not doing the competition and I didn't spend nearly as much time in the gym as I should have. Results in the beginning, for as long as I was still putting the work in, were the same as the diet the previous year -- only I felt that in combination with GH anavar worked even better. Should I ever decide to compete again, I will definitely use anavar/GH. Sides were the same as the previous cycles (sans the voice problems).


My voice has still, to this very day, not recovered from that first cycle. It did get better once I came off, but never went back to the way it was before. I stayed off for a year and a half after this very first cycle and even after all that time my voice would still act up on me from time to time. Since then I've run two winstrol cycles and neither of them affected my voice in the dramatic way that the anavar did (IF it was indeed anavar - I can't be sure because I never had it tested).
 
Triple Threat said:
That's what your husband is for.
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ya when she helps me put my weigths back i will help her. she gets all the glory in our gym, im just "the other half".:pissed:
 
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Katt, here is some info I copied from FC's. I don't think she will care. It is three girls posts on anavar cycles and sides/benefits from it. Hope this helps!

03-15-2006, 08:49 PM
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Anavar

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Trade/Brand Names: Oxandrin, Oxandrolone
abbreviation: var


Compound name: Anavar

Brand: (used various) Loeffler, Denkall, QV

Dose: beginning dose 2.5mg a day; 10mg a day split; ramp down

Duration of cycle: 8 weeks (two cycles), 12 weeks, 20 weeks* (with ramp up/down)

Sides: increased facial hair, voice changes at higher dosages, some acne, increased hunger, water retention with some brands

Benefits: increased recovery, hardening, muscle density, muscle growth, modest strength growth

Overall summation: First two cycles listed were run alone with slight ramp up at the beginning and no ramp down. Third cycle had a slow ramp up and slow ramp down.

First cycle (8 weeks) - Loeffler: I was somewhat disappointed in my first anavar cycle. I am a SLOW responder and did not see any changes in my visual appearance nor strength until about week 8. Additionally, I was not eating enough calories to support growth and still doing cardio during the cycle. I started at 2.5, went to 5 and then to 10mg a day...held about 5lbs or water throughout cycle. No acne, no voice changes -- just the facial hair issue (faded post cycle). I did get some hardness and strength increases -- but the cycle was over before it started. Hardness and strength increases disappeared post cycle. Some minimal estrogenic rebounding occurred.


Second cycle (12 weeks) - Loeffler/Denkall: started at 2.5mg a day; then 5mg a day (split) then 10mg (split) -- briefly went to 15mg but the voice and acne issue became very evident. Again -- some facial hair but easily managed and faded post cycle. Visual changes began at week 8; density added to muscle, moderate strength increases and modest growth. Weight did not seem to change on the scale -- but the body got tighter and harder and looking more compact. Calories were (for me) fairly high and somewhat clean. Water weight dropped on this cycle when I switched to Denkall after running out of Loeffler. This is when I realized that after one var cycle and after one winny cycle -- that I needed at least 10 weeks of cycling as I tended to get results much slower. Noticed post cycle, some minimal estrogenic type rebound.


Third cycle (20 weeks) - Quality Vet: ramped up 2.5mg every week until 10mg; also hit a 4 week ramp down. *This cycle also had two 3-week winny 'bursts' - comments are based only on anavar only portion. Running this cycle produced the most results. Eating was abundant but clean -- towards the end of the cycle -- caloric intake was reduced. No cardio at all. No water retention, no voice issues, very little in terms of facial hair activity (I believe the slow ramp up helped acclimate the body). Nice muscle gains and fullness that remained post cycle. No estrogenic rebound post cycle (ramped down 2.5 mg a week for 4 weeks).


Fourth cycle (8 weeks)- Quality Vet: ramped up 2.5mg a day until 10mg a day. Ran cycle only for 8 weeks and stopped because I had breast augmentation surgery. Nothing to report.


In my opinion, anavar is a great first cycle as the sides that affected me were very manageable and faded post cycle. Good gains, good hardness, good density. The longer cycle (3rd) produced some help with leaning out in terms of muscle sparing during calorie restricted mode.
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Brand:Orbit

Dose: 10-30mg

Duration of cycle(s): 10-16 weeks

sides: Hair thickening, clitoral swelling, some acne, angries (dont know why).

Benefits:Good strength gain, recovery, muscle hardness/density, very little muscle growth.

Overall summation: A dieters drug. Helped retain muscle on low cal/low carb dieting plus give the physique a harder look with fuller shape. No real muscle gain seen from it although some increase in strength. All gains made were superficial and lost after coming off. Both times didnt kick in for me until somewhere between weeks 4 and 5.
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Brands: SPA, British Dragon

Dose: Varied, have done 3 anavar cycles in total. For details see below.

Duration of cycle: 10 weeks, 20 weeks, 16 weeks*

Sides: Voice changes (first cycle), moderate acne, clit swelling, decrease in breast size

Benefits: Increased recovery, hardening, muscle density, muscle growth, good strength gains, increased libido

Overall summation:

10 weeks - SPA: September 2002. My first AAS experience. Was supposed to be a mix between bulking/cutting (didn't know better at the time...) I ran EC alternated with clen (2 weeks on, 2 weeks off) the last 8 weeks of it. I started the anavar at 5mg ED. After 2 weeks I upped to 10mg ED - which I later realized was too much too soon. The voice sides hit me at week 6. It started out as a sore throat which made me think it was a cold. By the end of week 7 I knew that was not what it was but I decided to stay with 10mg ED for the remaining 2 weeks. Other sides were zits, clit swelling and increased libido.

Strength and size gains were good. Total weight gain was 8lbs but waist went down an inch and overall I looked leaner when I finished than when I started. The voice problems were concerning, but aside from that, I was very pleased with the results.

20 weeks - British Dragon: July 2004. Part of my first competition diet. Because of the voice issues the first time around, I had my gear tested. It came back underdosed and I adjusted the dose accordingly. I started at 7.5mg ED. After 10 weeks I upped to 11mg ED and left it there for the rest of the cycle.

No voice problems this time, but apart from that, sides were the same as the first anavar cycle. Benefits the same. Good strength gains. The hardening effect, especially in the midsection area, was very noticable. I had previously run a nearly identical diet, without anavar, and the difference was remarkable. This is why I love anavar... I can build strength and cut at the same time. I also don't seem to hold any water on it.

*16 weeks - British Dragon: August 2005. Another comp diet. 10mg ED all the way through, but was *stacked with GH (2iU ED). Unfortunately, I didn't keep a journal all the way through this cycle. I ended up not doing the competition and I didn't spend nearly as much time in the gym as I should have. Results in the beginning, for as long as I was still putting the work in, were the same as the diet the previous year -- only I felt that in combination with GH anavar worked even better. Should I ever decide to compete again, I will definitely use anavar/GH. Sides were the same as the previous cycles (sans the voice problems).


My voice has still, to this very day, not recovered from that first cycle. It did get better once I came off, but never went back to the way it was before. I stayed off for a year and a half after this very first cycle and even after all that time my voice would still act up on me from time to time. Since then I've run two winstrol cycles and neither of them affected my voice in the dramatic way that the anavar did (IF it was indeed anavar - I can't be sure because I never had it tested).
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Thanks for digging that out. I thouught I could match a chemistry naturally and with less side effects and I'm hoping to learn some more about steroids myself. Excellent information.
 
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