Can you imagine the rioting that would have occurred that day.
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MICHAEL JACKSON: One of the greatest stars
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Chubby
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Your logic sucks, min0. According to your twisted logic, If someone accuse you of crime you didn't commit, you are guilty anyway because you are accused.
Your logic sucks, min0. According to your twisted logic, If someone accuse you of crime you didn't commit, you are guilty anyway because you are accused.
Listen to me..OK.
Want I am saying if you (Chobby) were accused of touching kids I will not want you (Chobby) with my kids alone, my kids mean the world to me.
For someone to hurt them....that's the lowest of the low, molesting kids.
In your culture it may be OK to molest kids but not here, we take that very serious.
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BEFORE THE BEGINNING
Prior to accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation, the Arvizo family had been involved in two other sexual abuse cases. In 1998, Janet Arvizo, her husband David and their three children Anne*, John* and Rob* accused security guards from JCPenney and Tower Records of physically assaulting them after pulling them over for shoplifting.
Two years after filing a $3 million lawsuit against the companies, Janet Arvizo also accused the security guards of sexually assaulting her during the altercation, an allegation that had never come up in her initial deposition. The companies settled out of court for $152,500 without admitting guilt.3
Tom Griffin, the attorney who represented JCPenney in the case, told NBC's Mike Taibbi that the Arvizo family had no evidence to substantiate their claims. ???[The mother] just came up with this fairy tale, not a fairy tale, it???s a horror story, and just ran with it,???4 Griffin said.
A psychiatrist hired by JCPenney during the investigation said that the children's testimonies sounded scripted and rehearsed,5 a suspicion that was confirmed by their father. In an affidavit, David Arvizo admitted that the children had been coached by their mother to lie. According to Russell Halpern, an attorney for Mr. Arvizo, ???[The mother] wrote all of their testimony. I actually saw the script.???6
Halpern was hired when a bitter custody battle arose between the Arvizos following their divorce in 2001. The dispute took an unexpected turn when Janet Arvizo accused her ex-husband of being abusive, an allegation that was initially denied by the couple's three children.
In October 2001, social workers were called to investigate the Arvizo family following an altercation that had taken place in their home. When questioned on their own, the children did not allude to any abuse on the father's part. ???There was no hitting, just yelling, and not a lot of yelling,??? the children told social workers.
When Janet Arvizo returned home and discovered that the Department of Children and Family Services had interviewed her children without her there, she immediately got in contact with the agency. Social workers returned to the family???s apartment and interviewed the Arvizos again. In the presence of their mother, the children drastically changed their story, alleging that their father was indeed abusive...
Michael Jackson
Prior to accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation, the Arvizo family had been involved in two other sexual abuse cases. In 1998, Janet Arvizo, her husband David and their three children Anne*, John* and Rob* accused security guards from JCPenney and Tower Records of physically assaulting them after pulling them over for shoplifting.
Tom Griffin, the attorney who represented JCPenney in the case, told NBC's Mike Taibbi that the Arvizo family had no evidence to substantiate their claims. ???[The mother] just came up with this fairy tale, not a fairy tale, it???s a horror story, and just ran with it,???4 Griffin said.
A psychiatrist hired by JCPenney during the investigation said that the children's testimonies sounded scripted and rehearsed,5 a suspicion that was confirmed by their father. In an affidavit, David Arvizo admitted that the children had been coached by their mother to lie. According to Russell Halpern, an attorney for Mr. Arvizo, ???[The mother] wrote all of their testimony. I actually saw the script.???6
Halpern was hired when a bitter custody battle arose between the Arvizos following their divorce in 2001. The dispute took an unexpected turn when Janet Arvizo accused her ex-husband of being abusive, an allegation that was initially denied by the couple's three children.
In October 2001, social workers were called to investigate the Arvizo family following an altercation that had taken place in their home. When questioned on their own, the children did not allude to any abuse on the father's part. ???There was no hitting, just yelling, and not a lot of yelling,??? the children told social workers.
