I Don't Hate Jews , I Hate Israel

[Big Smoothy]

No answer....no surprise there.

We're waiting.

 

[PreMier]

I just hope there will be god waiting for them when they die; otherwise, they will be so mad at themselves for being so stupid all their lives.

you think people are being stupid for believing in a god? grow up.. the more and more i read your posts, the dumber i get.

 

[Will Brink]

And more importantly Zionism.

Israel has exploited the idea of identity politics, they've created this idea that if you're Jewish, you MUST support Israel. Since so many hate their policies, a lot of people conclude that they hate the Jews. This is sad and is Israel's fault for forcing people to identify with them.

I hate Israel, not the Jews. And this is a thread were over time I will educate and intellectually debate the many reasons.

There has been 800 deaths or so of palestinians after they sent much rockets into Israel, and the world is horrified by these deaths. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of civilians are being killed in places like the Congo. But it's not just people caught up between the fighting, it's systematic killing and regular wide spread torture of civilians, especially women. And by women, I mean 6 month old infants being raped by gangs until they die. Roving troops sent into a village to rape all the women and little girls for the specific intent of giving them AIDs and terrorizing the population, and that's not even the worst tails I could tell... Atrocities at levels the Israel/palestinian conflict look like a school yard fight. Where is the worlds outrage over this? I gonna sound really jaded here, but is it because it's "only" happening to black people? Congo lacks strategic value, so who gives a fuc%? Africa is a mess, but so is the Middle East, and yet "we" persist in making attempts to change it.

It's only a bunch of black people with no oil right???!! WTF? There's some people over there in bad need of lead poisoning.

Give this short NPR program a listen...

Group Fights Rape In Democratic Republic Of Congo

Weekend Edition Saturday, January 24, 2009 · Rape ??? as much as guns or knives ??? has become a savage weapon in the civil wars of Congo. Hundreds of thousands of women reportedly have been systematically sexually attacked during the conflict.

Congolese rebel leader Laurent Nkunda was arrested in Rwanda on Friday. Groups such as Human Rights Watch have said that soldiers under his command have been responsible for some of the widespread violence against women in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

NPR's Scott Simon talks with Eve Ensler, playwright and activist, and Dr. Denis Mukwege, the founder of a hospital in Congo that's helping victims of rape and mutilation, about their upcoming tour to raise awareness of what's happening to women and girls in Congo.

Listen to the program on NPR here:

Group Fights Rape In Democratic Republic Of Congo : NPR

I'm disgusted the Israel/Palast gets the attention it does.

 

[KelJu]

you are fucking goin overboard.

get in check

I agree with her 100%. Jesus was awesome. I don't know about the whole son of god thing, but Jesus as a man, embodied everything that was pure and beautiful about spirituality. Most of the modern day Christians that I run into or see on TV don't seem to embody his core values so much.

I don't think Jesus would see eye to eye with any of the modern day conservative christian leaders. Now, I know you don't believe the same things as people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson, or at least I hope you don't. But, those people are representing you, and those people have generated more hatred towards religion than any other factor.

You just can;t say things like God loves America more than the rest of the world. You can't say things like god hates fag and is sending them to hell. Well, you can say things like that and people do, but they lose all credibility. It sure as fuck doesn't help your cause.

 

[min0 lee]

There has been 800 deaths or so of palestinians after they sent much rockets into Israel, and the world is horrified by these deaths. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of civilians are being killed in places like the Congo. But it's not just people caught up between the fighting, it's systematic killing and regular wide spread torture of civilians, especially women. And by women, I mean 6 month old infants being raped by gangs until they die. Roving troops sent into a village to rape all the women and little girls for the specific intent of giving them AIDs and terrorizing the population, and that's not even the worst tails I could tell... Atrocities at levels the Israel/palestinian conflict look like a school yard fight. Where is the worlds outrage over this? I gonna sound really jaded here, but is it because it's "only" happening to black people? Congo lacks strategic value, so who gives a fuc%? Africa is a mess, but so is the Middle East, and yet "we" persist in making attempts to change it.

It's only a bunch of black people with no oil right???!! WTF? There's some people over there in bad need of lead poisoning.

Give this short NPR program a listen...

Group Fights Rape In Democratic Republic Of Congo

Weekend Edition Saturday, January 24, 2009 · Rape ??? as much as guns or knives ??? has become a savage weapon in the civil wars of Congo. Hundreds of thousands of women reportedly have been systematically sexually attacked during the conflict.

