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Another Student Tasered

I'm on it, so trust me, I think I know better in that regard. It may not cause rage, but testosterone does increase aggressivity.

You would certainly know more than I would. I'm just repeating a credible study that I've read.
 
On the ground he says "LET ME GET UP AND I WILL WALK OUT WITH YOU." Apparently, not good enough.

It's easy to make appologies and act docile once you've been overpowered and restrained. He put himself into that position by becoming combative when he was told that his time to speak was over. When he lost focus and turned into a lunatic he went from revolutionary to bitch real quick. He started strong but failed, he should have kept speaking and stayed calm which would have made the cops look even worse.

Rosa Parks he is not.
 
well maybe you should re-read your posts then before you hit submit. just because your doing a cycle doesnt give you a free ticket to act like some internet bad ass. it just makes your argument seem less valid. even if it is something you believe strongly in

He's full of it anyway, testosterone does not increase aggressive behavior in humans. The only study that uses BBer doses (500mg Test/wk) showed no increases in aggression. Performed by Bhasin et al, published NEJM July 4, 1996 for those who think I'm bullshitting. Additionally, I've used twice, and I never once became more aggressive, or acted like an arrogant jerk (anymore so than usual anyway). Some people just can't handle the extra size/strength mentally and think they're badasses. :wits:

Off topic, but the truth should be told.
 
So what, I admit it. Pathetic because I am? You're insulting most members. :thumb:

i doubt most members are on, or have done a cycle. i dont have any problem with you taking them, but if you know you get aggressive because of it you should check yourself from time to time, because it is no excuse for certain behaviors.
 
I've been tased for 15 seconds (3 trigger pulls). Take my word: It is very, very painful, and disables you. I've seen videos on youtube of giant dudes who look like bears fall to the ground and cry out like children after being shot with it. It will not be a pleasant experience, and it's not something you would just "want to feel."

Just because it's unpleasant doesn't mean that I won't enjoy it. Some of my favorite experiences could be classified as "bad experiences".

Why were you tased?
 
He's full of it anyway, testosterone does not increase aggressive behavior in humans. The only study that uses BBer doses (500mg Test/wk) showed no increases in aggression. Performed by Bhasin et al, published NEJM July 4, 1996 for those who think I'm bullshitting. Additionally, I've used twice, and I never once became more aggressive, or acted like an arrogant jerk (anymore so than usual anyway). Some people just can't handle the extra size/strength mentally and think they're badasses. :wits:

Off topic, but the truth should be told.

That's test at a relatively mild dose. Do any case studies take into account mutiple aas and also different aas at a higher dose?
 
So what, I admit it. Pathetic because I am? You're insulting most members. :thumb:

Pathetic because you try to blame you being an arrogant loser on using AAS. Countless others who use test (myself included), and medical data (which I just referenced the study) show otherwise.

If you can't handle AAS, don't use it. Pathetic.
 
He's full of it anyway, testosterone does not increase aggressive behavior in humans. The only study that uses BBer doses (500mg Test/wk) showed no increases in aggression. Performed by Bhasin et al, published NEJM July 4, 1996 for those who think I'm bullshitting. Additionally, I've used twice, and I never once became more aggressive, or acted like an arrogant jerk (anymore so than usual anyway). Some people just can't handle the extra size/strength mentally and think they're badasses. :wits:

Off topic, but the truth should be told.

Yeah bro, I think I'm a badass because I'm stronger and bigger. Actually no, I think technique I learn from MMA would accomplish that. It's humerous to watch very large guys get owned on the mat.
 
Pathetic because you try to blame you being an arrogant loser on using AAS. Countless others who use test (myself included), and medical data (which I just referenced the study) show otherwise.

If you can't handle AAS, don't use it. Pathetic.

You don't prove anything, and anedotal evidence doesn't count. For all I know you could be a raging lunatic when "on."
 