When Janet Arvizo returned home and discovered that the Department of Children and Family Services had interviewed her children without her there, she immediately got in contact with the agency. Social workers returned to the family???s apartment and interviewed the Arvizos again. In the presence of their mother, the children drastically changed their story, alleging that their father was indeed abusive...
Michael Jackson
How was that not brought up in the court case?
If the kid has been molested 3x's...I would say the parents are the problem as they keep putting their child in dangerous situations.
patrick
If the kid has been molested 3x's...I would say the parents are the problem as they keep putting their child in dangerous situations.
patrick
That's some sick crap, you can't trust no one.
BEFORE THE BEGINNING
Prior to accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation, the Arvizo family had been involved in two other sexual abuse cases. In 1998, Janet Arvizo, her husband David and their three children Anne*, John* and Rob* accused security guards from JCPenney and Tower Records of physically assaulting them after pulling them over for shoplifting.
Two years after filing a $3 million lawsuit against the companies, Janet Arvizo also accused the security guards of sexually assaulting her during the altercation, an allegation that had never come up in her initial deposition. The companies settled out of court for $152,500 without admitting guilt.3
Tom Griffin, the attorney who represented JCPenney in the case, told NBC's Mike Taibbi that the Arvizo family had no evidence to substantiate their claims. ???[The mother] just came up with this fairy tale, not a fairy tale, it???s a horror story, and just ran with it,???4 Griffin said.
A psychiatrist hired by JCPenney during the investigation said that the children's testimonies sounded scripted and rehearsed,5 a suspicion that was confirmed by their father. In an affidavit, David Arvizo admitted that the children had been coached by their mother to lie. According to Russell Halpern, an attorney for Mr. Arvizo, ???[The mother] wrote all of their testimony. I actually saw the script.???6
Halpern was hired when a bitter custody battle arose between the Arvizos following their divorce in 2001. The dispute took an unexpected turn when Janet Arvizo accused her ex-husband of being abusive, an allegation that was initially denied by the couple's three children.
In October 2001, social workers were called to investigate the Arvizo family following an altercation that had taken place in their home. When questioned on their own, the children did not allude to any abuse on the father's part. ???There was no hitting, just yelling, and not a lot of yelling,??? the children told social workers.
When Janet Arvizo returned home and discovered that the Department of Children and Family Services had interviewed her children without her there, she immediately got in contact with the agency. Social workers returned to the family???s apartment and interviewed the Arvizos again. In the presence of their mother, the children drastically changed their story, alleging that their father was indeed abusive...
Michael Jackson
Wacko Jacko admitted to sleeping with children in a non sexual manner...
Who the F*&# does that....really? Only a grade A creep sleep with other people's children even if it is in a non sexual manner...the guy was a nut case. It is sad that his psyche was so deteriorated, but he was a Wacko Jacko.
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Whoa this thread kind of took off. Regarding my comment before, I only wanted to clear up a certain misconception that I feel is prevalent with people who throw out the "not guilty means innocent" thing.
Regarding MJ and all that shit I'll put it all like this. I don't give 2 fucking shits. The guy made some great music, he didn't really change the fucking world people. Get fucking real.
Einstein changed the world, Jonas Salk changed the world where the fuck are the weekend long memorials for them? Where are the hordes of crying people, the phone calls to radio stations, the celebrations and remembrances of the good things they achieved? I'd bet most people have to google Jonas Salk to even know who he is, or what he did (I always forget the guys name, even though I use the example a lot in these types of debates, so I'm half guilty of this too). I don't know shit about his trial, what it consisted of, what types of Wheaties the guy ate for breakfast, his favorite color or his life long dream. The guy made great music, was a good performer and was a very out there weird guy. Child molestation stuff aside, the plastic surgery, the neverland house he had, turning himself white.