Congolese rebel leader Laurent Nkunda was arrested in Rwanda on Friday. Groups such as Human Rights Watch have said that soldiers under his command have been responsible for some of the widespread violence against women in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

NPR's Scott Simon talks with Eve Ensler, playwright and activist, and Dr. Denis Mukwege, the founder of a hospital in Congo that's helping victims of rape and mutilation, about their upcoming tour to raise awareness of what's happening to women and girls in Congo.

Listen to the program on NPR here:

Group Fights Rape In Democratic Republic Of Congo : NPR

I'm disgusted the Israel/Palast gets the attention it does.

Well said.

 

[KelJu]

There has been 800 deaths or so of palestinians after they sent much rockets into Israel, and the world is horrified by these deaths. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of civilians are being killed in places like the Congo. But it's not just people caught up between the fighting, it's systematic killing and regular wide spread torture of civilians, especially women. And by women, I mean 6 month old infants being raped by gangs until they die. Roving troops sent into a village to rape all the women and little girls for the specific intent of giving them AIDs and terrorizing the population, and that's not even the worst tails I could tell... Atrocities at levels the Israel/palestinian conflict look like a school yard fight. Where is the worlds outrage over this? I gonna sound really jaded here, but is it because it's "only" happening to black people? Congo lacks strategic value, so who gives a fuc%? Africa is a mess, but so is the Middle East, and yet "we" persist in making attempts to change it.

It's only a bunch of black people with no oil right???!! WTF? There's some people over there in bad need of lead poisoning.

Give this short NPR program a listen...

Group Fights Rape In Democratic Republic Of Congo

Weekend Edition Saturday, January 24, 2009 · Rape ??? as much as guns or knives ??? has become a savage weapon in the civil wars of Congo. Hundreds of thousands of women reportedly have been systematically sexually attacked during the conflict.

Congolese rebel leader Laurent Nkunda was arrested in Rwanda on Friday. Groups such as Human Rights Watch have said that soldiers under his command have been responsible for some of the widespread violence against women in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

NPR's Scott Simon talks with Eve Ensler, playwright and activist, and Dr. Denis Mukwege, the founder of a hospital in Congo that's helping victims of rape and mutilation, about their upcoming tour to raise awareness of what's happening to women and girls in Congo.

Listen to the program on NPR here:

Group Fights Rape In Democratic Republic Of Congo : NPR

I'm disgusted the Israel/Palast gets the attention it does.

Truth overload!

But it doesn't surprise me. There are a lot of American Jews with a lot of money and power. Israel is part of the in-crowd by association.

 

[maniclion]

murdered and suicide are two different things. there is no comparison to what these two men accomplished and what this woman needlessly sacrificed her life for.

Both men were killed standing up to an idea, those who they were standing up against were bulldozers of power. Ghandi was beaten multiple times in South Africa any of those times he could have died, remember he also almost died when he fasted for the Muslims to be allowed to stay in India and for Indian Hindis and Pakistani Muslims to stop fighting....
King Jr. knew that he was a target for the Klan and for any of the white men who hated what he was doing. He went to Memphis despite a bomb threat on his plane, his last speech even shows that he knew his life was in grave danger but he kept on doing what he felt he had to do. "I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land."

So had that girl succeeded in stopping that dozer and more Palestinians saw it be effective she might have started a peaceful protest movement, we never know. What I do know is that both men wouldn't call her stupid they would say she was brave for trying to make a stand against a wrong.

 

[DOMS]

Truth overload!

But it doesn't surprise me. There are a lot of American Jews with a lot of money and power. Israel is part of the in-crowd by association.

Which explains why so many dumbass Americans are pro-Palestinian.

 

[bio-chem]

I agree with her 100%. Jesus was awesome. I don't know about the whole son of god thing, but Jesus as a man, embodied everything that was pure and beautiful about spirituality. Most of the modern day Christians that I run into or see on TV don't seem to embody his core values so much.

I don't think Jesus would see eye to eye with any of the modern day conservative christian leaders. Now, I know you don't believe the same things as people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson, or at least I hope you don't. But, those people are representing you, and those people have generated more hatred towards religion than any other factor.

You just can;t say things like God loves America more than the rest of the world. You can't say things like god hates fag and is sending them to hell. Well, you can say things like that and people do, but they lose all credibility. It sure as fuck doesn't help your cause.

