Al Gore Wins the Nobel Peace Prize!

[DOMS]

Himmler?

Emo cock sucker?

Jews are way better than Arabs. Do you see Jews strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up woman and children? Do they stone each other to death?

Jews don't do a tenth of the fucked up stuff that Arabs do.

 

[BigDyl]

Regardless if you think Iran has a right to enrich uranium or not (I do not), they have already stated they want total destruction of Israel and the United States. Now, Decker, do you think that the US and the rest of its allies should take that chance and let Iran enrich the uranium and then be capable of making a bomb to destroy one or both?? I don't think you can honestly say yes. If they are so set on ways to maker power and such, I'm sure there are other ways that the US would not object to and be willing to work with them on. Let's face it, the leader of Iran is an idiot.

You're buying into the propaganda. The government could care less if they have some uranium. The whole point is to systematically control the region. Do you see the line the countries form? Afganistan, Iran, and Iraq. See any significance? See any significance with the oil in the region, or the strategic location, perfect for military base installations, right next to Russia and China, controlling resources in their neighborhood?

 

[BigDyl]

Emo cock sucker?

Jews are way better than Arabs. Do you see Jews strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up woman and children? Do they stone each other to death?

Jews don't do a tenth of the fucked up stuff that Arabs do.

What did an arab ever do to you? Or are you basing your facts and stats off of movies and fox news pie charts?

 

[ZECH]

You're buying into the propaganda. The government could care less if they have some uranium. The whole point is to systematically control the region. Do you see the line the countries form? Afganistan, Iran, and Iraq. See any significance? See any significance with the oil in the region, or the strategic location, perfect for military base installations, right next to Russia and China, controlling resources in their neighborhood?

I don't buy that..............if we wanted it we could take it. Why go through so much trouble?

 

[Decker]

your response to al gores hypocricy on green energy is to rip on bush? WOW. that is lame. even though i totally disagree with every point of view you have ever placed on this forum, i never thought this would be your response. your defending a dead horse. you argue with the high and mighty attidude of someone who knows more than your peers. and then you come back with something ridiculous about bush? al gores lack of green energy has nothing to do with the war in iraq or bushs running of it. you have totally discredited anything you may have ever said on this site.

by the way, you didnt discredit anything that was put up showing critisim of gore. you may have said you did, but that doesnt discredit it. no one here has a fascination with al gore except you. your un-dead love for the man is frankly un-heathly and i think you should see a therapist.

oh yea, bush never broke the law, and you repeating it over and over doesnt change that.

"...I argue with the high and mighty attitude of someone who knows more than your peers...".

If you are referring to grammar, then in this case you are right. I'm sorry if my style of debate makes you think I'm some sort of elitest (that's the conclusion I draw from your characterization of me). I like to think that I defend the constitution and the People. Both of which Pres. Bush has mangled. And by the way, with few exceptions, if you support the republican machine you are an elitest. See my thread on Right Wing Populism.

I mentioned Bush b/c the character assassins of Gore, like yourself, become tedious. You push any discredited story you can b/c it slams Gore. I thought I'd point out that instead of worrying about the inconsequential minutae that really shows Gore is a hypocrite, you should consider the massive damage being done to our country and our constitution by the current adiminstration.

Maybe I expect too much of you to make that connection.

And another thing about your perception of Gore. It's a shame you can't see beyond the end of your spiteful nose to recognize the work this man has done on behalf of his country. He's a statesman always trying to better our country. He didn't go running off to Japan and badmouth the US for million dollars a speech the way Reagan did once he was out of office. He's a bright guy with vision. To not compare him to the simpering fool in the whitehouse would be a disservice to ratiocination. (I learned that word from Antonin Scalia, b/c in my elitest views, reading is a good thing, even if you read the works of your political enemies).

As to your sweeping statement that "I've totally discredited everything I've ever said on this website"....thank you bio-cry me a river-chem.

Why I better just surrender in the face of such an implacable foe like yourself.

 

[bio-chem]

If someone is damaging the environment with their wreckless policies then you are supposed to rip them.


It's funny how you argue about the law with a lawyer.

people argue chemistry with me. and thats a science. its how it goes. and just because your a lawyer doesnt mean your the final word on the law. i think the differences in lawyers opinions about the law is well documented. i consider my inteligence every bit equal to his or others on this site. i just chose to focus my energies in a different field. it has no bearing on this discussion. when he is wrong, he is wrong

 

[bio-chem]

You're buying into the propaganda. The government could care less if they have some uranium. The whole point is to systematically control the region. Do you see the line the countries form? Afganistan, Iran, and Iraq. See any significance? See any significance with the oil in the region, or the strategic location, perfect for military base installations, right next to Russia and China, controlling resources in their neighborhood?

no this isnt propaganda. iran wants a nuclear bomb. they are developing a nuclear bomb. they are developing balistic missles. the leaders want the destruction of israel and the us. i want my leaders to stop crazy sons of bitches who meet these requirements. propaganda that.