It's easy to make appologies and act docile once you've been overpowered and restrained. He put himself into that position by becoming combative when he was told that his time to speak was over. When he lost focus and turned into a lunatic he went from revolutionary to bitch real quick. He started strong but failed, he should have kept speaking and stayed calm which would have made the cops look even worse.

Rosa Parks he is not.

No threat was presented, he said he'd leave with them, was that not the goal of them restraining him? To get him to leave? The treatment was exponentially worse than the disease in this case.
 
I love this one. It shows exactly how a professional cop should act and just how silly some wildin' out hoes can get. The NAACP has no answer for a video like that. Freedom is best enjoyed by those who deserve it.

What's funny is that the cops only released that video to a local television station because she was going to sue them for police brutality. Her suit was dropped by the courts. :roflmao:
 
No threat was presented, he said he'd leave with them, was that not the goal of them restraining him? To get him to leave? The treatment was exponentially worse than the disease in this case.

Is that why he was trying to get back to the mic and flailing his arms around?
 
No threat was presented, he said he'd leave with them, was that not the goal of them restraining him? To get him to leave? The treatment was exponentially worse than the disease in this case.

sure after he had resisted physically and made a scene he tries to negotiate and leave under his terms. thats not how it works. at any point he could have stopped resisting let himself be handcuffed and walked out of the room calmly. he chose not to, and chose to be tased. he was told multiple times, if you dont do this, you will be tased. he was informed of the consequences of his continued actions and chose those consequences. i have no sympathy for him.
 
Yeah bro, I think I'm a badass because I'm stronger and bigger. Actually no, I think technique I learn from MMA would accomplish that. It's humerous to watch very large guys get owned on the mat.

even more humorous is guys who think the size and aggressiveness of steroids will make up for the technique they lack.
 
No threat was presented, he said he'd leave with them, was that not the goal of them restraining him? To get him to leave? The treatment was exponentially worse than the disease in this case.

He was asked to leave, advised to leave, ordered to leave, then made to leave, at which point he not only resisted leaving, but attemped to run back towards Kerry, which opens a whole 'nother can of worms in terms of becoming a perceived threat.

I'm not sure how anyone's right to anything was affected here.
 
Is that why he was trying to get back to the mic and flailing his arms around?

This was after that point, when he was on the ground, he said he would walk out with them. Also, repeatedly asking "what did I do?" "why are you arresting me?" and I don't recall hearing a police officer answer him, I certainly could be mistaken. If it takes 6 cops and a taser to handle one hippy, all the officers should be fired, they're unfit for duty.
 
This was after that point, when he was on the ground, he said he would walk out with them. Also, repeatedly asking "what did I do?" "why are you arresting me?" and I don't recall hearing a police officer answer him, I certainly could be mistaken. If it takes 6 cops and a taser to handle one hippy, all the officers should be fired, they're unfit for duty.

That, my friend, is all I care about. And it was 7 cops.
 
Also, repeatedly asking "what did I do?" "why are you arresting me?" and I don't recall hearing a police officer answer him, I certainly could be mistaken.

As someone who has been arrested for doing nothing more than answering "do you want to go to jail?" wrong. I still can't side with this kid.

He was an asshole, and he paid the price, he wanted his 15 minutes and he's getting it now.
 
He was asked to leave, advised to leave, ordered to leave, then made to leave, at which point he not only resisted leaving, but attemped to run back towards Kerry, which opens a whole 'nother can of worms in terms of becoming a perceived threat.

I'm not sure how anyone's right to anything was affected here.

You don't understand my point. Although, it could easily be argued he shouldn't have been touched in the first place since Kerry had agreed to listen to, and answer his question. Having heard Kerry say this, it's reasonable the he should think he has done nothing wrong and would be surprised when he's grabbed by police.

But I don't even care that much about that. I simply think UPD handled this HORRIBLY. This will waste my tax and tuition $$. Who was being served, and who was being protected here? The audienced was TERRIFIED when they saw what the police were doing, you can hear girls screaming "WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT." The scene they made was 100x worse than what he was doing. The police action was 100x more of a "Disruption of Peace" (what he's being charged with) than what he did. Do you see my point? What he did was WRONG and STUPID, but that does not change how badly the matter was handled.
 
