Not looking good for California Prop 8

[DOMS]

Born Gay?

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[Little Wing]

That's kind of his point, we're hardwired to procreate. It's the way we're built. He's saying that to do otherwise is a choice.

I'm still not certain if being gay is also hardwired, but I know I've seen women go though really bad relationships with some shitty guys, get out, and then "discover" that they're gay.

ummmm, not sure why it's so hard to believe so many people saying they were born attracted to the same sex. i'm inclined to take their word for it cuz they should know.

i have a friend that just went thru the whole discovered she's gay thing. she got really pissed and stopped talking to me cuz i said it was hard for me to believe it because of the way she talked about different guys before. sure enough it was give up on men try women go right back to guys cuz that's what she really likes. i slept with women before but they don't turn me on, pull my heart strings or any of the things i really feel for the opposite sex. people know what comes natural to them.

 

[tucker01]

I'm still not certain if being gay is also hardwired, but I know I've seen women go though really bad relationships with some shitty guys, get out, and then "discover" that they're gay.

Maybe because there is no distinguishing sexuality, and we lean towards male-female relationships for procreation, and our environmental influences forbid a male-male or female-female relationship.

 

[Little Wing]

you didn't answer my question.

For myself I don't ever remember being interested in the same sex. Then again as a small boy I wasn't attracted to girls either.

so about Lindsey Lohan as an example?

i don't know anything about lindsey lohan or her life. i hope you teach your kids to ignore her type. mine couldn't give two shits for her or paris hilton either.

 

[DOMS]

I know your not... and i ain't pro-gay. just a way to kill a friday afternoon.

If it is a choice, then why does it occur through out the animal kingdom, since fuck knows when?

If you're talking about animals like the bonobo monkey, it's doesn't make your case. The bonobo exhibit gay behavior as a learned response. Bonobos taken away from their troop and raised without that culture don't exhibit gay tendencies.

And, for the record, the bonobos aren't exclusively gay. They're all bi-sexual. No bonobo sticks to only having sex with its own gender.

 

[DOMS]

Maybe because there is no distinguishing sexuality, and we lean towards male-female relationships for procreation, and our environmental influences forbid a male-male or female-female relationship.

You've returned to the original question. Prove that point.

 

[bio-chem]

i slept with women before but they don't turn me on, pull my heart strings or any of the things i really feel for the opposite sex.

This seems to me to be a pretty strong argument that homosexuality is a choice.

 

[DOMS]

ummmm, not sure why it's so hard to believe so many people saying they were born attracted to the same sex. i'm inclined to take their word for it cuz they should know.

i have a friend that just went thru the whole discovered she's gay thing. she got really pissed and stopped talking to me cuz i said it was hard for me to believe it because of the way she talked about different guys before. sure enough it was give up on men try women go right back to guys cuz that's what she really likes. i slept with women before but they don't turn me on, pull my heart strings or any of the things i really feel for the opposite sex. people know what comes natural to them.

When people need to justify a choice, they'll say (and think) anything they need to. It's basic human psychology and a major problem for almost all people.

 

[Little Wing]

First-ever museum display shows 51 species exhibiting homosexuality



Gay animals out of the closet? - LiveScience

 

[KelJu]

That's kind of his point, we're hardwired to procreate. It's the way we're built. He's saying that to do otherwise is a choice.

I'm still not certain if being gay is also hardwired, but I know I've seen women go though really bad relationships with some shitty guys, get out, and then "discover" that they're gay.

That is a good point that I can't explain. I have also seen this. However, someone once told me something that helped me understand it. It was a guy who said he use to have sex with men and women. I exclaimed that I didn't know he was bi-sexual. He said "I never said I was bi-sexual, I said I had sex with men and women".



He later told me that he had a rough childhood where he didn't feel loved and wanted. He sought to find that love in the wrong places and didn't realize it until he was older and wiser.

That might explain the situation with the women saying their are gay after a bad relationship with a guy. They may not truly be gay, however their fear of being mistreated and hurt again causes them to believe something that isn't true.

However this opens up a backdoor for attack of my argument that sexual preference isn't a choice. I think most of the time it isn't a choice but, there are times where trauma can cause someone who isn't suppose to be a certain way turn out that way. In a sense that still isn't a choice exactly.

Self defense mechanisms are a crazy damn thing. I don't pretend to understand what is goign on at that deep level of the mind.

 

[bio-chem]

First-ever museum display shows 51 species exhibiting homosexuality



Gay animals out of the closet? - LiveScience

Animals also murder and cannibalize each other as well. I think we can all agree that those are not acceptable. I don't think a male monkey putting his pee pee in another male monkey's ass is a legit argument for allowing gay marriage. thats just me. i could be wrong.

 

[DOMS]

That is a good point that I can't explain. I have also seen this. However, someone once told me something that helped me understand it. It was a guy who said he use to have sex with men and women. I exclaimed that I didn't know he was bi-sexual. He said "I never said I was bi-sexual, I said I had sex with men and women".



He later told me that he had a rough childhood where he didn't feel loved and wanted. He sought to find that love in the wrong places and didn't realize it until he was older and wiser.

That might explain the situation with the women saying their are gay after a bad relationship with a guy. They may not truly be gay, however their fear of being mistreated and hurt again causes them to believe something that isn't true.

However this opens up a backdoor for attack of my argument that sexual preference isn't a choice. I think most of the time it isn't a choice but, there are times where trauma can cause someone who isn't suppose to be a certain way turn out that way. In a sense that still isn't a choice exactly.

