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Keep it up, Danzik.
Keep it up, Danzik.
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Well PSMF is all finished up now. We'll see where my weight settles in a couple of days. Right now it's at 172lbs - up 10lbs from the last low cal day of the PSMF. Looking a bit bloated as well - maybe bread isn't such a great focus for a carbup for me. I'll try rice, oats , and cereal next time. Speaking of which the cereal massively helped in reaching my carb goals. Downing 100 or so carbs was absolutely no problem at all.
Oh and holy god did eating so many carbs so fast give me rancid gas.
Oh and holy god did eating so many carbs so fast give me rancid gas.
Plan for now:
Maintain for a week or so. I need a break from so much strict dieting. In the meantime I'm going to re-read Lyle's UD2.0 and will be running cycles of that until I hit my goal starting after my "break".
That and my shoulder was acting up again today so I want to eat at maintenance and let it heal up. I have no idea what the hell I did to it.
Maintain for a week or so. I need a break from so much strict dieting. In the meantime I'm going to re-read Lyle's UD2.0 and will be running cycles of that until I hit my goal starting after my "break".
That and my shoulder was acting up again today so I want to eat at maintenance and let it heal up. I have no idea what the hell I did to it.
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nice job on the weight lose, current and prior.
we are down to the last 5 days before our refeed. glad to see that you were our guinei pig(sp). now we know what not to eat.
keep up the good work
we are down to the last 5 days before our refeed. glad to see that you were our guinei pig(sp). now we know what not to eat.
keep up the good work
katt
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how's the bloat doing? Did you get rid of it after a couple days? Did the water weight go down, or are you still up ?
The bloat went away rather quickly...honestly it was more the quantity of the food than anything else.
My weight was still 168lbs as of this morning. Unless I'm still carrying water weight, I just don't understand it. I couldn't have gained muscle, but 168lbs was almost precisely what I was pre-PSMF. At 1400 calories a day there is no way I couldn't have lost weight...that's a 900 calorie a day deficit.
So I really don't like not understanding why certain things happen or don't happen the way they do (hence why I'm a tech nerd). So here I sit with UD 2.0, a highlighter, and a pen notating in the margins.
I'm only 35 pages in (seriously taking my time) but amazing what I missed during my first run through. For example, I always knew that yohimbe was an effective fat loss supp, but now I know (and understand!) that it is effective because it's an alpha-2 antagonist which should allow catecholamines to bind to beta-2 receptors to promote fat loss rather than inhibit it.
I feel an addiction coming on. Anyone else have some good resources that should be checked out and researched?
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Oh and what the hell. My shoulder STILL hurts. Go figure that I don't hurt it exercising or doing something ridiculous, I hurt it by sleeping on it weird. GOD.
I'm only 35 pages in (seriously taking my time) but amazing what I missed during my first run through. For example, I always knew that yohimbe was an effective fat loss supp, but now I know (and understand!) that it is effective because it's an alpha-2 antagonist which should allow catecholamines to bind to beta-2 receptors to promote fat loss rather than inhibit it.
I feel an addiction coming on. Anyone else have some good resources that should be checked out and researched?
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Oh and what the hell. My shoulder STILL hurts. Go figure that I don't hurt it exercising or doing something ridiculous, I hurt it by sleeping on it weird. GOD.
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So unfortunately my weight is staying around 168 and I have lost a bit of definition. I get the feeling that the majority of that weight movement was all glycogen and water. How that is possible considering I ran at 1400 calories for 12 days straight I just do not know.
It sucks balls, but I guess I found another thing that just didn't work for me. Will have a UD 2.0 diet and training program posted up by tomorrow night. And my fucking arm still hurts, though not as much - taking this entire week off to let it recover.
It sucks balls, but I guess I found another thing that just didn't work for me. Will have a UD 2.0 diet and training program posted up by tomorrow night. And my fucking arm still hurts, though not as much - taking this entire week off to let it recover.
katt
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Just be careful with the Yohimbe... I put some of that in a protein shake once,,,, and put too much in and I thought my heart was going to explode I was shaking so bad.. 
