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Religiously Intolerant?

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MWpro said:
Why else would you ruthlessly, and some would say ignorantly, defend christianity in about every post that you have made throughout your time as a registered member of ironmagazineforums.com?

And what does being a member of a church have to do with it? Here, I'll come right out and ask: are you a christian? If so, you are doing a real shit job about adhering to the teachings of jesus that you are so adamently defending.
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*sigh*

Sorry for going off like that. I've been rubbed the wrong by a good many people out there that my fuse is short.

It is utterly depressing how little people think (not just here in the US, but abroad as well). I'm not saying that people aren't educated, they're just not thinking for themselves.

I really am tired of catching shit for made up reasons regarding some aspect of who I am (white, Christian, etc.), and it has made be impatient.

In any case, sorry.
 
DOMS said:
Who said I that I'm an active member of any church?

My point is that Christian principles were used to create the foundation of this country, even if people like you want to say, or revise, otherwise.
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I thought it was more of the Greco-Roman ideas of Democracy that the nation was built upon, if it were based on Christian Principles then why did they want so much to not include any religious pretexts in the Founding Documents, there were a few who fought against mentioning God in those papers. What was the point of religious freedom if everyone was to follow rules based on Christian Doctrine?
 
IainDaniel said:
Here is the problem... .everything around us requires faith.

Science requires faith.... everything.
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Science does not require complete faith, unlike religion. There is at least some evidence science and how the universe works scientifically. Observations, experiments, fossils, theories that are constantly being tested and challenged, scientific principles being applied to produce new technologies that save lives.

With religion, where is your proof? There is none. It is dependent on complete faith.
 
MWpro said:
Science does not require complete faith, unlike religion. There is at least some evidence science and how the universe works scientifically. Observations, experiments, fossils, theories that are constantly being tested and challenged, scientific principles being applied to produce new technologies that save lives.

With religion, where is your proof? There is none. It is dependent on complete faith.
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So now we determine how much faith is required to make things acceptable?
 
bio-chem said:
This is really quite good. Pretty soon even the people that might want to agree with you won't because they know your posts are pretty much worthless.

Prove it big boy. prove to me God is made up, prove he is invented.
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DOMS said:
I generally very nice, but I've become very, very displeased with two aspects that I see in too many people and I've about reached my limit.

You might be familiar with them:

1. Having to defend everything I am. I'm white, so I should feel some sort of crap guilt and not be proud. I'm male, so I should feel guilty and not be proud. Although I struggle at it, I identify as Christian, so I should feel guilty and not be proud. I'm on my up through the fiscal strata and should feel guilty for working to be wealthy. But if you're black, female, Muslim, and poor, you should feel proud? Fuck that, I'm going on the offensive. I do not sit idly by when someone attacks some aspect of me. Neither on the Internet or in person. Those days are fucking gone.
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DOMS said:
You can't prove that God exists in the lab. You can't disprove that God exists in the lab. That of course make him right. :rolleyes:
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How do discussions of separation of church and state eventually degrade into proving or disproving god? I don't think anyone needs to prove who they are or what they believe, and it is irrelevant. The question is, "Should religion play a part in government?" I am not religious, and don't think the president has any right to use religious faith in governing the nation, but the wants of a significant portion of the population are based on that, so you can't discount it's significance. His job is to decide what's best for the country based on the wants of the people, which seems to be moving away from religion. Now, the OPs question was whether a christian reaction to inclusiveness was wrong. IMO, it is, get over yourself, it's not the 1700s any more. But, at the same time, you can't assume this is every Christian's feeling on the subject, nor that every Christian wants every gay person and abortion seeking chick to rot in hell. They may not believe in it, and you can't force it down their throat, but most Christians I know tend to ignore it.
 
IainDaniel said:
So now we determine how much faith is required to make things acceptable?
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Science, which can be proven with objective evidence requires no where near the level of "faith" as religion. Where is the evidence of religion being true, that god exists?

I think you are speaking generally just to appear to sound intelligent, so let me ask you this: what in science do you think requires so much "faith" of the kind that approaches the level of faith required for religion?
 
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MWpro said:
Science, which can be proven with objective evidence requires no where near the level of "faith" as religion. Where is the evidence of religion being true, that god exists?

