The Bush Legacy: Are you a proud supporter?

[danzik17]

brogers: Al-Qaida is NOT Islam.

Al-Qaida is a terrorist organization. Iran and Iraq are countries that we have fundamental differences with, however they are not threatening us militarily. I supported the war in Afghanistan because we were specifically going after Al-Qaida and the supporting Taliban regime. Saddam Hussein had no such links to Al-Qaida, and I believe even hated Osama Bin Laden due to religious differences if I remember correctly.

 

[brogers]

Al-Qaeda is an Islamic organization. Terrorists are practicing Muslims who shout "Allah Akbar" when they're beheading civilians, blowing themselves up, or running planes into buildings.

Stop trying to white-wash it.

You seem to be incapable of forming any reasoned statement, stupid comments about 'hanging GWB by his balls for warcrimes' and now some ramble about Iraq. Hey, genius, It doesn't matter that you thought it was a bad idea to go invade Iraq. Y'know why? Because we're already there! If it was 2003, someone might care, but unfortunately it's 2008. It's time to stop whining about how we went in and focus on leaving with victory, not surrender.

 

[maniclion]

Al-Qaeda was our friend, so was Saddam Hussein and the Taliban....where did we go wrong with our good friends we gave them guns and money and tactical training but somewhere along the way we lost touch with our buddies hell we even loned them John Rambo for crying out loud.....

 

[brogers]

Al-Qaeda was never our friend. Please, do not attempt to spread that myth. The US helped arm Afghan fighters, not foreign fighters. Even Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri say this. They had no contact with the US

 

[DOMS]

brogers: Al-Qaida is NOT Islam.

As someone else put so succinctly: "It is certainly true that Islam is not the only source of terrorism, but some religions are much more likely to lead to terrorism than others. Ever hear of a Quaker terrorist? A Mennonite terrorist? A Buddhist terrorist? A Baha'i terrorist?"

 

[danzik17]

brogers: Do us a favor and don't vote in this upcoming election. You don't have any common sense in you to be able to choose it seems.

You are worried about victory in a war we shouldn't be in, I'm worried about our country collapsing economically because we can't afford this "victory" you talk about. That's without even mentioning that the war is illegal by both our own and international standards.

DOMS: I'm not sure what your point here is. Attacking a wild dog won't tame it, it will just piss off the wild dog and make it attack you back. Same idea with Islam at the core. And this time with Iran, Russia is on their side. I personally do not want to live through WW3 with two countries that have nuclear capabilities.

 

[DOMS]

DOMS: I'm not sure what your point here is. Attacking a wild dog won't tame it, it will just piss off the wild dog and make it attack you back. Same idea with Islam at the core. And this time with Iran, Russia is on their side. I personally do not want to live through WW3 with two countries that have nuclear capabilities.

Your analogy is apt, but your conclusion is wrong. A wild dog will bite your hand every time.

 

[maniclion]

Al-Qaeda is an Islamic organization. Terrorists are practicing Muslims who shout "Allah Akbar" when they're beheading civilians, blowing themselves up, or running planes into buildings.

Stop trying to white-wash it.

You seem to be incapable of forming any reasoned statement, stupid comments about 'hanging GWB by his balls for warcrimes' and now some ramble about Iraq. Hey, genius, It doesn't matter that you thought it was a bad idea to go invade Iraq. Y'know why? Because we're already there! If it was 2003, someone might care, but unfortunately it's 2008. It's time to stop whining about how we went in and focus on leaving with victory, not surrender.

But Bush already declared victory back in 2003.....
"The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th" GWB right below that big Mission Accomplished sign....

 

[brogers]

But Bush already declared victory back in 2003.....
"The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th" GWB right below that big Mission Accomplished sign....

The Iraqi army has long been defeated, duh, which is obviously* what he referenced. However, the foreign islamic nuts wanting their virgins came in, but are now nearly wiped out, which is obviously* what I was referencing.

*Obvious to a normal person

 

[busyLivin]

Attacking a wild dog won't tame it, it will just piss off the wild dog and make it attack you back. Same idea with Islam at the core.

That's a uninformed & cowardly response... I doubt even Clinton or Obama think like that.

 

[busyLivin]

Your analogy is apt, but your conclusion is wrong. A wild dog will bite your hand every time.

Perfect!

 

[danzik17]

How about you back up anything with some rational ideas or arguments? I've provided my side of the argument, you have done nothing but claim "NOPE, IM RIGHT! and agree with anyone who happens to agree with you"

"Inform" me then, if I'm so "uninformed". Until then, I'm still going to go with you being another example of an unfortunate brainwashed citizen.

 

[DOMS]

How about you back up anything with some rational ideas or arguments? I've provided my side of the argument, you have done nothing but claim "NOPE, IM RIGHT! and agree with anyone who happens to agree with you"

"Inform" me then, if I'm so "uninformed". Until then, I'm still going to go with you being another example of an unfortunate brainwashed citizen.

"How about" this his the year 2008 and Muslims still:

1) Consider rape an acceptable punishment for a woman that reports being raped.
2) Will still cut your hand off for stealing food.
3) Will kill you if you're gay.
4) Consider women to be just above the concept of property.
5) Will kill a cartoonist for making fun of their shit-ball prophet.

And the list goes on.

But hey, if that's your type of people...

 

[danzik17]

I wasn't referring to you DOMs - I was referring to the other two people who are arguing their points without providing any background information or sources.

You don't have to agree with someone's lifestyle, however it is still their own lifestyle (Yes, I think many of their practices are extremely messed up). Many countries think our use of the death penalty is barbaric - it's a point of view thing. I support the death penalty for the record, so don't bring that up. Are any of those a valid reason to go to war with the country though?