I'm reading the UD2 book as well - pretty interesting reading huh?
I'm reading the UD2 book as well - pretty interesting reading huh?
Yea, its all about moderation.
I have tried extreme protocols for diet/training etc like this before.
Never was a fan.
So now I just be reasonable.
Sorry to hear about the arm.
Just be careful with the Yohimbe... I put some of that in a protein shake once,,,, and put too much in and I thought my heart was going to explode I was shaking so bad..
I'm reading the UD2 book as well - pretty interesting reading huh?
Definitely an interesting read. I'm tired of shooting blind and spending weeks at a time on diets with no progress. I need to learn what is happening and why so that I can identify it and fix it. I'm not making the progress that I should be and it isn't from a lack of effort or consistency.
So I´ve just been lazy and haven´t posted my diet yet, but it doesn´t start until Sunday anyway.
I just wanted to make this post to get some thoughts on a theory I had while I was in the gym last night.
While on the PSMF, I had cut out fish, berries, and whole eggs entirely out of my diet. I normally use sea salt and not normal table salt. It dawned on me that during those 12 days, I was taken in close to NO iodine whatsoever which is critical to the production of T3/T4. I wonder how much that affected both my progress during the PSMF and the seemingly unexplainable post-PSMF weight gain. I was eating so far under my maintenance that I should have theoretically lost MORE weight, and I have not been eating high enough above maintenance to warrant the half pound or so of weight that I have gained. I´m fairly strict on my diet at all times with little variety...I more or less eat the same foods - just more of less of them.
Thoughts?
I just wanted to make this post to get some thoughts on a theory I had while I was in the gym last night.
While on the PSMF, I had cut out fish, berries, and whole eggs entirely out of my diet. I normally use sea salt and not normal table salt. It dawned on me that during those 12 days, I was taken in close to NO iodine whatsoever which is critical to the production of T3/T4. I wonder how much that affected both my progress during the PSMF and the seemingly unexplainable post-PSMF weight gain. I was eating so far under my maintenance that I should have theoretically lost MORE weight, and I have not been eating high enough above maintenance to warrant the half pound or so of weight that I have gained. I´m fairly strict on my diet at all times with little variety...I more or less eat the same foods - just more of less of them.
Thoughts?
katt
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Yeah I think it does say on the diet to liberally salt your food..
Then again, all diets don't work for all people.. you just have to find the one that works for you I guess
Then again, all diets don't work for all people.. you just have to find the one that works for you I guess
I think I overlooked that part of the book then. It also sheds light on why the supplements (which I had stupidly neglected to take for all but 3 of the days) are so important on this diet.
Basically I'm spending a lot of time learning the science behind everything now so that I understand what the hell is going on and why.
Oh and only Built will get this one, but I'm back to working on that project we had spoken about a few months ago. I'm writing it as a Joomla component so that it can be easily incorporated into a more comprehensive diet/training website.
Here's the first section of the diet I'll be running. Training template still needs to be set up but I have a good idea of what I want to do. I just need to be aware that my shoulder is still healing even though it doesn't hurt day to day anymore.
Mon/Tues/Wed/Thurs AM Low Cal/Carb
I've also decided to run an EC stack rather than yohimbine. Since by Wednesday/Thursday the high FFA amount in the bloodstream inhibits alpha-2 receptors anyway, an alpha-2 antagonist seems redundant.
Mon/Tues/Wed/Thurs AM Low Cal/Carb
I've also decided to run an EC stack rather than yohimbine. Since by Wednesday/Thursday the high FFA amount in the bloodstream inhibits alpha-2 receptors anyway, an alpha-2 antagonist seems redundant.
And I will make damn SURE to take my vitamins. The difference in appetite when I made sure I got enough iodine was astounding. I've also been eating way over what I believed to be my maintenance and have gained no weight since I started tracking vitamin intake.