 

[bio-chem]

"...

As to your sweeping statement that "I've totally discredited everything I've ever said on this website"....thank you bio-cry me a river-chem.

Why I better just surrender in the face of such an implacable foe like yourself.

i would prefer it if you would just stick to the topic at hand. anyone here who had attacked gore happened because you started a thread about sucking his cock. i disagree with your love of this man. i dont think the nobel peace prize should be given for a movie on green energy. its a movie. whoop dee doo. when he goes over to the middle east or some other war torn part of the world and brokers peace let me know. like i said a post about al gore and green energy has nothing to do with bush and the iraq war. you didnt respond to the post you simply tried to deflect it into someone no one likes. thats not debate. your so big on crediting sources and yet you havent posted a source discrediting the critique on al gores use of energy. all you have done is said they were discredited.

 

[bio-chem]

Regardless if you think Iran has a right to enrich uranium or not (I do not), they have already stated they want total destruction of Israel and the United States. Now, Decker, do you think that the US and the rest of its allies should take that chance and let Iran enrich the uranium and then be capable of making a bomb to destroy one or both?? I don't think you can honestly say yes. If they are so set on ways to maker power and such, I'm sure there are other ways that the US would not object to and be willing to work with them on. Let's face it, the leader of Iran is an idiot.

can we get an anwer on this please? its a direct question that gets to the heart of the matter

 

[Decker]

The difference between what Saddam did and what the US did, was that Saddam did it for a totalitarian control and the US did it as a by-product of war. It's a shame that you can't see the difference.

He was the enemy. The US chose to let him take a peaceful way out 10 years earlier. He chose not to comply, so it was the US choice to finish it.

Blah, blah, blah... Illegal this, illegal that. And yet no trial.

The war is illegitimate. I cannot, in good conscience, support a war that was not borne of some aspect of self-defense. The attack of Iraq was an attack of a prone country acting in compliance with our demands. That is unacceptable.

There was nothing to "finish."

Iraq was decimated in the first war and sanctions kept Iraq a shell of a country. Iraq was not a threat to the US or US interests.

 

[bio-chem]

It is not fathomable to me how someone could think that the Bush remedy--attacking Iraq--is commensurate with the problem--Hussein's slow-footed compliance with and inspection resolution.

so he should not have had any consequence for his actions? we should have continued to let him jerk around inspectors like he did for the first 10 years?

attacking iraq was always the consequence for non-compliance with weapons inspections. im just shocked it took over a decade

 

[bio-chem]

The war is illegitimate. I cannot, in good conscience, support a war that was not borne of some aspect of self-defense. The attack of Iraq was an attack of a prone country acting in compliance with our demands. That is unacceptable.

There was nothing to "finish."

Iraq was decimated in the first war and sanctions kept Iraq a shell of a country. Iraq was not a threat to the US or US interests.

the iraqi republican guard was hardly touched in the first war and sanctions do little. iraq was not in compliance. links have been shown to that effect.

 

[NordicNacho]

YouTube Video

 

[bio-chem]

YouTube Video

one of the few intelligent things ive seen that guy say

 

[Decker]

Regardless if you think Iran has a right to enrich uranium or not (I do not), they have already stated they want total destruction of Israel and the United States. Now, Decker, do you think that the US and the rest of its allies should take that chance and let Iran enrich the uranium and then be capable of making a bomb to destroy one or both?? I don't think you can honestly say yes. If they are so set on ways to maker power and such, I'm sure there are other ways that the US would not object to and be willing to work with them on. Let's face it, the leader of Iran is an idiot.

Neither Pres. Ahmadinejad or the Supreme Leader Khameini have called for the destruction of Israel. That's never happened. They have called for regime change in Israel though.

My opinion on deterring Iran from making a bomb is that it cannot be done. Even carpet bombing the country will not stop Iran from getting the manufacturing ability to create a nuclear weapon some day. The knowledge on a-bomb creation is readily available. The means for engineering those bombs is the only thing holding it back. And as you know, technology is always improving.

That's why negotiation is the way to go and, at the moment, inspections.

 

[Decker]

so he should not have had any consequence for his actions? we should have continued to let him jerk around inspectors like he did for the first 10 years?

attacking iraq was always the consequence for non-compliance with weapons inspections. im just shocked it took over a decade

He's paid the price, he's dead.

