Ephedrine + Aspirin + Caffeine

[michael74737]

Anyone have any opinion about this:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1]"To date it has not been determined if the ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin combination can enhance muscle growth and fat loss in healthy, exercising adults. However, based on what we know about the ??Ÿ-agonist system, it is certainly possible. It is important to note, however, that a small handful of subjects among the large subject pool had to drop out of the study due to an intolerance to the supplementation regime. So it appears that most people can use the ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin combination with no problems, while a small handful of people may be intolerant. A consultation with a physician is suggested before beginning this supplementation regime."[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

Source: Muscle Growth and Fat Loss by Stimulating the Beta-Agonist System - The Role of Ephedrine, Caffeine, and Aspirin

 

[michael74737]

P.S

If you have heard of this dose anyone know the dosages for each?

 

[Built]

Beta agonists haven't been shown to enhance muscle growth in humans. Sadly.

That being said, EC can be very helpful while cutting if for no other reason than it helps suppress appetite a little while providing extra energy and no extra calories. That plus the enhancement of insulin resistance (if you can't store glycogen very well, your muscles don't have it to burn so they burn fat instead) makes it an excellent diet drug.

Provided you already know how to diet, of course...

 

[Built]

P.S

If you have heard of this dose anyone know the dosages for each?

Mar 2000: Thermogenic Weight Loss Products: FAQ and Price Guide (pg 6)

 

[michael74737]

Have they been show to have no effect on muscle development or is there just no evidence yet?

 

[michael74737]

Also, id like to ask. Since Ephedrine has been banned in the USA, what is your opinion on the effective of Synephrine?

 

[Built]

Ephedrine has never been banned in the USA.

 

[Built]

Have they been show to have no effect on muscle development or is there just no evidence yet?

The nature of hypothesis testing is that you test the treatment to see if it has an effect. You start out assuming the negative - that is, that there is no treatment effect.

In any test on humans, there has never been an anabolic effect due to these substances. The null has never been rejected.

 

[michael74737]

The nature of hypothesis testing is that you test the treatment to see if it has an effect. You start out assuming the negative - that is, that there is no treatment effect.

In any test on humans, there has never been an anabolic effect due to these substances. The null has never been rejected.

I hear you. Where can I find ephedrine? I assumed it was banned when Ephedra was. Just the same, how do you rate the effectiveness of Synephrine?

 

[Built]

Synephrine is not a player IMO.

 

[nni]

synephrine is not an ephedrine replacement. you can find epherdine hcl in some bronchio aids, or the herbal in doses less than 10mg in some products.

standard dosing is 25mg e 200mg c. you can add the a or not, no biggie.

 

[ironbull]

how much of a difference in weight loss would the ec stack with good diet be vs no ec with good diet

 

[Built]

Very very little.

 

[ironbull]

Very very little.

then why is it so popular??

 

[Built]

It helps suppress appetite and helps give you some energy to train while operating under a deficit. Helps protect LBM a bit too, by enhancing insulin resistance.

 

[ironbull]

It helps suppress appetite and helps give you some energy to train while operating under a deficit. Helps protect LBM a bit too, by enhancing insulin resistance.

i heard people say i was better than clen. true?

 

[ARMYDOC]

Ephedrine and Caffeine are fine in moderate doses. Ephedrine will increase oxygen availability- the downside is the vasoconstriction, increase in resting heartrate, and elevated blood pressure. Seems to me they were trying to counteract this effect somewhat with the aspirin- a blood thinner, or anticoagulant. I will take the occasional pseudoephedrine tablet myself for an occasional pickup; just be careful with something the cookers use as their main ingredient in meth

 

[Built]

Ephedrine isn't meth.

 

[ARMYDOC]

I didn't say it was meth, it is the base ingredient

 

[Built]

Okay, but wild Mexican yams are a base ingredient for bioidentical sex hormones. The conversion takes place in a lab, not the body. Same thing with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine and meth - the conversion can only be performed outside the body.

 

[ARMYDOC]

ok, I agree. no more playing "stretch the metaphor". My primary concern is that ephedra, ephedrine, pseudoephedrine is a substance that I see abused often. I see soldiers come in with irregular hearbeats and breathing difficulty from misuse, not always deliberate, of these chemicals. Just want people to be aware of how they can stack up and sneak up on you. Its usually an innocent mistake from not knowing how many stimulants they took; "yeah doc, i had a stuffy nose so I took some decongestant, drank my usual monster-sized coffee, drank my preworkout shake- then they go running or spend an hour doing squats and wonder why their heart is trying to crawl out of their chest! whew, I'm done. I need a double sized Blue Monster....

 

[Ben dur]

I need a double sized Blue Monster....

because theres absolutely no stimulants in the "blue" monster....

 

[ARMYDOC]

those who can't do...teach!

 

[Jeff the Repper]

The ECA stack is about the best fat loss stack you cak take and is very safe within reason. I bellieve pure Ehpedrine has been banned for sale in the US but is readily available in Canada and cheap. I don't think you can compare it to Clen but it is safer. The dosage posted is about right too 20-25Mg Eph with 200MG Caffeine and one adult aspirin ( not sure of the MG's in that one ) taken three times daily. Do be sure to cycle it because your body will adapt to the stack. I would say no more than four week cycles.

 

[Built]

Pure ephedrine HCL has never been illegal in the USA. The herb ephedra is not available.

Drumlib suggests NOT cycling it. Mar 2000: Thermogenic Weight Loss Products: FAQ and Price Guide (pg 3)

 

[AKIRA]

If its not illegal, why couldnt I find it at stores a couple years back?

 

[Merkaba]

If its not illegal, why couldnt I find it at stores a couple years back?

liability and insurance!

 

[Merkaba]

ok, I agree. no more playing "stretch the metaphor". My primary concern is that ephedra, ephedrine, pseudoephedrine is a substance that I see abused often. I see soldiers come in with irregular hearbeats and breathing difficulty from misuse, not always deliberate, of these chemicals. Just want people to be aware of how they can stack up and sneak up on you. Its usually an innocent mistake from not knowing how many stimulants they took; "yeah doc, i had a stuffy nose so I took some decongestant, drank my usual monster-sized coffee, drank my preworkout shake- then they go running or spend an hour doing squats and wonder why their heart is trying to crawl out of their chest! whew, I'm done. I need a double sized Blue Monster....

Before I knew about the different names of caffeine and its cousins I would get these symptoms. Maybe if I had a cold and took some medicine with pseudoephrine in it, later take some more then do my pre workout caffeine and later my heart is skipping. I can be pretty sensitive to caffeine so I learned it the hard way. I don't like things messing with my ticker. When I was in college I would get up and have two small cups of coffee and some of the old,I think, Ripped Fuel back when it had ephedra in it I'm sure. Man I would be geeked and loved it, zoom through classes right til about 12 when I would crash and either have to take more or go to sleep. If I didnt have class I would take a nap and get up and maybe pop a few more. Back then I could run all day too. Surpised I wasnt a statistic.

 

[FishOrCutBait]

Surpised I wasnt a statistic.

thing is you didnt take ten doses, and you werent hugely out of shape, (or wearing thirty pounds of pads in 100+ degree weather with crazy humidity) which are the killers

 

[ARMYDOC]

I think its just common sense- which i think most of us use. Its just a matter of reading the label and realizing "ok, if I drink this its like 5 cups of coffee", and planning accordingly. oh yeah, and DRINK WATER!