 

[maniclion]

The Iraqi army has long been defeated, duh, which is obviously* what he referenced. However, the foreign islamic nuts wanting their virgins came in, but are now nearly wiped out, which is obviously* what I was referencing.

*Obvious to a normal person

What was obvious to me before he even made the decision to go into Iraq was that there sat a country most Muslim Extremists saw as an abomination to Islam and that as it sat bordered by every extremist nation the minute it was destabilized no one could control the in rush of jihadists from all directions to try and make it theirs....I would have focused all resources on Afghanistan and capturing Osama first and then made my move on Saddam, that way we could use our stabilized allies in Afghansitan to help shore up the Iranian insurgency and focused on the other spillovers....as it is now we have Iranians coming from east and west to Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Big Smoothy]

brogers: Al-Qaida is NOT Islam.

Al-Qaida is a terrorist organization. Iran and Iraq are countries that we have fundamental differences with, however they are not threatening us militarily. I supported the war in Afghanistan because we were specifically going after Al-Qaida and the supporting Taliban regime. Saddam Hussein had no such links to Al-Qaida, and I believe even hated Osama Bin Laden due to religious differences if I remember correctly.

It's been confirmed over and over, that Osama and Hussein despised each other.

As for catching Osama Bin Laden, I don't think the US government is in a hurry to do so.

They've pulled resources and Units out of Afghanistan, and funneled funds earmarked for catching Osama, to Iraq.

It's better for the Neo-Cons to have OBL out there. He's a bad man. He can hurt you.

"We need to protect the American people."

 

[Crono1000]

Discuss.

something about this is so ironically hilarious

 

[maniclion]

something about this is so ironically hilarious

It's yellow, cause you pissed all over it!!!

 

[min0 lee]

Bottom line Bush is a bad President.

Carter was the Best

 

[min0 lee]

Carters brother could have been better.

 

[min0 lee]

It's almost over, let it die. History will take care of the rest.

Let's move on.

Ron Paul or Obama......don't know...

 

[busyLivin]

How about you back up anything with some rational ideas or arguments? I've provided my side of the argument, you have done nothing but claim "NOPE, IM RIGHT! and agree with anyone who happens to agree with you"

kind of like this?

As I figured, blinded by your views. As Prince so aptly put it, "another brainwashed American.

".

 

[danzik17]

Still waiting on any rational arguments chief. I've provided mine, where are yours? Or do you not have any as I suspect?

 

[busyLivin]

What exactly do you want me to prove? That your dog theory is bunk?

The proof is in the pudding. You said attacking an angry dog doesn't make them stop.. I said that was a foolish & cowardly statement.

Not attacking them gave us 9/11, among several other attacks. Since then, we've been going after Al Qaeda & they haven't been able to attack us here once in 6 years. Does that really require any explanation?

 

[clemson357]

A lot of cultures still think a woman should be seen and not heard.

Only the good ones.

 

[tucker01]

What exactly do you want me to prove? That your dog theory is bunk?

The proof is in the pudding. You said attacking an angry dog doesn't make them stop.. I said that was a foolish & cowardly statement.

Not attacking them gave us 9/11, among several other attacks. Since then, we've been going after Al Qaeda & they haven't been able to attack us here once in 6 years. Does that really require any explanation?

So then might as well attack North Korea, China and a slew of other country cause the possibility of threat is there.

 

[maniclion]

What exactly do you want me to prove? That your dog theory is bunk?

The proof is in the pudding. You said attacking an angry dog doesn't make them stop.. I said that was a foolish & cowardly statement.

Ringing a word like "terrorism" or "9/11" and then feeding an angry pack of dogs lies hardly quenches their appetite for blood, you need more steak less sizzle, bring us the head of Osama Bin Laden or shut the fuck up about the Axis of Evil.....

 

[danzik17]

Exactly Iain. To be honest, I'm far more concerned about North Korea and Pakistan than I am about Iraq or Iran. Military dictators, itchy trigger fingers, known nuclear weapons. Even so, it does not mean we need to attack or even sanction a single one of them.

Stay out of their business. Trade and travel and talk, don't try to shape international politics.


busyLivin: It's quite obvious what you responded with, but you have not given a single iota of proof as to why what you say makes sense. Until then, consider this my last post in this thread trying to argue with you. It's impossible to win an argument against someone who's only response is "IM RIGHT, UR WRONG".

 

[danzik17]

Ringing a word like "terrorism" or "9/11" and then feeding an angry pack of dogs lies hardly quenches their appetite for blood, you need more steak less sizzle, bring us the head of Osama Bin Laden or shut the fuck up about the Axis of Evil.....

Exactly. I would still love to see Osama Bin Laden brought to justice, however I don't even know if he is still alive. Didn't he have to undergo frequent dialysis in order to survive, and that was back in like 2003? What are the odds he is still alive?

 

[busyLivin]

busyLivin: It's quite obvious what you responded with, but you have not given a single iota of proof as to why what you say makes sense. Until then, consider this my last post in this thread trying to argue with you. It's impossible to win an argument against someone who's only response is "IM RIGHT, UR WRONG".

Again, what I am I supposed to be responding to?

The first time you asked me for proof of anything was after your angry dog statement. I said that statement makes no sense, as Al Qaeda is unable to attack us while we have been attacking them. They flourished under our period of "doing nothing."

Is that not an anwer? If it's not, please explain what you want me to answer.. I'm certainly not dodging the question.