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Is Donovan McNabb really that stupid?

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I think Donovan is a top 5 guy of his generation of quarterbacks. He is a great quarterback who is hardly washed up. I'm not calling for his head at all. I think he is still a great quarterback in the league and the eagles should leave him as a starter and weather this storm.

Michael Vick had a high winning percentage as well. comparing McNabb to some of the greatest qb's of all time is just a joke. he doesn't stand up to an Elway, Marino, Favre, Unitas, Manning. regardless of what statistic one wants to use.

How about all of them?

You just named probably 5 of the 10 greatest QB's of all time, of course he's not on their level when it comes to awards in the trophy case, and once again, nobody is saying he is. However, his career stats on paper are just as impressive, and you'd have to be a complete idiot (or in your case just an argumentative fuck-head) to say otherwise. But since you contend that stats don't matter, the NFL might as well just stop keeping them, right?
 
How about all of them?

You just named probably 5 of the 10 greatest QB's of all time, of course he's not on their level when it comes to awards in the trophy case, and once again, nobody is saying he is. However, his career stats on paper are just as impressive, and you'd have to be a complete idiot (or in your case just an argumentative fuck-head) to say otherwise. But since you contend that stats don't matter, the NFL might as well just stop keeping them, right?

all right you stupid cunt. pull your head out your ass. I don't have a problem with donovan mcnabb. ive already said he is a good quarterback that should remain the starter. and i like stats just fine when they are put into perspective. (something you are absolutely incapable of grasping). i find "on paper" stats to be asinine. like i said, michael vick has a pretty high winning percentage as well, but i wouln't put his name on any list.

up until now i agreed with your point, i just felt the rational you were using to prove your argument was flawed. now i realize you are just a dumb ass. thats fine. now that it has been established it will be easier to deal with you.
 
a little sand in the vagina in this thread.
 
all right you stupid cunt. pull your head out your ass. I don't have a problem with donovan mcnabb. ive already said he is a good quarterback that should remain the starter. and i like stats just fine when they are put into perspective. (something you are absolutely incapable of grasping). i find "on paper" stats to be asinine. like i said, michael vick has a pretty high winning percentage as well, but i wouln't put his name on any list.

up until now i agreed with your point, i just felt the rational you were using to prove your argument was flawed. now i realize you are just a dumb ass. thats fine. now that it has been established it will be easier to deal with you.

You're such a loser. :laugh:

There's no flaw to my rational, I was making the simple point that Donovan is better than most give him credit for AND YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!! But because you don't find merit in stats, my rational is flawed? You are such a pompous cocksucker.

I don't expect any less from you though. You do this every time you're wrong. You attempt to destroy the credibility of the person you're arguing with by insulting them, telling them their facts are somehow inadmissible, then sprinkling more bullshit on top all in hopes that somehow you can divert attention away from you being wrong.

Choke on a dick fuckface. :thumb:
 
eh. i think mcnabb is over-rated.
 
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You're such a loser. :laugh:

There's no flaw to my rational, I was making the simple point that Donovan is better than most give him credit for AND YOU AGREE WITH ME YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!! But because you don't find merit in stats, my rational is flawed? You are such a pompous cocksucker.

I don't expect any less from you though. You do this every time you're wrong. You attempt to destroy the credibility of the person you're arguing with by insulting them, telling them their facts are somehow inadmissible, then sprinkling more bullshit on top all in hopes that somehow you can divert attention away from you being wrong.

Choke on a dick fuckface. :thumb:

and im the one who name calls? you're argument is absolutely flawed. there are plenty of crappy quarterbacks who have a high winning percentage. (ive already given an example) and hall of fame quarterbacks with a low QB rating. there are also qb's with an amazing qb rating that in no way deserve hall of fame consideration. QB rating throughout the league is always going up. qb's of the 70's are lower than the 80's which are lower than the 90's and lower than today. what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges without acknowledging it for the sake of your own argument. in conclusion you are a dumb ass.
 
and im the one who name calls? you're argument is absolutely flawed. there are plenty of crappy quarterbacks who have a high winning percentage. (ive already given an example) and hall of fame quarterbacks with a low QB rating. there are also qb's with an amazing qb rating that in no way deserve hall of fame consideration. QB rating throughout the league is always going up. qb's of the 70's are lower than the 80's which are lower than the 90's and lower than today. what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges without acknowledging it for the sake of your own argument. in conclusion you are a dumb ass.

