holy crap that thread got huge.
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Not looking good for California Prop 8
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there is a world of possibilities for this post and I just can't come up with one. I think I'm losing the source of all my powers
What does this have to do with prop 8? I'm totally lost by your post. How is this relevent?
there is a world of possibilities for this post and I just can't come up with one. I think I'm losing the source of all my powers
holy crap indeed.
Umm, our forefathers founded this country on God and the Bible. And most importantly MORALS.
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One person may find it immoral for two men to marry. The gay man finds it immoral that he can't be married to someone he loves. Morals are like ideals, they're dependant on the individual. And a person standing up for his ideals is a person standing alone.
I guess that is why the measure failed then huh? They stood alone.
no, morals come from a higher source. the people at large determine the morals of the community that they wish to live in.
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do straight people want to keep the right to dishonor their unions all to themselves or what? marriage is between a man and a woman works out well what percentage of the time? it more often becomes a union between spouses and their illicit lovers doesn't it?
marriage makes people miserable most of the time as evidenced by the divorce rate. maybe we should ban all marriages.
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do straight people want to keep the right to dishonor their unions all to themselves or what? marriage is between a man and a woman works out well what percentage of the time? it more often becomes a union between spouses and their illicit lovers doesn't it?
marriage makes people miserable most of the time as evidenced by the divorce rate. maybe we should ban all marriages.
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do straight people want to keep the right to dishonor their unions all to themselves or what? marriage is between a man and a woman works out well what percentage of the time? it more often becomes a union between spouses and their illicit lovers doesn't it?
marriage makes people miserable most of the time as evidenced by the divorce rate. maybe we should ban all marriages.
I agree with this.............I'm divorced, but I still don't see the idea that just because a large number of marriages don't work, that it should give a man/man or a woman/woman the right to get married. Apples to oranges IMO.
I could care less if gays want to marry. To each his own. Just don't bring it around me. What really bothers me though is that they want things such as insurance and entitlements meant for men and women. That drives up the cost of such things. It waay too high now that most americans don't have insurance.
if some snooty old broads morals say she can't have sex toys good for her. i don't want her deciding i can't have one. or more...
morals are a good thing but freedom to decide for oneself is becoming too rare. our forefathers kept slaves and sired black children thru rape of said slaves. our forefathers tortured people believed to be witches. it is not immoral for a man to love another man, it is simply against the morals of some. and i think it's insane that a man who cheats on his wife can decide to deny others the right to marry. he is moral in the voting booth but not his actions. it's ridiculous.
I like what you did there.
They just didn't have as many stand with them as the other side did
Prop 8 wasn't about anyones right to own sex toys was it? I agree freedoms are becoming rare. That is why we need big government out of our lives.
Nobody is perfect, but we must have some sort of guidlines to live by. If we don't, this whole world is doomed.
Edit: If some ol broad doesn't want sex toys, that's her loss.
sympathy is my strong suit and i just find it hard to believe that so many people can fail to see the gut wrenching cruelty of this decision. i think it is a civil rights issue. an all men are created equal and should be afforded the full protection of the law issue... i think it's fucking bullshit that in this country of supposed freedoms straights can draw a line in the sand and tell gays this is for only us not your kind.
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Waht the fuck is next? Will the redneck farmer try to marry his goat??? Holly crap......We are drowning in our own bull shit...A man can not marry another man, same goes for women...I believe in "domestic parteners" and that fine, they should be treated with respect and should be able to share benefits and such but actual marige is bull shit..Marige is between a Man and a Woman and thats how it should stay!! NO FREAKING Talk shit all you want but this is geting ridicoulous...
marriage makes people miserable most of the time as evidenced by the divorce rate. maybe we should ban all marriages.
the divorce rate is because of selfishness. the divorce rate is because one individual is putting themselves ahead of the union and marriage. just because there are current problems does not mean we get rid of it all together. I really do not believe that marriage makes people miserable most of the time. and i dont think you believe it either. im surprised to hear such a negative, defeatist attitude from you LW.
that part was a joke. but i do think it's selfish of straights to deny gays the right to marry, for straights to put themselves above their fellow man.
i do believe that MOST heterosexual marriage in this country are dishonored in one or multiple ways. i do believe that many people voted to protect the sanctity of an institution they themselves are guilty of dishonoring. straights are notoriously bad at marriage, look at the divorce rates. it's like a bunch of poachers denying others the right to hunt.
can you even imagine the heartache this decision caused so many people? do they not bleed because they are different than you? is it moral to be blind to the suffering of others?
I got a way for them to get around it. Two lesbians and two gay men could marry one another and then utilize benefits cross ways....everyone keeps saying it has to be man and woman but they mention nothing about being in love....
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That sounds like the basis for a very funny movie.
You think it was just liberals who voted for Obama, a whole hell of a lot of Republicans I know voted for Barrack, plus there are a lot of Bible thumping liberals out there.....
I have posted why I believe the way I do on this subject on the last thread. I feel it answers every one of the questions you brought up. I'm not willing to start that again. though. If you want to see the concerns of those who voted in favor of proposition 8. actual concerns, not just "we want marriage for ourselves so only we can be hypocrites" BS that isn't even a real argument. then go back and check it out. but I really dont think you have a true argument when everything is looked at.
There are a lot of Bible thumpers out there but if you are going to make an argument at least try to see it both ways. Our society may be "progressive" and people can say that people with different morals are discriminating against them but to the "Bible thumper" the norm for a long time has been marriage is between a man and a woman. As part of my religion I also believe this. So just because there is a large group trying to change the standard at least try to see it from the side who has upheld the standard of the past. At least in this country to get to vote on it and we are not like Iran where you get hung for it.
not at all, you are right. But more liberls voted him in than conservatives.
i did check out the thread and the links you provided. there is far too little respect on both sides. bottom line is the church needs to keep its fucking nose out of peoples bedrooms and the government needs to keep it's fucking nose out of the churches business.
god forbid some law takes away some poor child's right or reason to snicker and sneer at a homosexual by gasp educating them as to what a diverse world we live in.
Well, I think my job is done here! 
The governments job is not to teach my child what is right/wrong or morally sensible. that is the sole possession of parents and if they choose churches. and nothing in that article said we should sneer or snicker at homosexuals. the opposite actually when it came to how we should treat others.
this is not about the church looking in someones bedroom. that article never said anything about outlawing homosexuality or about judgment of homosexuals. what we are talking about is taking what goes on in the bedroom and now making it public. I dont care what they do in the bedroom, it should stay there. I do not support any legislation or judicial ruling that forces an individual or church to accept a practice that they do not agree with.
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