I think you are speaking generally just to appear to sound intelligent, so let me ask you this: what in science do you think requires so much "faith" of the kind that approaches the level of aith required for religion?
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You need faith that any hard rule happens 100% of the time. The laws of physics for example. I don't know that there has never been an instance where they haven't come true, and we have no data for the distant past or future. Also, there are situations where they don't hold true, typically explainable, but at the same time, they cast doubt.

BTW, I am a science guy.
 
Dale Mabry said:
You need faith that any hard rule happens 100% of the time. The laws of physics for example. I don't know that there has never been an instance where they haven't come true, and we have no data for the distant past or future. Also, there are situations where they don't hold true, typically explainable, but at the same time, they cast doubt.

BTW, I am a science guy.
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This is the foundation of science. That all we have are our evidence and observations, which becomes theories. Theories are never absolute, they are merely things that have not been disproven yet.

Science has never said that any of its theories are absolute. It simply says that there is no record of any contradiction of them to date. If they are disproved, scientists will rework their theories, experiment more, and produce better ones in order to gain a greater understanding of the world.

Contrast this to religion, which purports to be the absolute rule, to know everything... but without any evidence at all.
 
bio-chem said:
This is really quite good. Pretty soon even the people that might want to agree with you won't because they know your posts are pretty much worthless.

Prove it big boy. prove to me God is made up, prove he is invented.
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It's impossible to prove that he is made up... just like you can't prove that I don't have an invisible cat.

You also can't prove he does exist
 
MWpro said:
YouTube - 10 questions that every intelligent Christian must answer
"Why would jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood?"
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well I have neither the time nor the inclination to watch a you tube video against Christianity I will say this. When Christ instituted the sacrament he explained it pretty clearly. how could there be confusion on this? if you don't accept it that is fine, but questioning an ordinance of remembrance? doesn't make sense to me
 
MWpro said:
This is the foundation of science. That all we have are our evidence and observations, which becomes theories. Theories are never absolute, they are merely things that have not been disproven yet.

Science has never said that any of its theories are absolute. It simply says that there is no record of any contradiction of them to date. If they are disproved, scientists will rework their theories, experiment more, and produce better ones in order to gain a greater understanding of the world.

Contrast this to religion, which purports to be the absolute rule, to know everything... but without any evidence at all.
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Exactly god damnit! (excuse the pun)

The point of the scientific theory is that the conclusions are always
FALSIFIABLE. See, give and take.
Religion does not have this. How could anyone from the 21st century believe in something that won't give under any circumstance?

We've survived this long because we are highly adaptable, so basing your existence off something that is not adaptable is fallible.
 
min0 lee said:
Religion is a beautiful thing, it brings peace and joy.
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Don't be so naive. If entire America is ruled by these Christian Talibans, then we will be no different the Afghanistan. Look at the attitute of Dom and Ravi (biochem). Do you really thing there is joy and peace in their heart? So far, I have only heard them talking about torturing and killing people. Also look at the Dom's signature. Wake up my, friend.
 
Prince said:
yes, it is also the cause of violence, death, hate, war, etc.
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chobby192 said:
Don't be so naive. If entire America is ruled by these Christian Talibans, then we will be no different the Afghanistan. Look at the attitute of Dom and Ravi (biochem). Do you really thing there is joy and peace in their heart? So far, I have only heard them talking about torturing and killing people. Also look at the Dom's signature. Wake up my, friend.
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I was being sarcastic. Anytime religion is brought up there's an argument, so there must be something wrong with it.

I don't belong to any religion.
 
chobby192 said:
Don't be so naive. If entire America is ruled by these Christian Talibans, then we will be no different the Afghanistan. Look at the attitute of Dom and Ravi (biochem). Do you really thing there is joy and peace in their heart? So far, I have only heard them talking about torturing and killing people. Also look at the Dom's signature. Wake up my, friend.
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Both DOMS and I are pretty well known on this board. Comparing us to Christian Taliban is kind of funny actually. Funny in a you really are retarded kind of way. another few posts like this and people will know not to take anything you say seriously. thats assuming it hasn't happened already.
 
danny81 said:
Don't be so naive. If entire America is ruled by these Christian Talibans, then we will be no different the Afghanistan. Look at the attitute of Dom and Ravi (biochem). Do you really thing there is joy and peace in their heart? So far, I have only heard them talking about torturing and killing people. Also look at the Dom's signature. Wake up my, friend.
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My signature? That's from Gore Vidal. I person a find very humorous. Look at my location. Do you really think I like, or want to live, in a van down by the river? That's a quote from Chris Farely, another very humorous person.