Self defense mechanisms are a crazy damn thing. I don't pretend to understand what is goign on at that deep level of the mind.

That proves that, at least for some, that being gay is a choice. Simple reasoning says it's possible that every gay person made such a choice. But there's nothing to proves that it's not a choice for some.

 

[Little Wing]

This seems to me to be a pretty strong argument that homosexuality is a choice.

there was a male there also. the stuff her n i did was for his amusement. it didn't really bother me but it really surprised me that touching her n being touched by her was "like touching cardboard... just not exciting". i don't see why it's so hard to understand some people feel that way toward the opposite sex. i can choose to sleep with a woman but i cannot choose to sexually respond to one. i wasn't adverse to responding i just felt nothing. i really doubt so many same sex lovers would do it without sexual feelings and responses being there. wth would be the point?

 

[DOMS]

Animals also murder and cannibalize each other as well. I think we can all agree that those are not acceptable. I don't think a male monkey putting his pee pee in another male monkey's ass is a legit argument for allowing gay marriage. thats just me. i could be wrong.

Some animals also perform slavery.

 

[KelJu]

Has anybody ever considered homosexuality as nature's way of trying to help control the population. I juts made that up and have no scientific data, I just thought it was an amazing question.

 

[Little Wing]

Animals also murder and cannibalize each other as well.

uh. so do people.

 

[tucker01]

You've returned to the original question. Prove that point.

I have no proof and really don't plan to gather any proof. I am just of a position that is not bothered by unions of gay people, and see no reason that they shouldn't reap the same benefits as a straight couple. I could see being upset with calling it marriage, but heck a civil union or whatever is fine.

I really don't have a problem with prop 8 being approved, this is a democracy, and the majority voted in favour, but slowly the generational gap is closing, and there will be a time in my lifetime where this will be struck down.

 

[bio-chem]

That is a good point that I can't explain. I have also seen this. However, someone once told me something that helped me understand it. It was a guy who said he use to have sex with men and women. I exclaimed that I didn't know he was bi-sexual. He said "I never said I was bi-sexual, I said I had sex with men and women".



He later told me that he had a rough childhood where he didn't feel loved and wanted. He sought to find that love in the wrong places and didn't realize it until he was older and wiser.

That might explain the situation with the women saying their are gay after a bad relationship with a guy. They may not truly be gay, however their fear of being mistreated and hurt again causes them to believe something that isn't true.

However this opens up a backdoor for attack of my argument that sexual preference isn't a choice. I think most of the time it isn't a choice but, there are times where trauma can cause someone who isn't suppose to be a certain way turn out that way. In a sense that still isn't a choice exactly.

Self defense mechanisms are a crazy damn thing. I don't pretend to understand what is goign on at that deep level of the mind.

Seems to me that I agree with you. This is not an easy topic to pin down. the genesis for same gender attraction could have many potential starting points. I don't think we understand this enough to say with any certainty at least.

 

[DOMS]

Has anybody ever considered homosexuality as nature's way of trying to help control the population. I juts made that up and have no scientific data, I just thought it was an amazing question.

Nature uses resources, predators and disease to control populations.

 

[DOMS]

I have no proof and really don't plan to gather any proof. I am just of a position that is not bothered by unions of gay people, and see no reason that they shouldn't reap the same benefits as a straight couple. I could see being upset with calling it marriage, but heck a civil union or whatever is fine.

I really don't have a problem with prop 8 being approved, this is a democracy, and the majority voted in favour, but slowly the generational gap is closing, and there will be a time in my lifetime where this will be struck down.

I wasn't really discussing gay marriage so much as just being gay in general.

 

[tucker01]

Nature uses resources, predators and disease to control populations.

You speak in such absolutes, we haven't even scratched the surface on how our environment interacts with species, and species control.

 

[bio-chem]

uh. so do people.

yup so do people. and we recognize this as being wrong and detrimental to society, and have made laws against it. my point being just because it happens in nature does not mean it is acceptable for humans.

 

[Little Wing]

yup so do people. and we recognize this as being wrong and detrimental to society, and have made laws against it. my point being just because it happens in nature does not mean it is acceptable for humans.

and yet we execute murderers? sometimes killing people is ok with god even isn't it?

 

[bio-chem]

Has anybody ever considered homosexuality as nature's way of trying to help control the population. I juts made that up and have no scientific data, I just thought it was an amazing question.

its an interesting thought. Do we find a greater percentage of homosexuals in drought stricken areas where recourses are lowest and keeping the population down may be needed?

you are now stating that homosexuality is based on an external circumstance of environment. not really a good way to state that gays should be married.

 

[DOMS]

You speak in such absolutes, we haven't even scratched the surface on how our environment interacts with species, and species control.

I didn't say it was an all inclusive list. But, yet again, you can't prove that sexual orientation is used in such a manner.

If we're going to make shit up, I think that aliens from other planets help to control human population on Earth.

 

[Little Wing]

Mom and Dad and Dad
Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own.

 

[tucker01]

I didn't say it was an all inclusive list. But, yet again, you can't prove that sexual orientation is used in such a manner.

If we're going to make shit up, I think that aliens from other planets help to control human population on Earth.

Fuck Aliens....for real!!!!

 

[DOMS]

Mom and Dad and Dad
Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own.

Two males raising a duckling doesn't constitute being gay. Do they have sex?

 

[bio-chem]

Mom and Dad and Dad
Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own.

yet more behavior exhibited in nature that I don't think is appropriate for humans.

 

[tucker01]

yet more behavior exhibited in nature that I don't think is appropriate for humans.

How is it detrimental?