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I am all for immigration
Lol, let me clarrify... Illegal immigration. I just got into with someone not too long ago about that. He was all for amnesty and I just couldn't see why.
Go back to Mexico, no new jobs for you esse', take your cholito's with you....
NO hablo espanol amigo
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I am in reference to "ILLEGAL"
Sick of them~ In fact the next best thing is making more public policies to make it for us the TAX payers to have the benefits and to lessen the burden on us men and women in paying taxes....Is to "Fire" those of the past and get their pensions! Heck, they did nothing then and still having nothing done now. Why are paying this? How much education does one need to gain status to the mere problem? Oh, they have no plan? Oh, well see ya, we need to pay for those with progress, not a air head with "No Plan".
If we fired those with little to nothing and then took back the pensions of those that did nothing then and gave us this situation now... then we would have more money (via taxes) to then bring us less need for increases!
Sick of them~ In fact the next best thing is making more public policies to make it for us the TAX payers to have the benefits and to lessen the burden on us men and women in paying taxes....Is to "Fire" those of the past and get their pensions! Heck, they did nothing then and still having nothing done now. Why are paying this? How much education does one need to gain status to the mere problem? Oh, they have no plan? Oh, well see ya, we need to pay for those with progress, not a air head with "No Plan".
If we fired those with little to nothing and then took back the pensions of those that did nothing then and gave us this situation now... then we would have more money (via taxes) to then bring us less need for increases!
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I was going to post some long, fact filled, treatise...but no, I'm just going to say this: Mexicans are from a place so bad that even they don't want to live there, so that bring that shit here.
I'm burnt on this topic..
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Shoot them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes.
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so would I,but I wouldn't ask the citizens of the country I was invading to alter there customs and culture to fit me.I would do my best to fit in and draw as little attention to myself as possible.
Make English the official language and let everyone who is working here become a citizen if they pass basic English, 90% of Americans can't pass that citizen test anyway. Besides, I don't care if they know who the 15th president was, I want people who generate revenue and are willing to work regardless of citizenship status. Tax them normally, and tax the shit out of any money they try to send to Mexico, and charge extravagant fees for cashing American Paychecks in Mexico. Any cash sent to Mexico via the mail is property of the US postal service. Those who just want to work here can, but they are taxed higher than those that become citizens. Fine employers an exorbitant amount of money for under the table workers, at least twice what the employees share of taxes would be, therefore making it undesirable to hire illegals that don't pay their taxes. Any criminal activity whatsoever outside of speeding citations and the like sends you back to Mexico for good. All revenues generated from their employment go to erecting a 20 foot tall electric fence, as we shut the doors for good. Then we can start enforcing our laws.
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Sure...let's reward people that break the law. Why not...
i learned when i was a medic, you cant change the world people are going to do stupid shit. they have there own country we cant take everybody in, iam not racist at all, but, come on, my country sucks, " lets go to america" fuck you stay the fuck out, i mean visit then go back. dont come here with your gang bangin ways and start shit here leave it in your own country. thats for every immigrant from anywhere. if the gang bangers got smart with me on the ambulance i would give them a bellvue sandwich when no one was looking me and my partner. the coolest people i ever dealt with were prisoners from attica state penn. but we cant change the world.
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Therein lies the problem. They're third-world people, living a third-world lifestyle, and they come here and continue to live that way in a first-world country. They end up bringing down the country to their level.
What makes it so much worse is that they come here in the millions.
They all need to be rounded up and shipped back home. Some people contend that this will be expensive. Well, how much more expensive is it to keep them here? Not only in dollars, but in American lives. They kill on average 12 Americans a day.
What makes it so much worse is that they come here in the millions.
They all need to be rounded up and shipped back home. Some people contend that this will be expensive. Well, how much more expensive is it to keep them here? Not only in dollars, but in American lives. They kill on average 12 Americans a day.
^^very mature piont doms by looking at it that way. 12 lives those son of a guns, my wife is from another country but she pays very high taxes. and so do i for that matter, if you need welfare to get started then get off fine but this lifetime welfare stuff has to go. i feel bad for the people who really need it and dont get it. theres alot of immagrants near where the city closest to me. all troulble makers. its the kids from 17-24 that mostly start the problems.