I don't know what third-world country you're from, but I'm willing to be they have the concept of nuance there. So the problem is all about you, Danny.
 
min0 lee said:
I was being sarcastic. Anytime religion is brought up there's an argument, so there must be something wrong with it.

I don't belong to any religion.
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There's nothing wrong with religion, it's man that is the problem. We have waged wars to spread Democracy and to stop the spread of Communism, neither is a religion. Our problem is our arrogance to think that there can only be one way. Eventually we will have to learn to solve our differences the way we try to teach our children, or it will all come to an end.....all I ever want is for the religions to extol the positive virtues and leave the petty bickering behind.....
 
bio-chem said:
well I have neither the time nor the inclination to watch a you tube video against Christianity I will say this. When Christ instituted the sacrament he explained it pretty clearly. how could there be confusion on this? if you don't accept it that is fine, but questioning an ordinance of remembrance? doesn't make sense to me
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Give it a whirl, it raises some interesting points for a youtube video.
 
I think Christianity is a good plan. I whole-heartedly believe in Jesus as the son of God, but if I'm wrong.. what did I lose?

I tried to live a moral life, treat people well, and believe I'm more than a random collection of cells. I think what I do matters, that I'll see lost loved ones again & I don't fear death. I look forward to an afterlife with my family & my God. I care more about others, and more about myself.

Seems like a good thing to me..

Men have distored it in the past, and still do today.. but that doesn't mean the message is bad.

And no Christian claims perfection.. Pointing out flaws or "un-Christian" attributes in a person's character doesn't disqualify them a Christian, it makes them human. Christians try to live like Christ.. we are not infallable like He is.
 
min0 lee said:
I was being sarcastic. Anytime religion is brought up there's an argument, so there must be something wrong with it.
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there is A LOT wrong with it/them (IMO), which is why I stay away from all organized religions.
 
After all these heated discussion, what did we learn from this topic?
Does god exist?
Yes, but it is only an image that exists in the peoples' imagination.

How did it exist?
It was created by human mind.

Can you prove that god doesn't exist?
The fact that it doesn't exist is the proof that it doesn't exist.

Can christians prove that god exists?
No, you can't give physical proof of things that only exist in peoples' imagination.

Why do christians believe in god?
They are presured to believe in god by using tactics like: "If you don't believe in god you will go to hell. If you believe in god, you will go to heaven."

How about all those teaching of god?
Those teaching were made up by some one to give desperate people of the time to give a false hope.

How come so many people still believe in god today?
Lies have already been repeated thousand times. Now it has become the truth for them.

Why can't they leave christianity?
They were told they will go to hell if they do.
 
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never say never.
 
chobby192 said:
After all these heated discussion, what did we learn from this topic?
Does god exist?
Yes, but it is only an image that exists in the peoples' imagination.

How did it exist?
It was created by human mind.

Can you prove that god doesn't exist?
The fact that it doesn't exist is the proof that it doesn't exist.

Can christians prove that god exists?
No, you can't give physical proof of things that only exist in peoples' imagination.

Why do christians believe in god?
They are presured to believe in god by using tactics like: "If you don't believe in god you will go to hell. If you believe in god, you will go to heaven."

How about all those teaching of god?
Those teaching were made up by some one to give desperate people of the time to give a false hope.

How come so many people still believe in god today?
Lies have already been repeated thousand times. Now it has become the truth for them.

Why can't they leave christianity?
They were told they will go to hell if they do.
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You forgot one.

Does Chobby know everything?
No, despite speaking as an authority over life, he knows nothing of it's origin and existence. His glaring anti-Christian bias gives him no objective view of religion and therefore renders all opinions useless, uninteresting and a time consuming waste. He watched Bill Maher a few too many times & now reiterates his garbage... discarding what Christians say in favor of more shocking & hateful bites (see above list), truth be damned.
 
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