I'm sorry who here has said God hates fags, and loves America more? I've never seen a Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robinson quote here on this thread or any other. I represent me. no one else.

 

[Chubby]

I'm sorry who here has said God hates fags, and loves America more? I've never seen a Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robinson quote here on this thread or any other. I represent me. no one else.

These Cafeteria Christians are worst than those who don't believe in god.
Anti-Gay Hate Group Will Protest Funeral of War Hero Thomas Tucker - Salem-News.Com

 

[DOMS]

These Cafeteria Christians are worst than those who don't believe in god.
Anti-Gay Hate Group Will Protest Funeral of War Hero Thomas Tucker - Salem-News.Com

Old new, dumbass.

And many, many Christians denounced it, yours included.

You drop in and create uninformed, worthless posts.

You're my new Danny.

 

[PreMier]

Old new, dumbass.

And many, many Christians denounced it, yours included.

You drop in and create uninformed, worthless posts.

You're my new Danny.

no kidding, she just posts worthless dribble, never even responding to posts addressing her

 

[PreMier]

I agree with her 100%. Jesus was awesome. I don't know about the whole son of god thing, but Jesus as a man, embodied everything that was pure and beautiful about spirituality. Most of the modern day Christians that I run into or see on TV don't seem to embody his core values so much.

I don't think Jesus would see eye to eye with any of the modern day conservative christian leaders. Now, I know you don't believe the same things as people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson, or at least I hope you don't. But, those people are representing you, and those people have generated more hatred towards religion than any other factor.

You just can;t say things like God loves America more than the rest of the world. You can't say things like god hates fag and is sending them to hell. Well, you can say things like that and people do, but they lose all credibility. It sure as fuck doesn't help your cause.

if you truly want to understand my viewpoints, then read the book of mormon. there are a lot of false doctrines out there

 

[DOMS]

if you truly want to understand my viewpoints, then read the book of mormon. there are a lot of false doctrines out there

The Mormons kick ass. I spent 8 years in Utah and got to know them. They're the only religion that I've ever seen that spends more time doing good than talking about it.

 

[Big Smoothy]

The Mormons kick ass. I spent 8 years in Utah and got to know them. They're the only religion that I've ever seen that spends more time doing good than talking about it.

There beliefs are very strange to me.

Anyway, how do they do "good."

Helping people, donations?

Just curious.

 

[Chubby]

Not just Christians, almost all the religions are the same. They are constantly taught that they are the only truth and everything esle is false. They are told that If you don't believe in their god, you will go to hell. I think most of these people believe in their god only because they are afraid of going to hell. Does that mean that Gandhi and Mother Teresa went to hell? Does that mean Dali Lama will go to hell. Does that mean that all those little kids and their mothers who died in Darfur will go to hell? It doesn't surprise me to see this kind of attitude of these religious fanatics. Their egos have become bigger than their head. People should not become slave of idealogy that was written many years ago.

 

[Will Brink]

Truth overload!

But it doesn't surprise me. There are a lot of American Jews with a lot of money and power. Israel is part of the in-crowd by association.

All true. The bottom line here is, if you don't have lobby power, the right skin color, resources the world wants wants/needs, no one actually cares if you get slaughtered. This is one of the major reasons you find my position on guns as a human rights issue so strong. If the world has turned it's back on you, and we have MANY examples of that taking place, an un armed populace can do nothing but die.


For example:


Gun Control's Best Friend

By Dimitri Vassilaros
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, April 1, 2005

The slaughter, rape and torment of the citizens of Darfur would end if humanitarian aid included guns.

Darfur is a Texas-size region of Sudan. The Sudanese government and its militia proxies have killed roughly 70,000 civilians, raped and mutilated untold numbers of others and caused about 3 million refugees to live in camps.

Sudan could teach Serbia a thing or two about ethnic cleansing.

This carnage has been going on since 2003. The Sudan People's Liberation Army, a small band of revolutionaries from Darfur, were the only excuse the government needed to wage war on unarmed citizens in the region, who also happen to be fellow Muslims.

As I was reading story after story about the horrific treatment of the innocents by government-backed forces, I always wondered why there was no mention of the victims fighting back.

"Some do defend themselves," said Bill Garvelink, acting assistant administrator for the Bureau for Democracy, Conflict and Humanitarian Assistance in the U.S. Agency for International Development. The United States has given about $600 million since 2003.

