Health Care Bill

[IronAddict]

It ALREADY passed the Senate. It was the Senate version the House just passed. It now goes to Obama's desk for signature which is reported he'll do tomorrow.

Can we bitch now?

Wow.. It paseed!
I have to admitt, I thought it would never pass!

Bitching lamp is now lit!

 

[irontime]

It ALREADY passed the Senate. It was the Senate version the House just passed. It now goes to Obama's desk for signature which is reported he'll do tomorrow.

Can we bitch now?

I think you'll find it to be a good thing pops. There will be some kinks to work out (which I'm sure will piss everyone off) but ultimately the end result will be a great benefit to everybody.

 

[DOMS]

I think you'll find it to be a good thing pops. There will be some kinks to work out (which I'm sure will piss everyone off) but ultimately the end result will be a great benefit to everybody.

Because (poorly executed) redistribution of wealth solves everything.

 

[brk_nemesis]

Well if i heard correctly,..... there is something in it stating the Amish and "Christian " scientists can opt out of the bill. But then again I heard it on Savage,... ahaha! Sorry, ... guy cracks me up.

But,..... If true,..... there would be lawsuits out of the wizwang.

~ Violation of right to religion, equal protection, equal rights, etc......




The again,.. he coulda been jokin'

 

[ALBOB]

I think you'll find it to be a good thing pops. There will be some kinks to work out (which I'm sure will piss everyone off) but ultimately the end result will be a great benefit to everybody.

No, I won't like it at ALL. Your system may be very well and good but, this one is an absolute travesty. Focusing on the $$$ alone, it's going to throw this country into the greatest depression we've ever seen.

 

[DaMayor]

That's okay, South Carolina politicians to the rescue.

Obamacare sparking 10th Amendment rebellion, action in seven states | Washington Examiner

 

[ZECH]

This is going to be one big clusterfuck!

 

[Doublebase]

So does this mean I will not have to pay 215$ every two weeks to cover my family's medical benefits?

 

[Dale Mabry]

I honestly don't see what all the hubbub is about. Unless you make $250k a year, you will be marginally, if at all, affected. If that is you, you have every right to be pissed because your tax responsibility is ridiculous. If it's not, what are your concerns? The only valid one is the one about the waiting lines for care, but to believe that people who currently cannot afford a pot to piss in are going to run to the Dr. and pay the exorbitant copays that are going to go along with the shitty insurance they are going to get is misguided, if not ignorant. Even if the insurance itself is subsidized, there is still going to be a significant amount of out of pocket expense to seek care, significant enough to deter people from rushing to the hospital for no reason.

 

[Arnold]

President Obama signs landmark health bill into law

washingtonpost.com

 

[bandaidwoman]

So does this mean I will not have to pay 215$ every two weeks to cover my family's medical benefits?

if it is employer sponsered, they may just pay the 700 dollar plus fine and dump you onto the insurance exchange. This health care reform does not prevent insurance companies from continuing their exorbitant fees on us employers who pay for health insurance. I guess I could stop paying half a million and let my 45 employees fend for themselves and drop my yearly overhead by 470,000 a year, but I won't do it, but will your's? And I gaurantee you that what you find on the insurance exchange won't be as comprehensive as what your employer bargained for with his group insurance.
If you are an individual policy owner, you just need to compare the benefits vs cost,

 

[Dark Geared God]

So does this mean I will not have to pay 215$ every two weeks to cover my family's medical benefits?

u will pay more

 

[Dark Geared God]

if it is employer sponsered, they may just pay the 700 dollar plus fine and dump you onto the insurance exchange. This health care reform does not prevent insurance companies from continuing their exorbitant fees on us employers who pay for health insurance. I guess I could stop paying half a million and let my 45 employees fend for themselves and drop my yearly overhead by 470,000 a year, but I won't do it, but will your's? And I gaurantee you that what you find on the insurance exchange won't be as comprehensive as what your employer bargained for with his group insurance.
If you are an individual policy owner, you just need to compare the benefits vs cost,

Dump them and save that money..

 

[maniclion]

No, I won't like it at ALL. Your system may be very well and good but, this one is an absolute travesty. Focusing on the $$$ alone, it's going to throw this country into the greatest depression we've ever seen.