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If the Mexican were here in smaller number, or assimilated into this first-world nation, no one would care; but they do neither.
Like I've said before, I've lived in places were there we almost no Mexican, and then they came in droves. I've seen the damage that they cause. It goes far beyond mere money.
Like I've said before, I've lived in places were there we almost no Mexican, and then they came in droves. I've seen the damage that they cause. It goes far beyond mere money.
People are rewarded for breaking the law every day, our economy thrives on it. Let's be honest, for the most part the only people who really care about the Mexicans are the middle to lower class white trash because with the right work ethic the Mexican can pass them. Successful people rarely care about this issue, they may say something publicly, but privately they employ these same people to do their shit work. I have 2 hardcore Republican family clients who both utilize illegals for their cleaning and yard work services, yet they complain about illegal immigrants and the government interfering in AZ's law. Bush could have easily passed legislation on this but he didn't want to because of the political ramifications. As far as I see it, there is a very small number of people such as yourself DOMS who are both successful and care about this issue, if there were a significant number of them this would have been taken care of by now. Maybe it is different around border towns, but there are a ton of Mexicans around here, and there is little to no crime involving them.
as always you hit the nail on the head.
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Little to no crime? Can you back that up with...anything? Anything at all? I've studied the issue of crime and illegals and nothing that I've read even suggests that what you've said is correct.
Also, if its not such a big deal, they why are so many Arizonans pushing for the laws; and I'm not just talking about the politicians. I have relatives and friends that live there (I used to live there) that fully support that law.
Then again, you did say "border towns". So, it's not big deal because its just the border towns? I don't consider Salt Lake City to be a border town and many people there also want tighter immigration laws for very practical, real-world, reasons.
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Oh, and my gardener is white. I don't hire Mexicans for shit.
A neighbor hired some Mexicans from Nampa (a city full of illegals out to the west of Boise) to lay the tile in his home. Two days later his house was burglarized (the only crime in this neighborhood for years).
Sure enough, they went out to the house of the Mexicans and found some of the stolen items.
In case you're wondering, the home owners were Democrats that voted for Black Jesus.
A neighbor hired some Mexicans from Nampa (a city full of illegals out to the west of Boise) to lay the tile in his home. Two days later his house was burglarized (the only crime in this neighborhood for years).
Sure enough, they went out to the house of the Mexicans and found some of the stolen items.
In case you're wondering, the home owners were Democrats that voted for Black Jesus.
I shouldn't laugh at this but it's so damn funny
Put it this way, I train members of my local police department, they are not an issue here at all. I don't doubt that they are involved with crime, but I don't think it is disproportional to the number of them. Can I give you cold hard facts? No. I can tell you that I read the Philly newspapers and watch the news every day, it's just not an issue here. I have no idea why Arizonians are pushing for this law, I honestly don't believe it is, I have friends who live there that are for the law and friends there are who against it. I know of like 3 cases that are major national news, but I'm not going to condemn an entire ethnicity of people for the actions of a few. There is a clear separation between the drug cartels/gangs and people who want to work here to have a better life. I am for giving people who want a better life the opportunity to come here, and I don't think it should be a difficult process for them to do so.
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I have plenty of cold hard facts about the criminal effects of illegals in the US. There are plenty to be had.
You don't have a clue as to why Arizonans want these laws passed because you live in a place with few illegals. The division of those who are for or against/ambivalent towards these laws is clear: whether you have to deal with them are not.
So, whose opinion am I supposed to respect? Those that actually have to live with the problem or those than don't?
I'm one of the people that has, and is, living with that problem. I know how real it is.
So let's not deal with it now because it's not a problem to the people in the far north.
Lastly, that "better life" is a crock. I'm sure they do want a better life. However, there are two problems with it. First off, they can't create it on their own, so they're trying to get a free ride here. Secondly, they came in search of that better life, but end up ruining the very thing they are looking for.