I don't hold that stuff against him though. I believe that the same force that drives creativity and invention leads to the weird fucking opinions and behaviors. Artists who are innovators experience the world in a completely unique way, and the greater the innovative drive the more off these people tend to be. This is what allows them to create things no one else can, if they didn't have such radically different perceptions/thoughts etc they would create the same stuff everyone else does. Unfortunately its a double edged sword which tends to make these types very strange. Take a look at some very famous artists, musicians, poets etc. There is a very high correlation with psychiatric disorders, eccentric personalities, drug use etc. And the more innovative/forward thinking the artist the more 'out there' they tend to be.
In summary, MJ made some great music. Lets just let the guy RIP already, but lets not make him out to be some kind of great hero who really did anything. He made a bunch of teen girls, and Chobby, wet their panties, made millions of dollars, entertained lots of people along the way and passed on. No disrespect to the dead but the guy really didn't change shit.
Regarding MJ and all that shit I'll put it all like this. I don't give 2 fucking shits. The guy made some great music, he didn't really change the fucking world people. Get fucking real.
Einstein changed the world, Jonas Salk changed the world where the fuck are the weekend long memorials for them? Where are the hordes of crying people, the phone calls to radio stations, the celebrations and remembrances of the good things they achieved? I'd bet most people have to google Jonas Salk to even know who he is, or what he did (I always forget the guys name, even though I use the example a lot in these types of debates, so I'm half guilty of this too). I don't know shit about his trial, what it consisted of, what types of Wheaties the guy ate for breakfast, his favorite color or his life long dream. The guy made great music, was a good performer and was a very out there weird guy. Child molestation stuff aside, the plastic surgery, the neverland house he had, turning himself white.
I don't hold that stuff against him though. I believe that the same force that drives creativity and invention leads to the weird fucking opinions and behaviors. Artists who are innovators experience the world in a completely unique way, and the greater the innovative drive the more off these people tend to be. This is what allows them to create things no one else can, if they didn't have such radically different perceptions/thoughts etc they would create the same stuff everyone else does. Unfortunately its a double edged sword which tends to make these types very strange. Take a look at some very famous artists, musicians, poets etc. There is a very high correlation with psychiatric disorders, eccentric personalities, drug use etc. And the more innovative/forward thinking the artist the more 'out there' they tend to be.
In summary, MJ made some great music. Lets just let the guy RIP already, but lets not make him out to be some kind of great hero who really did anything. He made a bunch of teen girls, and Chobby, wet their panties, made millions of dollars, entertained lots of people along the way and passed on. No disrespect to the dead but the guy really didn't change shit.
Chubby
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"In your culture it may be ok to molest kids but not here." Are you laughing at this? I don't have any culture to follow. I just follow my own heart and do whatever it tells me right thing to do.snap
Quote from the article:Wacko Jacko admitted to sleeping with children in a non sexual manner...
Who the F*&# does that....really? Only a grade A creep sleep with other people's children even if it is in a non sexual manner...the guy was a nut case. It is sad that his psyche was so deteriorated, but he was a Wacko Jacko.
???There was one night, I asked him if I could stay in the bedroom and he let me stay in the bedroom,??? John told Bashir. Jackson quickly pointed out that the boy, accompanied by his younger brother, had slept in Jackson???s bed while Jackson slept in a sleeping bag on the floor."16
I don't have any culture to follow. I just follow my own heart and do whatever it tells me right thing to do.
with that comment its confirmed, you gotta be a skirt.
and your heart told you to join NAMBLA right?"In your culture it may be ok to molest kids but not here." Are you laughing at this? I don't have any culture to follow. I just follow my own heart and do whatever it tells me right thing to do.
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Einstein's work helped create the atom bomb. I'd rather have my kids accuse someone of molesting them than have an atomic bomb rip through the city and destroying us all.
And he did change the world alot. Especially in the music industry. You can easily pick any one person in the world who has had a big influence and say how they didn't practically change the world yet they had a massive influence.