Great Depressions build character....

 

[bandaidwoman]

Dump them and save that money..

It's interesting, the two republican partners want to dump providing health insurance for our employees and keep the 450 thousand as profit sharing among partners but the two democrats ( moi and the other senior partner) don't want to give our employees inferior products ( talk about hypocrisy). Instead, I have asked my office manager to use this as leverage when we renew our contract with them in one year.

In other words, you can see how this is going to be a bonanza for businesses who want to dump their second highest overhead and let their employees fend for themselves on the suboptimal insurance exchange market. This is why I really hate the bill.

 

[ALBOB]

I honestly don't see what all the hubbub is about. Unless you make $250k a year, you will be marginally, if at all, affected. If that is you, you have every right to be pissed because your tax responsibility is ridiculous. If it's not, what are your concerns? The only valid one is the one about the waiting lines for care, but to believe that people who currently cannot afford a pot to piss in are going to run to the Dr. and pay the exorbitant copays that are going to go along with the shitty insurance they are going to get is misguided, if not ignorant. Even if the insurance itself is subsidized, there is still going to be a significant amount of out of pocket expense to seek care, significant enough to deter people from rushing to the hospital for no reason.

I'm fucking PISSED!!!

 

[DOMS]

So this health care bill is basically stealing from the rich?

Wait a second...did a black man just steal something...?

 

[Dark Geared God]

It's interesting, the two republican partners want to dump providing health insurance for our employees and keep the 450 thousand as profit sharing among partners but the two democrats ( moi and the other senior partner) don't want to give our employees inferior products ( talk about hypocrisy). Instead, I have asked my office manager to use this as leverage when we renew our contract with them in one year.

In other words, you can see how this is going to be a bonanza for businesses who want to dump their second highest overhead and let their employees fend for themselves on the suboptimal insurance exchange market. This is why I really hate the bill.

well i think they are saying fuck it ...keep the money hell if it the law why not save money.....

 

[Dark Geared God]

Great Depressions build character....

Amen, my money is in the land of swiss chocolate.. safe from the welll

 

[Dark Geared God]

So this health care bill is basically stealing from the rich?

Wait a second...did a black man just steal something...?

 

[GearsMcGilf]

It's interesting, the two republican partners want to dump providing health insurance for our employees and keep the 450 thousand as profit sharing among partners but the two democrats ( moi and the other senior partner) don't want to give our employees inferior products ( talk about hypocrisy). Instead, I have asked my office manager to use this as leverage when we renew our contract with them in one year.

So, the two dem partners do or don't want to dump the employees?

I say keep it as income for yourselves. Find somewhere else to spend it so that you can still write it off as a business expense. Screw the help. They probably voted for this president anyway. If they're getting inferior coverage thru this bill, they're only getting what they voted for.

 

[bandaidwoman]

the two democrat partners want to keep the superior, more expensive health insurance for our employees. We believe in ethical business practices, don't get me wrong we care about the bottom line, ( in fact he and I generate the most revenue) but we also want a good, non toxic, environment where we garner loyalty and attract solid employees. There is a lot of waste training new employees on a regular basis .Unlike our other collegues we have almost no turnover unless it is firing an unfit employee.


I think the two republicans want to split the 450 thousand four ways because they just don't generate the revenue the senior partner and I do and so we have the higher incomes ( it's their fault, they don't bother to code correctly so that they can collect from the insurance, they don't put in the 90 hour weeks we do etc.)

we are in the south, so most of our employees voted for mcain. I just think it is ironic the two republicans want to abandon paying health insurance for the sake of padding their pockets. In essence, profitting from the Obama plan.....

What's even more ironic is that we are both athiests, I wonder where the chrisitisn adage "do unto others..." went? I prefer the Bahai's creed "treat every single person you deal with as if they were your family". I consider my employees whom I have know all my 12 years as family.

 

[maniclion]

Amen, my money is in the land of swiss chocolate.. safe from the welll

Not any longer, they can issue a warrant, the super secret safe has been cracked.....