Really, you talk about how it's no big since you don't have to deal with it. Well, you know what? It's a god damn big deal for those of use that do have to deal with it. Oh, and just because it's not a problem for you now doesn't mean it won't be at some point in the future. They're flooding across the border at over 600,000 people a year.
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well guess what were not FUCK HEAD! so tell them mexicans to fuck off or take a bullet to the head, id be more than happy for the goverment to add a new tax to my paycheck called the *bullet for the death of a illegal mexican tax, id be more than happy to pay for that tax
the boarder towns are effected by crime, i just seen on the news in tx that people are affraid to leave there house because of illegals passing in and out of there yards in the wee hrs of morning trying to steal there vehicles. but i dont live there and dont want to either. i tell my wife why didnt you stay in the former soviet union, she said theres no opportunity there , i bite my tongue on that one. so every country that peoples goverment cant take good care of them we should, then where we going to live. not just mexicans all countries that have shit for goverments. i would love to live in greece but i cant because you are put through the ringer by there homeland security. plus you have to make a certain amount of money a yr. america cant rescue everybody from there own countries. drs in russia make 1,000usd a yr. thats it. and moscow is very high now in everything bad as london in moscow.
I'm not betrothen to my feelings on this debate, if there is some evidence that would sway me post it or PM it to me. If there is good reason for me to be on the other side of this debate I am sure I will go there if provided with sufficient evidence. I haven't seen any, though, I have only been told of it.
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You haven't taken a position on this issue because it doesn't yet directly effect you.
I'll start with my own personal experience.
I spent 6 months in Salt Lake City (SLC) back in 1993. Back then, there were almost no Mexican there. Gun crime was almost nonexistent. They had just appointed their first drug task force (a small group of police). There was also very little graffiti, and even then, most of it was "Skateboarding is not a crime" type stuff.
Then I moved back there from 2000 through 2007. By 2000 there were already a lot more Mexicans there and the crime rate had risen considerably and was continuing to rise.
The Mexicans were initially relegated to the west end of the SLC valley and the west side of Ogden (the second largest city, north of SLC). During my eight years in SLC, I watched as they spread across the valley and the state.
While SLC is the largest city in Utah, Ogden has the highest amount of illegals, and also the highest crime rate in the entire state.
Gun crime became an almost weekly occurrence. It was usually Mexican on Mexican, but it was also Mexican on American.
It's more than just the crime that comes with illegals, it's also the destruction of American neighborhoods. I watched cities such as West Valley erode as the Mexicans migrated eastward into the valley. Once nice, clean, safe neighborhoods became trash strewn, graffiti covered, rundown, and crime filled. I'm not talking about some report or new piece, I watched it encroach on my house. Ultimately, I moved further east into Taylorsville. By 2007, that same Mexican created environment was encroaching there as well.
I watched cities erode right before my eyes.
The logic behind it is simple and irrefutable. Mexicans seeking "a better life" come from a run down third-world country that they can't be bothered to fix or even take care of. They come to a first-world nation and bring the lifestyle that trashed their country to the new one. The don't assimilate or try to live to first-world standards in any way. What I saw happen to those cities was their transformation from first-world standards to third-world standards.
As one person so aptly put it, we're importing poverty.
Add to that the shear numbers of Mexicans that are here. There are upwards of 26 million of them here, with over 600,000 arriving every year. How can such a tidal wave of third-world people not effect the country that they're invading?
Again, I'm not talking about a report or news piece, but the very effect that I've seen happen in SLC. Now, living in Boise, I'm starting to see it here.
As for simple facts, just do a Google search. You'll find the numbers. Billions spent on educating illegals in schools. Billions spent on providing welfare to illegals. Billions spent on illegals in law enforcement and the legal system. A disproportionate amount of crime, especially violent crime, caused by Mexicans. 12 Americans killed every day by illegals. And on, and on, and on.
Again, it comes back to the Mexicans and the place they come from. They can't be bothered to try to clean up their own country or civilization, but I'm supposed to believe that they'll come to the US and magically start living with first-world standards? They're not.
They will continue to spread until it become your problem, too.
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