And to all you haters he had a skin disorder called vitiligo, and my friend has it, and yes it turns you white, but he had his bleached to get it all over with rather than scaring every woman and child who looked at him but unfortunately it went wrong because of the surgeons, not because of him!
ya'll such haters
keep it on the down low so that they dont ruin his rep by accusing him of child molestation, which even if he was not charged with (which he wasnt) it would still ruin his reputation (which it did, eg you not liking him due to the accusation only), and furthemore this would open chances to other families wanting a share just because jackson had already been accused by it by a family who had accused 3 other people of such atrocities. I really dont see what evidence makes him look guilty. It's just accusations
If he really did like little boys dont you think he had enough money to pay for boys to come and be molested by him anyways without trying to trick them into the bedroom???
Oh yea, and its the kids who asked to stay in his room
Dont hate pls
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Chubby
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Damn.. you are back again.
Damn.. you are back again.
Your still here?
Wacko Jacko admitted to sleeping with children in a non sexual manner...
Who the F*&# does that....really? Only a grade A creep sleep with other people's children even if it is in a non sexual manner...the guy was a nut case. It is sad that his psyche was so deteriorated, but he was a Wacko Jacko.
when Tesla was little she always slept with me. when she was 7 or 8 she had this little girl stay overnight and they went to bed in her room. a few hours later they both came in my room because Tess couldn't sleep without mommy. They both climbed in my king sized bed and went to sleep. when i was babysitting a little boy who was about two he was camped out on pile of cushions on the lr floor while i watched tv. he came over to me and said "i'm scaret other mother can i lay with you?" i let him lay beside me on the couch till he fell asleep the put him back on his bedding.
to automatically think something is fishy about an adult acting like a motherly or fatherly person with a child is just wrong.
No hate, just having fun.
By the way, look at these photos....
They weren't done by Americans but it sure is funny, well some are in bad taste.
People of the court...
No, your right but if your child had a sleepover and came back complaining about being touched by someone I imagine you will investigate?
The right thing to do is to seek the truth but at the same time you can't ignore your kids cry for help.
Personal story.
One night I caught my half sister (not from my real father) having sex with my mothers boyfriend who we were living with.
She was 13 or 14, I was 11.
He treatened to hurt me and my other sisters if I told my mother, I was scared shit. So I kept it quiet.
My mother was a heavy sleeper so she never heard them...I used to hear the bed spring noises every night until I couldn't take it no more.
I told my mother and she didn't believe me, now this made things worse...the mental abuse was too much for a kid my age, his whole inner circle knew and made fun of me.
She took the both of us to our crazy Pentecostal neighbors the nuts made us put our hands on the bible and swear on it to see who spoke the truth...I sort got nervous and they mistook that as me being the lier.... Hench my hatred for Religious idiots.
Well one day she catches them, I had the flu at the time this happened but I was happy.
Well all hell breaks loose and blah blah blah, we go to the precinct and nothing was made out of it, since my half sister denied the whole thing happened they couldn't do a thing. No case.
Her boyfriend tries to make amends with my mother instead he stabs her in the back with a knife....every one cried that day but me.
I was just tired and empty to care.
One night I caught my half sister (not from my real father) having sex with my mothers boyfriend who we were living with.
She was 13 or 14, I was 11.
He treatened to hurt me and my other sisters if I told my mother, I was scared shit. So I kept it quiet.
My mother was a heavy sleeper so she never heard them...I used to hear the bed spring noises every night until I couldn't take it no more.
I told my mother and she didn't believe me, now this made things worse...the mental abuse was too much for a kid my age, his whole inner circle knew and made fun of me.
She took the both of us to our crazy Pentecostal neighbors the nuts made us put our hands on the bible and swear on it to see who spoke the truth...I sort got nervous and they mistook that as me being the lier.... Hench my hatred for Religious idiots.
Well one day she catches them, I had the flu at the time this happened but I was happy.
Well all hell breaks loose and blah blah blah, we go to the precinct and nothing was made out of it, since my half sister denied the whole thing happened they couldn't do a thing. No case.
Her boyfriend tries to make amends with my mother instead he stabs her in the back with a knife....every one cried that day but me.
I was just tired and empty to care.
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