Why should his people suffer the same fate for, in essence, doing nothing to the US but be guilty of living in dictatorial regime?

 

[bio-chem]

He's paid the price, he's dead.

Why should his people suffer the same fate for, in essence, doing nothing to the US but be guilty of living in dictatorial regime?

hey i have no complaint with pulling out of iraq as soon as possible. just as soon as the iraqi government can take care of itself im all for bringing our boys home.

 

[Decker]

the iraqi republican guard was hardly touched in the first war and sanctions do little. iraq was not in compliance. links have been shown to that effect.

Sanctions do little? Are you sure?

The sanctions imposed on Iraq -- to force Saddam Hussein to allow the United Nations to dismantle or destroy Iraq's long-range missiles and chemical, nuclear and biological weapons -- and related circumstances have prevented the country from repairing all its damaged or destroyed infrastructure, and whenever attempts have been made, those have been incomplete. That applies to electricity-generating and water-purification plants, sewage-treatment facilities and communication and transportation networks. That has affected the quality of life of countless Iraqis, especially those belonging to the middle and lower economic levels who do not have alternatives or options to overcome the effects of the war and the sanctions.
Iraq is an oil-rich country, which before the 1991 war was almost totally dependent on the import of food and medicine. Financial constraints as a result of the sanctions have prevented the necessary import of food and medicine.
The vast majority of Iraq's people has been on a semi-starvation diet for years.
The reduction in the import of medicines, owing to a lack of financial resources, as well as a lack of minimum health care facilities, insecticides, pharmaceutical and other related equipment have crippled the health care services, which in prewar years were of a high quality.
The effect of this situation on Iraq's infant and child population is especially severe. From 1991 to 1998, children under 5 died from malnutrition-related diseases in numbers ranging from a conservative 2,690 a month to a more realistic 5,357 per month.
The U.N. Oil-for-Food Program has kept the numbers of deaths and cases of malnutrition from rising still higher, but it was never intended as a remedy for the situation.
Effects of the Iraq sanctions

I found a more exhaustive list here re the effects of sanctions:
Effects of Sanctions - Global Issues


But I don't know how to print tables to this forum.

Iraq was complying. I already posted the link showing Blix saying as much.

 

[NordicNacho]

Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Mid-East outside of Isreal


Isreal should have never been created Should of gave them half of Germany or Nevada it would of saved us a lot of problems

 

[Decker]

hey i have no complaint with pulling out of iraq as soon as possible. just as soon as the iraqi government can take care of itself im all for bringing our boys home.

I agree with you on this point but the reality is is that the US has built the single largest embassy (600 million dollar) in the world in Iraq along with 6 smaller ones. We are not leaving any time soon.

USATODAY.com - Giant U.S. embassy rising in Baghdad

 

[Decker]

i would prefer it if you would just stick to the topic at hand. anyone here who had attacked gore happened because you started a thread about sucking his cock. i disagree with your love of this man. i dont think the nobel peace prize should be given for a movie on green energy. its a movie. whoop dee doo. when he goes over to the middle east or some other war torn part of the world and brokers peace let me know. like i said a post about al gore and green energy has nothing to do with bush and the iraq war. you didnt respond to the post you simply tried to deflect it into someone no one likes. thats not debate. your so big on crediting sources and yet you havent posted a source discrediting the critique on al gores use of energy. all you have done is said they were discredited.

Now is this kind of writing necessary? You ought to know better than that. Shame on you for such childish namecalling.

If you disagree with the Nobel Prize Committee's award to Gore, I suggest you take it up with that body.

"Brokers peace in the middle east"--like Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton--or fans the flames of war in the middle east--like Both Bushs

You have shown me no evidence that Al Gore uses excessive energy. Why should I spend my time discrediting something that has not been shown?

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research's hit piece on Gore, the source of your criticism, has been debunked as inflating numbers to make a point:

???Utility records show the Gore family paid an average monthly electric bill of about $1,200 last year for its 10,000-square-foot home. The Gores used about 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, according to bills reviewed by The Associated Press. The typical Nashville household uses about 15,600 kilowatt-hours per year.

The group said that Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service. But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information.???