UD 2.0........Day 1
So day 1 kicked my ass. DAY ONE.
Diet wise it's easier than the PSMF I ran since I'm allowing myself 1/2c FF half and half for coffee - that was one of the MAJOR annoyances in my PSMF was the lack of coffee. Yes I love it just that much.
What really kicked my ass was the depletion workout. I didn't even make it through the second half of the workout, I ran out of time. I'll know for the future that I need ~1.5-1.75hrs to fully complete it.
I don't think I've ever felt so exhausted and yet had SO much left to do. I'm running Lyle's suggested full body routine minus lateral raises since they target the exact part of the shoulder I hurt and I would rather not do direct work on that right now.
.......and I have to do this AGAIN tomorrow.
So day 1 kicked my ass. DAY ONE.
Diet wise it's easier than the PSMF I ran since I'm allowing myself 1/2c FF half and half for coffee - that was one of the MAJOR annoyances in my PSMF was the lack of coffee. Yes I love it just that much.
What really kicked my ass was the depletion workout. I didn't even make it through the second half of the workout, I ran out of time. I'll know for the future that I need ~1.5-1.75hrs to fully complete it.
I don't think I've ever felt so exhausted and yet had SO much left to do. I'm running Lyle's suggested full body routine minus lateral raises since they target the exact part of the shoulder I hurt and I would rather not do direct work on that right now.
.......and I have to do this AGAIN tomorrow.
Day 2
Depletion workout part deux. I was dying, but I got through it. It was more brutal than yesterday since I was already sore and tired from that one, but this time I had some idea of what to expect.
Looking forward to taking tomorrow off. I'll be using that time to pre-plan part of my refeed.
Oh and I was pretty right about glycogen/water being pretty much all I lost on the PSMF. I weighed myself this morning and clocked in at 163.4lbs. That's quite a drop in one day even for water/glycogen (5+lbs).
Depletion workout part deux. I was dying, but I got through it. It was more brutal than yesterday since I was already sore and tired from that one, but this time I had some idea of what to expect.
Looking forward to taking tomorrow off. I'll be using that time to pre-plan part of my refeed.
Oh and I was pretty right about glycogen/water being pretty much all I lost on the PSMF. I weighed myself this morning and clocked in at 163.4lbs. That's quite a drop in one day even for water/glycogen (5+lbs).
Been lazy on posting, but here are some random thoughts from my first week on UD 2.0:
1. I need to plan out my refeed. I came pretty close by guesstimating, but my anal retentive need for perfection is nagging at me.
2. I didn't believe that the 1 day of rest on Friday would be enough, but Lyle proved me wrong. I was sore as hell that entire day of refeeding but I woke up Saturday feeling good (albeit tired w/ a headache). The mistake I made on that day/prior days was not increasing my water intake enough. Carb loading in addition to creatine dehydrated the hell out of me...won't be making that mistake again.
3. Shoulders are doing better. I did still skip the direct lateral work but was able to do shoulder presses with heavier weights than I have been for a while with no discomfort (50lb DBs).
1. I need to plan out my refeed. I came pretty close by guesstimating, but my anal retentive need for perfection is nagging at me.
2. I didn't believe that the 1 day of rest on Friday would be enough, but Lyle proved me wrong. I was sore as hell that entire day of refeeding but I woke up Saturday feeling good (albeit tired w/ a headache). The mistake I made on that day/prior days was not increasing my water intake enough. Carb loading in addition to creatine dehydrated the hell out of me...won't be making that mistake again.
3. Shoulders are doing better. I did still skip the direct lateral work but was able to do shoulder presses with heavier weights than I have been for a while with no discomfort (50lb DBs).
Still chugging along on this. Making progress according to the mirror. I am leaner now than in previous pics though with the minor water bloat from carbup going on right now you wouldn't know it. This weekend's carbup will focus less on bagels and more on oats/rice to see if it gives me a different quality carbup (though still a lot of bagels!).