 

[twarrior]

He was right when he said he would change politics as we know it. We now have Chicago style politics in DC. Looks like they've finally bribed enough members of their own party to get this disaster rammed down our throats. Too bad some patriot couldn't have assassinated him on the campaign trail.

You might want to be careful what you say regarding the president. The Secret Service is investigating a twitter pertaining to your same comments.

Tweeter Threatening To Kill Obama Investigated By Secret Service « Alan Colmes' Liberaland

You may say you "didn't do anything wrong," but the law???specifically 18 USC Sec. 871: does not agree with you.

"Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."


Would hate to see anyone on the forum hauled away. We all know how the govt interprets anything to fit their own goal/benefit.

 

[twarrior]

More info.. Some Q&A's posted by Kaiser Health

Consumers Guide To Health Reform - Kaiser Health News

 

[busyLivin]

You might want to be careful what you say regarding the president. The Secret Service is investigating a twitter pertaining to your same comments.

Tweeter Threatening To Kill Obama Investigated By Secret Service « Alan Colmes' Liberaland

You may say you "didn't do anything wrong," but the law???specifically 18 USC Sec. 871: does not agree with you.

"Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."


Would hate to see anyone on the forum hauled away. We all know how the govt interprets anything to fit their own goal/benefit.

Yeah, talking about assassination is really counter productive. It only makes you look like a fool.

I think Obama is somewhat of an embarrassment.. at least his election was an embarrassment, but I'd never wish harm on him. I always hated the left's abhorrent disrespect for Bush, so I don't want to join in now.

Public opinion is on the Republican side & if elections were held today the Democrats would be dramatically swept out of power. We need to stick to the facts & we will be rewarded with Harry Reid's retirement & the whack job Pelosi being kicked from the Speaker position, and most importantly Obama will be a lame duck. This is less than 8 months away.

If this kind of bullshit takes off public opinion will easily turn to sympathy for Obama & he'll be re-elected. The Democrats will bury themselves, they don't need any help.

 

[GearsMcGilf]

For the record, I never threatened to harm the president. I said if only someone else had back on the campaign trail. B....B..BB..But, I didn't mean it!

 

[soxmuscle]

I honestly don't see what all the hubbub is about. Unless you make $250k a year, you will be marginally, if at all, affected. If that is you, you have every right to be pissed because your tax responsibility is ridiculous. If it's not, what are your concerns? The only valid one is the one about the waiting lines for care, but to believe that people who currently cannot afford a pot to piss in are going to run to the Dr. and pay the exorbitant copays that are going to go along with the shitty insurance they are going to get is misguided, if not ignorant. Even if the insurance itself is subsidized, there is still going to be a significant amount of out of pocket expense to seek care, significant enough to deter people from rushing to the hospital for no reason.

What do people making $250k-plus have to do that people making less than that don't have to do?

And should this have any effect on what I want to do with my life? For instance, should I give up hopes of being a doctor and try to find a career that falls in that $175k to $225k salary so I can just miss being considered rich by this bill' standards?

 

[bandaidwoman]

What do people making $250k-plus have to do that people making less than that don't have to do?

And should this have any effect on what I want to do with my life? For instance, should I give up hopes of being a doctor and try to find a career that falls in that $175k to $225k salary so I can just miss being considered rich by this bill' standards?

honestly, I make 300 plus ( have commercial property i rent to docs) and this extra tax won't hurt me since I live on half of what i make. ( there is a chinese saying, happiness is living well beneath your means). The numskulls with huge Mc Mansions and luxury cars that demand mortgage size payments will suffer more than I. ( I drive a paid for honda civic and my husband has two trucks, one purcased for cash at an auction for 2000 and a silverado that is completely paid for). ( Of course I have 23 thousand dollars worth of bikes and a 25K home gym , my husband is a body builder and posts occassionaly on this site but that is my only luxury.....)

 

[DaMayor]

honestly, I make 300 plus

Ugh, said the small business owner who might have made 300....dollars...in the past two years.......so, could you write me a prescription for Prozac now?

Honestly, all of this talk about Depression(s) and/or economic collapse really doesn't effect me. I've operated a non-profit for years, lol. Owning a small business these days is the equivalent of being homeless and living in a box...my box just happens to have a cash register and an open sign.