Michael Vick is one of the most gifted athletes to ever play in the NFL. He is so gifted in fact, he literally put the whole team on his back and carried them to the playoffs. He's probably the worst example you could have come up with actually, and his winning percentage is still 10 percent less than McNabb's, with considerably less time played.

I've already conceded to the fact that passer rating isn't the best way to go about valuing a QB which is why I presented the other stats. Not quite sure why you're still bringing this up...

Of course there are some shitty QB's with decent winning percentages, but they were on good teams with very different philosphies. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson come to mind immidiately. They were asked not to lose games, allowing defense and a solid running attacks to win ballgames, opposed to what Andy Reid has asked of Donovan. There is just no arguing a QB's winning percentage when your offense passes almost 70% of the time!! Donovan has won 65% of the games he's started and was asked to carry most of the workload his entire career without anyone to even throw to for the bulk of it.

How people consider him overrated, and how you consider that comparing apples to oranges I guess is too much for this dumbass to comprehend.. :rolleyes:
 
Michael Vick is one of the most gifted athletes to ever play in the NFL. He is so gifted in fact, he literally put the whole team on his back and carried them to the playoffs. He's probably the worst example you could have come up with actually, and his winning percentage is still 10 percent less than McNabb's, with considerably less time played.

I've already conceded to the fact that passer rating isn't the best way to go about valuing a QB which is why I presented the other stats. Not quite sure why you're still bringing this up...

Of course there are some shitty QB's with decent winning percentages, but they were on good teams with very different philosphies. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson come to mind immidiately. They were asked not to lose games, allowing defense and a solid running attacks to win ballgames, opposed to what Andy Reid has asked of Donovan. There is just no arguing a QB's winning percentage when your offense passes almost 70% of the time!! Donovan has won 65% of the games he's started and was asked to carry most of the workload his entire career without anyone to even throw to for the bulk of it.

How people consider him overrated, and how you consider that comparing apples to oranges I guess is too much for this dumbass to comprehend.. :rolleyes:

WOW. I understand now. You suck Donovans dick. dude what ever works for you
 
jeez...you guys are getting to personal over this.

anyway, the reason i think he is overrated is because people seem to give him a ton of credit when he hasn't been able to string together consistent seasons....he is injured, then he is healthy but the team is playing mediocre, then he gets injured and garcia comes in a navigates the team pretty well, then donovan comes back and they are okay but he gets injured again.

I think if he was healthy for a significant amount of time, we would be able to see what a great player he potentially could be (or could have been), but because things seem to be so up and down in his career, I think that he is more of a "could have been" type of player and people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
I don't even understand whats being argued here.

If McNabb and some other stars have similar stats, why can't you argue that they had similar careers?
 
Another blow out? We shall see.
 
thanksgiving football has been boring as shit this year!
 
thanksgiving football has been boring as shit this year!

All those games were shit. I at least hoped for a decent game between Arizona and Philly, however I know that any west coast team that has travelled east to play hasn't won this year.... so I wasn't too optimistic.
 
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All those games were shit. I at least hoped for a decent game between Arizona and Philly, however I know that any west coast team that has travelled east to play hasn't won this year.... so I wasn't too optimistic.

They said last night that west coast teams traveling to the east coast are a combined 0-15 this year. Wow.
 
The sports forum could use more non-MMA heated debates.

Red Sox vs Yankees ain't much of a debate anymore since the Yankees suck so horribly these days.
 
The sports forum could use more non-MMA heated debates.

Red Sox vs Yankees ain't much of a debate anymore since the Yankees suck so horribly these days.

Lets talk about the Detroit Lions.
 
Their remaining schedule:

Minnesota
at Indianapolis
New Orleans
at Green Bay


I predict they will beat Green Bay week 17.


HAHA.... that is what I keep thinking... and I am a Green Bay fan :(
 
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