This link reprints excerpts from the original TIME article which is no longer available online.
Gore Wars! Did Tennessee Group Inflate Energy Numbers? | ecorazzi.com :: the latest in green gossip
Al Gore Draws Flak On Utility Bill - TIME

Then there's the Peter Shweizer article slamming Gore based on the erroneous findings of theTCPR. It contained several key factual errors to give the appearance that Gore was not only lying about his personal use of green energy and carbon credits, but that he was actually profiting from anti-environemental industries. USA Today had to print a correction b/c of Shweizer's errors but that webpage has been taken down:

1. Gore does not receive royalties from a zinc mine. From the USA today correction: ???In a column that appeared Aug. 10 on the Forum Page, writer Peter Schweizer inaccurately stated that former vice president Al Gore receives royalties from a zinc mine on his property in Tennessee despite his environmental advocacy???the mine was closed in 2003.???​

2. Gore has never owned any Occidental Petroleum stock. His father worked for the company for several years and his parents used to own some stock. All of it was sold years ago.​

3. Gore pays for his own carbon off-sets. Parmount is also purchasing off-sets above and beyond what Gore is doing individually.​

Think Progress » After USA Today Issues Correction, Fox Host Repeats Smears Against Gore

So until you find something credible worth commenting on, I think our debate on Gore's greenness is over.

 

[bio-chem]

Neither Pres. Ahmadinejad or the Supreme Leader Khameini have called for the destruction of Israel. That's never happened. They have called for regime change in Israel though.

My opinion on deterring Iran from making a bomb is that it cannot be done. Even carpet bombing the country will not stop Iran from getting the manufacturing ability to create a nuclear weapon some day. The knowledge on a-bomb creation is readily available. The means for engineering those bombs is the only thing holding it back. And as you know, technology is always improving.

That's why negotiation is the way to go and, at the moment, inspections.

CNN.com - Iran leader urges destruction of 'cancerous' Israel - December 15, 2000
just one of many articles claiming for the destruction of israel.

to fully understand the engineering and technological know how needed to develop an atomic bomb i would recomend The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes. that will tell a better more in depth picture of the difficulties of development of the a-bomb even today. current estimates have iran between 5-9 years away from the bomb. and yes, destroying their centrifuges and heavy water reactor would put them back considerably from that estimate. they have two centrifuges above ground running, with possibly 2 more underground. if the 2 we know of are shut down this severely limits their capabilities of coming up with the needed fissionable material for a bomb. we have the time and capability to stop iran from becoming a nuclear power at this time. with current conditions i do not think it unwise to explore options in preventing them from becoming a nuclear power.

 

[bio-chem]

Sanctions do little? Are you sure?

The sanctions imposed on Iraq -- to force Saddam Hussein to allow the United Nations to dismantle or destroy Iraq's long-range missiles and chemical, nuclear and biological weapons -- and related circumstances have prevented the country from repairing all its damaged or destroyed infrastructure, and whenever attempts have been made, those have been incomplete. That applies to electricity-generating and water-purification plants, sewage-treatment facilities and communication and transportation networks. That has affected the quality of life of countless Iraqis, especially those belonging to the middle and lower economic levels who do not have alternatives or options to overcome the effects of the war and the sanctions.
Iraq is an oil-rich country, which before the 1991 war was almost totally dependent on the import of food and medicine. Financial constraints as a result of the sanctions have prevented the necessary import of food and medicine.
The vast majority of Iraq's people has been on a semi-starvation diet for years.
The reduction in the import of medicines, owing to a lack of financial resources, as well as a lack of minimum health care facilities, insecticides, pharmaceutical and other related equipment have crippled the health care services, which in prewar years were of a high quality.
The effect of this situation on Iraq's infant and child population is especially severe. From 1991 to 1998, children under 5 died from malnutrition-related diseases in numbers ranging from a conservative 2,690 a month to a more realistic 5,357 per month.
The U.N. Oil-for-Food Program has kept the numbers of deaths and cases of malnutrition from rising still higher, but it was never intended as a remedy for the situation.
Effects of the Iraq sanctions

I found a more exhaustive list here re the effects of sanctions:
Effects of Sanctions - Global Issues


But I don't know how to print tables to this forum.

Iraq was complying. I already posted the link showing Blix saying as much.

and doms provided a link showing that after 10 years iraq was getting ready to comply.

also what i meant by sanctions do little, is that sactions do little to change the ways of the government. yes the iraqi people suffered under sanctions from the US. saddam hussien did not. they may have gone hungry. he did not. i saw a picture of an AK-47 that was inlayed with gold which belonged to one of his sons. it is well documented how many palaces he continued to build for himself and his party while the iraqi people suffered under the conditions you described. the amount of money our soldiers found was incredible. millions of dollars just wrapped up in his palaces. hidden in the walls or sitting on pallets. sanctions do little to change repressive governments and i put very little hope in the UN and its ability to check governments such as this through diplomacy

 

[bio-chem]

Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Mid-East outside of Isreal


Isreal should have never been created Should of gave them half of Germany or Nevada it would of saved us a lot of problems

bull shit. this statement shows someone who doesnt know the history of Israel. the tension over in the region is not the fault of the Jews. When it was first created the UN called for both jewish and palestinian states. it was the arabs that said no and declared war on this proposal. Israel was barely minuites old when they had to fight a war against multiple arab neighbors. whose ass they kicked on multiple occasions. they have been generous in how they have treated the arabs.

