the exact same thing happenedt me, they told me i was below normal but refused to treat until it got worse...bullshit...yet they prescribe pain narcotics like candy.
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the exact same thing happenedt me, they told me i was below normal but refused to treat until it got worse...bullshit...yet they prescribe pain narcotics like candy.
Just got back from the doctor. He said he suggests Testim for now but puts most on injections at some point because of the cost. I just went with it. Testim 1% for six weeks then back to the doc to test my levels. This assumes my insurance covers this expensive T gel.
Get the shots. They work better. Transdermals work fine for me, I need so little it's no big deal. For a man, you'll need a lot.
How many grams of gel do you use daily on your scrip?
How many grams of gel do you use daily on your scrip?
5 so 50mg
Well, I guess what the real question is what % will get absorbed. It's suppose to be better than Androgel(sp?). Anyhow, here is the site with any information you would like:
Using Testim in 3 Easy Steps
Doc says it may put me at 500-600ng/dL
Shots at his suggested dose: 1200ng/dL to start with that fades back to my low 2 weeks later. So 1200 down to 200ng/dL take a shot and 1200 to 200 ....... or something like that. I was nervous so I missed the shot dose.
Using Testim in 3 Easy Steps
Doc says it may put me at 500-600ng/dL
Shots at his suggested dose: 1200ng/dL to start with that fades back to my low 2 weeks later. So 1200 down to 200ng/dL take a shot and 1200 to 200 ....... or something like that. I was nervous so I missed the shot dose.
Then you need to ask for a referral to an endocrinologist, preferably one who specializes on male issues/HRT. That none of the docs suggested that shows poorly on them. A good endocrinologist can figure out where in the HPTA pathway the problem is, and might be able to diagnose the cause and or put you on HRT. That's what your next step needs to be.
Only if the doc lets you give yourself the shot and only if the doc knows it should be a weekly shot, not a bi weekly shot. 100mg-150mg per week of cyp/enanth gives fairly steady "high normal" blood levels in men, but most MDs lack experience, look in the book, and opt for 200-300mg every 2-3 weeks, which gives you a big spike, followed by a big drop. It's not rocket science to use small doses more often to over lap the half life of these esters, but most docs don't have a clue and force the person to come in for the shot to the office, so it's double wammy $$$. In that particular situation, the gels are probably the better option here.
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Glycoalcohol I guess.
I just got it today. It seems wise to take it after my morning shower.
Inactive ingredients:
Carbopol 980, Pentadecalactone, Acrylates,
Propylene Glycol, Glycerin, Polyethylene
Glycol, Alcohol, Tromethamine, Purified
Water
Glycoalcohol I guess.
I just got it today. It seems wise to take it after my morning shower.
Inactive ingredients:
Carbopol 980, Pentadecalactone, Acrylates,
Propylene Glycol, Glycerin, Polyethylene
Glycol, Alcohol, Tromethamine, Purified
Water
I take most of mine about two hours before I train, and the rest just before. I figure when I heat up and sweat, it'll probably increase skin permeability.
Most estimates for absorption suggest 10% makes it through the skin.
Most estimates for absorption suggest 10% makes it through the skin.
I'm interested in your "Interesting."
How much are you on and is it from an anti-aging/metabolic wellness type doc?
updates???
For the sake of cost I would try for cyp injections at home. Androgel is WAY more $$$ for less. I am trying to get switched because the gel sucks! If self injections are not an option then I am going to have my stuff made at a compounding pharmacy for a fraction of the cost. They can make it much stronger in a base that is not so bad for the skin. So you use less and don't have that alcohol crap drying you out.
I get my test transdermal compounded.
Allow me to recommend versabase, with vitamin E, and for the love of GOD tell them to load it into large syringes for ease of dosing.
Allow me to recommend versabase, with vitamin E, and for the love of GOD tell them to load it into large syringes for ease of dosing.
I didn't need it now I have it. I had no idea I was low on it because I gained without it.
It's like WOW!! I had no idea of it's effects on how I felt.. forget about the gains. I don't even feel like the same person. I'm better in a number of ways.
My test came back on my serum testosterone level while using Testim. It came back 1903 ng/dL reference interval of 241-827 with the testing lab.
I think I over did the ways to maximize the medication. The doctor wrote, ".. I suspect we picked up some testosterone from your skin - doubt it was really this high." I never put any on that day.
Anyhow I switched to shots more on that later.
I think I over did the ways to maximize the medication. The doctor wrote, ".. I suspect we picked up some testosterone from your skin - doubt it was really this high." I never put any on that day.
Anyhow I switched to shots more on that later.
My test came back on my serum testosterone level while using Testim. It came back 1903 ng/dL reference interval of 241-827 with the testing lab.
I think I over did the ways to maximize the medication. The doctor wrote, ".. I suspect we picked up some testosterone from your skin - doubt it was really this high." I never put any on that day.
Anyhow I switched to shots more on that later.
What did you do to maximize the dose? Thats pretty high test levels.
Nothing I would suggest, sorry. I was really just pissed off it cost so much and was trying to get my money's worth. I think you should always fallow your doctor's orders. Shots make it easier for me to do that because they don't piss me off.
That doesn't sound appealing if it's not worth mentioning...haha..did you rub it on your junk or something?
That crap is loaded with alcohol so that would burn....anyways glad you got the shots.
That crap is loaded with alcohol so that would burn....anyways glad you got the shots.
Okay, that was my first thought too lmao!
Genital skin is very permeable - and has a lot of 5-alpha-reductase - I imagine the conversion will be higher when testosterone is applied there.
I get the Androgel 6 months supply (5g per day) for like $60 through mail order...can't argue with that