Yeah bro, I think I'm a badass because I'm stronger and bigger. Actually no, I think technique I learn from MMA would accomplish that. It's humerous to watch very large guys get owned on the mat.

Jeez way too much Loose Change watching, roid takin and rollin around with dudes on mats son...get puss immediately.
 
This was after that point, when he was on the ground, he said he would walk out with them. Also, repeatedly asking "what did I do?" "why are you arresting me?" and I don't recall hearing a police officer answer him, I certainly could be mistaken. If it takes 6 cops and a taser to handle one hippy, all the officers should be fired, they're unfit for duty.

i disagree. if 6 cops are there all should be in on it. if 7 are there then all 7 should be in on it. i asked a cop one time why he chose the .45 cal for his on duty side arm. his response. "because they dont make a .46" overwhelming yet not excessive force should be used at all times
 
But I don't even care that much about that. I simply think UPD handled this HORRIBLY. This will waste my tax and tuition $$. Who was being served, and who was being protected here? The audienced was TERRIFIED when they saw what the police were doing, you can hear girls screaming "WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT." The scene they made was 100x worse than what he was doing. The police action was 100x more of a "Disruption of Peace" (what he's being charged with) than what he did. Do you see my point? What he did was WRONG and STUPID, but that does not change how badly the matter was handled.

You're still young and in college, you still believe in peace. Trust me, you'll do a lot of growing up in the next 10 years. Utopia doesn't exist, absolute freedoms don't exist. We live in a world of other people's rules and in that world the smart people learn to use them in their favor, either to prosper, or to just be left alone.
 
You don't understand my point. Although, it could easily be argued he shouldn't have been touched in the first place since Kerry had agreed to listen to, and answer his question. Having heard Kerry say this, it's reasonable the he should think he has done nothing wrong and would be surprised when he's grabbed by police.

But I don't even care that much about that. I simply think UPD handled this HORRIBLY. This will waste my tax and tuition $$. Who was being served, and who was being protected here? The audienced was TERRIFIED when they saw what the police were doing, you can hear girls screaming "WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT." The scene they made was 100x worse than what he was doing. The police action was 100x more of a "Disruption of Peace" (what he's being charged with) than what he did. Do you see my point? What he did was WRONG and STUPID, but that does not change how badly the matter was handled.
the girls were just as stupid. to not realize why he was being taken away is a joke. if i was there i would have cheered and clapped as the officers took him away.
 
You're still young and in college, you still believe in peace. Trust me, you'll do a lot of growing up in the next 10 years. Utopia doesn't exist, absolute freedoms don't exist. We live in a world of other people's rules and in that world the smart people learn to use them in their favor, either to prosper, or to just be left alone.

I'm not idealistic, and I don't believe in Utopia. I am being 100% practical in my argument. The police created terror and panic in the people there, and were much more of a disturbance than he was. That is my only point.
 
I'm not idealistic, and I don't believe in Utopia. I am being 100% practical in my argument. The police created terror and panic in the people there, and were much more of a disturbance than he was. That is my only point.

your right. the police should have tased him and pulled him out of there a lot sooner than that
 
I'm not idealistic, and I don't believe in Utopia. I am being 100% practical in my argument. The police created terror and panic in the people there, and were much more of a disturbance than he was. That is my only point.

And what if once the mic was shut off and he was told to leave he resorted to pro-active violence of his own? These situations are always a Catch-22 for authorities. In this situation a compative and standoffish college student has far less rights than a US Senator and the audience.

He was asked to leave. He didn't.
He was told to leave. He didn't.
Physical contact was made to persuade him to leave. He didn't.

At this point the cops have no idea what they're dealing with, given the stature of the attendees they have no other choice but maximum force.
 
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