 

[bio-chem]

Now is this kind of writing necessary? You ought to know better than that. Shame on you for such childish namecalling.

If you disagree with the Nobel Prize Committee's award to Gore, I suggest you take it up with that body.

"Brokers peace in the middle east"--like Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton--or fans the flames of war in the middle east--like Both Bushs

You have shown me no evidence that Al Gore uses excessive energy. Why should I spend my time discrediting something that has not been shown?

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research's hit piece on Gore, the source of your criticism, has been debunked as inflating numbers to make a point:

???Utility records show the Gore family paid an average monthly electric bill of about $1,200 last year for its 10,000-square-foot home. The Gores used about 191,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, according to bills reviewed by The Associated Press. The typical Nashville household uses about 15,600 kilowatt-hours per year.

The group said that Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service. But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information.???

This link reprints excerpts from the original TIME article which is no longer available online.
Gore Wars! Did Tennessee Group Inflate Energy Numbers? | ecorazzi.com :: the latest in green gossip
Al Gore Draws Flak On Utility Bill - TIME

Then there's the Peter Shweizer article slamming Gore based on the erroneous findings of theTCPR. It contained several key factual errors to give the appearance that Gore was not only lying about his personal use of green energy and carbon credits, but that he was actually profiting from anti-environemental industries. USA Today had to print a correction b/c of Shweizer's errors but that webpage has been taken down:

1. Gore does not receive royalties from a zinc mine. From the USA today correction: ???In a column that appeared Aug. 10 on the Forum Page, writer Peter Schweizer inaccurately stated that former vice president Al Gore receives royalties from a zinc mine on his property in Tennessee despite his environmental advocacy???the mine was closed in 2003.???​

2. Gore has never owned any Occidental Petroleum stock. His father worked for the company for several years and his parents used to own some stock. All of it was sold years ago.​

3. Gore pays for his own carbon off-sets. Parmount is also purchasing off-sets above and beyond what Gore is doing individually.​

Think Progress » After USA Today Issues Correction, Fox Host Repeats Smears Against Gore

So until you find something credible worth commenting on, I think our debate on Gore's greenness is over.

what name calling? coming from the guy who used the bio- cry me a river -chem statement im a little confused.

yes, jimmy carter and bill clinton did a great job in brokering peace

ive personally posted no statements on al gore or his use use of electricity. nothing on zink, or occidental petroleum, or carbon off sets. i dont think anyone has on this site. yet, you continue to post links refuting this as if it proves your point. whatever numbers you wish to use, al gore uses considerably more electricity than the average american.

 

[DOMS]

What did an arab ever do to you? Or are you basing your facts and stats off of movies and fox news pie charts?

As always, I base it on my own personal experiences, and self-education.

Arabs are one fucked up group of people.

Oh, and Cockrider, I don't watch Fox news.

 

[DOMS]

ive personally posted no statements on al gore or his use use of electricity. nothing on zink, or occidental petroleum, or carbon off sets. i dont think anyone has on this site. yet, you continue to post links refuting this as if it proves your point. whatever numbers you wish to use, al gore uses considerably more electricity than the average american.

I've made this point before. The human-caused global warming pundits are always talk about how "people" have to start changing their lifestyles to save the world, but the speakers seldom do much, if anything, that they advocate.

Al Gore lives in a mansion, drives around in nice big luxury cars, and flies in a private jet.

The same goes for pretty much every other big name pundit. I guess it's okay to change to save the world, but only if someone else does it.

 

[clemson357]

Decker, you used to come across as the intelligent but reserved free thinker on the forum. Now you are the wacko, overly vocal, neo-liberal.

 

[clemson357]

I've made this point before. The human-caused global warming pundits are always talk about how "people" have to start changing their lifestyles to save the world, but the speakers seldom do much, if anything, that they advocate.

Al Gore lives in a mansion, drives around in nice big luxury cars, and flies in a private jet.

The same goes for pretty much every other big name pundit. I guess it's okay to change to save the world, but only if someone else does it.

Hey, at least they aren't as bad as John Edwards, who charged tens of thousands of dollars to give a speech on poverty to disadvantaged public school students.

 

[DOMS]

Hey, at least they aren't as bad as John Edwards, who charged tens of thousands of dollars to give a speech on poverty to disadvantaged public school students.

What a douche bag.