I just received my ephedrine from SBMuscle and will be using on my next cycle of this next week. I will be using half dosage for at least the first 3 days to monitor for side effects or reactions. I will make journal entries every day for that week so I can track thoughts or how I'm feeling each day to see if it's affecting me.
I just received my ephedrine from SBMuscle and will be using on my next cycle of this next week. I will be using half dosage for at least the first 3 days to monitor for side effects or reactions. I will make journal entries every day for that week so I can track thoughts or how I'm feeling each day to see if it's affecting me.
Been taking the EC stack for a few days now. Have noticed 0 effects, but I'm also on a very very low dose (12.5mg E / C --> whatever 3 cups of coffee and a diet coke works out to). I'll likely up this to 25mgE during my next cycle whether it's next week or the week after.
The only thing I've noticed at all is that a lot of foods are smelling disgusting right now. Sounds weird but foods that normally smell fine to me are repulsive right now. Might just be because I have keto breath though....that's one of the few things I really do hate about low carbs.
The only thing I've noticed at all is that a lot of foods are smelling disgusting right now. Sounds weird but foods that normally smell fine to me are repulsive right now. Might just be because I have keto breath though....that's one of the few things I really do hate about low carbs.
Hey Danzik,
When you went from PSMF, to maint did you up your calories gradually over a few days to a week or can you just go from refeed to maint with few ill effects?
When you went from PSMF, to maint did you up your calories gradually over a few days to a week or can you just go from refeed to maint with few ill effects?
Just dove right into maintenance basically. No real need to ramp up the calories in this case in my opinion since you're coming down from a massive calorie amount on the refeeds. Built can give a more definitive answer though...when I did it I had been cutting for a long long time and decided to just say screw it, I need a break.
You gotta do what you gotta do you know? Getting that lean has been a longstanding goal (3+ years) and I expect to reach it this year. If not by April 30th, then by mid-May at the latest (extra 2 cycles of UD2.0).
In any case it's really not all that bad. Dieting is very easy for me because I just don't get hungry ever except late night and early morning. I don't get cravings thanks to the whole perfectionist thing that you/Emma-Leigh got me into when I first started this thing. The foods that I crave are the foods that I normally eat on my diet....yea I know....weird.
That and I'm loving the Friday refeeds...a cheat for me is just bagels or cereal or even just extra oats. On refeeds, I get to gorge myself on all 3...what could be better?
katt
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I'm just reading up on the UD2... was suppose to transition into it this week, but decided not to right now. So you're liking this more than the PSMF? I found that the last 8-10 days of it were really hard for me.. and I've never been a cereal eater, per se.. but I found with this diet, I craved it!! lol
I'm loving it. Just had a protein shake w/ 3 TSP of real sugar, half a pound of strawberries, and 1 bagel. And I still have more to go.
I'll be taking the next week off and eating at maintenance in addition to doing a deload. My joints have been killing me lately. That and there's some stuff in my freezer that I want to finish off before it goes bad but had too much dietary fat for UD2.0.
I don't know exact BF levels but I am leaner than in my PSMF pictures. I have also gained strength.
Current Stats compared to previous in lbs:
DB Bench: 70s / 65s
Squats: 200/165 (Keep in mind I hurt myself a while ago so this dropped)
Leg Press: 600 / 445
DB Shoulder Press: 50s / 30s
Rows: 160 / 140
There's more but I'm too lazy to list it. Yes there is a notable lack of lower pull movements listed which I am working on.
I don't know exact BF levels but I am leaner than in my PSMF pictures. I have also gained strength.
Current Stats compared to previous in lbs:
DB Bench: 70s / 65s
Squats: 200/165 (Keep in mind I hurt myself a while ago so this dropped)
Leg Press: 600 / 445
DB Shoulder Press: 50s / 30s
Rows: 160 / 140
There's more but I'm too lazy to list it. Yes there is a notable lack of lower pull movements listed which I am working on.