"But Sudan has helicopters and AK-47s. People in the camps have machetes," Garvelink said. International treaties covering humanitarian aid prohibit giving any side arms to defend oneself; otherwise no aid workers would be allowed to bring in supplies to a troubled region.

But Sudan is not allowing aid workers much access anyway so the refugees are caught in the middle, he said.

Amnesty International prefers to end the genocide by moral persuasion instead of self-defense.

"We at Amnesty International are not going to condone escalation of the flow of arms to the region," said Trish Katyoka, director of Africa Advocacy. "You are empowering (the victims) to create an element of retaliation.

"Whenever you create a sword-fight by letting the poor people fight back and give them the arms, it creates an added element of complexity. You do not know what the results could be."

But we do know what they are now.

Self-defense could exacerbate the situation, Katyoka said. "Fighting fire with fire is not a solution to the genocide. It is a dangerous proposition to arm the minorities to fight back."

Better they should be slaughtered.

Katyoka hopes the United Nations can do something -- someday -- to stop the killing. She also hopes Sudan's leaders are charged with crimes against humanity in the International Criminal Court. But at this rate, will there be any eyewitnesses left to testify?

Even Dr. Ali B. Ali-Dinar, founder and director of the African Studies Center at the University of Pennsylvania -- who was born and reared in Darfur -- does not believe in arming the victims.

"That could create a vicious cycle of violence," Ali-Dinar said. "The cycle now is mainly orchestrated by the government. Give guns to the traumatized and it will definitely get out of hand. There is no limit then, for them to stop."

He, too, hopes the international community comes to the rescue -- someday.

(Ali-Dinar will be speaking 2 to 4 p.m. on Sunday at the Episcopal Church of the Redeemer, 5700 Forbes Avenue in Squirrel Hill. There is no charge for admission. It is sponsored by the Pittsburgh Darfur Emergency Coalition.)

Darfur is one more reminder that gun control is genocide's best friend.

Dimitri Vassilaros can be reached at dvassilaros@tribweb.com

 

[bio-chem]

There beliefs are very strange to me.

Anyway, how do they do "good."

Helping people, donations?

Just curious.

Church Releases Report on 2008 Hurricane Relief

And I post this not just about the Mormons. Mormons are not the only Christians out there doing this stuff. Many denominations of Christian practice the charity Christ preached. It just isn't sexy to report on.

How are any LDS beliefs strange?

 

[bio-chem]

Not just Christians, almost all the religions are the same. They are constantly taught that they are the only truth and everything esle is false. They are told that If you don't believe in their god, you will go to hell. I think most of these people believe in their god only because they are afraid of going to hell. Does that mean that Gandhi and Mother Teresa went to hell? Does that mean Dali Lama will go to hell. Does that mean that all those little kids and their mothers who died in Darfur will go to hell? It doesn't surprise me to see this kind of attitude of these religious fanatics. Their egos have become bigger than their head. People should not become slave of idealogy that was written many years ago.

Do you actually read what you write before you post? You are making this stuff up out of your damn head

 

[mcguin]

Was going to actually make some post about Israel and how a feel about them but your fucks have managed to drag into some fucking religious creationism tub of shit.

Yea, like your posts are going to be that much more educating!

 

[KelJu]

I'm sorry who here has said God hates fags, and loves America more? I've never seen a Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robinson quote here on this thread or any other. I represent me. no one else.

Nobody here has. I made effort to emphasize that I was referring to Christian leaders, not the followers as much. Within Christianity there are a few fanatics that hurt the image of the whole. And then there are the leaders that really hurt the image as a whole. Then there are the rational and reasonable people like you in the middle that are only heard among friends in message boards and your voice is drowned out be the lunatics.

 

[KelJu]

if you truly want to understand my viewpoints, then read the book of mormon. there are a lot of false doctrines out there

Like the King James Bible, I will intrepet the Bible of Latter-day Saints with my own biases and predispositions toward how perceive God. I don't think it would do me much good in figuring out how Mormons think any better than just talking to a Mormon. Plus, I believe Joseph Smith was a lier and a fake, so it would be nearly impossible to read it with an open heart at this point in my life.

 

[bio-chem]

Nobody here has. I made effort to emphasize that I was referring to Christian leaders, not the followers as much. Within Christianity there are a few fanatics that hurt the image of the whole. And then there are the leaders that really hurt the image as a whole. Then there are the rational and reasonable people like you in the middle that are only heard among friends in message boards and your voice is drowned out be the lunatics.

good point. i can follow that.

 

[bio-chem]

Like the King James Bible, I will intrepet the Bible of Latter-day Saints with my own biases and predispositions toward how perceive God. I don't think it would do me much good in figuring out how Mormons think any better than just talking to a Mormon. Plus, I believe Joseph Smith was a lier and a fake, so it would be nearly impossible to read it with an open heart at this point in my life.

The LDS bible is the King James Bible.

And thats fine, it's actually pretty cool that you recognize this about yourself. I will say this though. The word of God is way more powerful than what any of your Mormon friends would be able to say. We may be able to explain certain things, but not like the prophets who write the word of God. Each in their own time.

 

[Shae2K3]

Now that I saw this thread I remember wile I was doing shopping last Monday in downtown Phoenix, I saw a massive protest. There were like at least 1000 people and they were holding up picket signs and Israeli flags. I look at the people at a near by bus stop and ask whats going on and they said somthing about a war. It was difficult to get home that day.

 

[DOMS]

Nobody here has. I made effort to emphasize that I was referring to Christian leaders, not the followers as much. Within Christianity there are a few fanatics that hurt the image of the whole. And then there are the leaders that really hurt the image as a whole. Then there are the rational and reasonable people like you in the middle that are only heard among friends in message boards and your voice is drowned out be the lunatics.

I'm really, really trying to believe this about Muslims. I've been reading up on them trying to see if the animals that I've believed them to be, or if it's just a few bad ones making the rest look just as bad.

So far I haven't been able to draw a conclusion one way or the other.

 

[Splash Log]

Yea, like your posts are going to be that much more educating!

Yes they were gonna present information not a bunch of opinions, at least your post was educating and really contributed to the thread. Go take some more H-Drol, and maybe accidentally choke out some family members.

 

[bio-chem]

Yes they were gonna present information not a bunch of opinions, at least your post was educating and really contributed to the thread. Go take some more H-Drol, and maybe accidentally choke out some family members.

These things have a way of running away with themselves. If you were really that worried about staying on topic you maybe should have policed your thread a bit.

Care to get us back on topic?

 

[mcguin]

Yes they were gonna present information not a bunch of opinions, at least your post was educating and really contributed to the thread. Go take some more H-Drol, and maybe accidentally choke out some family members.

listen, I'm not the one who started a thread called why I hate my life because I have nothing better to do than bash other people. if I wanted to know about zionism, I'd do my own research rather than listen to you ramble about your insecurities. Bottom line is, when you post something such as the above, be prepared for other peoples opinions. It's not like your discussing your preference on how you want your steak cooked, I have family from Israel, have many jewish friends and enjoy reading people's own opinions on this forums, but I havent yet seen one post from you stating anything close to a thesis as to why Israel and Zionism is garbage. So until you can justify your post, I'll be sitting back and enjoying the show. Kapeesh!

 

[Splash Log]

These things have a way of running away with themselves. If you were really that worried about staying on topic you maybe should have policed your thread a bit.

Care to get us back on topic?

It took over too fast, I posted it and went out and came back it was 2-3 pages long. I was planning on spending my Sunday posting in it and posting it Saturday would get a few opinoins out there I could respond to and feel out people opinions now its just another generic religion debate when it was meant to be a debate on a religious state not the religion.

listen, I'm not the one who started a thread called why I hate my life because I have nothing better to do than bash other people.

Zing!

if I wanted to know about zionism, I'd do my own research rather than listen to you ramble about your insecurities.

Then do that and dont click on this thread.

Bottom line is, when you post something such as the above, be prepared for other peoples opinions.

Thanks Einstein, who woulda thunk forums are where people share opinions.

It's not like your discussing your preference on how you want your steak cooked, I have family from Israel, have many jewish friends and enjoy reading people's own opinions on this forums, but I havent yet seen one post from you stating anything close to a thesis as to why Israel and Zionism is garbage. So until you can justify your post, I'll be sitting back and enjoying the show. Kapeesh!

I havnt been able too because the thread was hijacked by the religious/anti-religious fanatics and I would just be posting in between their rants that we have seen in thread after thread. It has nothing to do with Zionism and the State of Israel. Just you having family from Israel is enough to have your judgment clouded.

Of course all the juice helps too, maybe next cycle add some gyno. MCGUIN SMASH!