Pre Workout Supplement question

[gopro]

I will definitely continue answering to Built, who has a modicum of respect, and actually has MY respect.

But juggernaut, I will no longer communicate directly with you, so please do not direct any more questions/comments at me...at least ones you want a response to.

Built: I have asked the question to Jeff. I do know that this plant type is currently exclusive to AAP (his company), not AAEFX (just yet), so I do not know if there is any reason he is being somewhat "tight-lipped."

 

[juggernaut]

But juggernaut, I will no longer communicate directly with you, so please do not direct any more questions/comments at me...at least ones you want a response to.

It's okay. You dont offer anything of use anyway.

Back to topic.

 

[gopro]

It's okay. You dont offer anything of use anyway.

Back to topic.

...and you are absoutely nothing in this industry anyway, so...

 

[juggernaut]

...and you are absoutely nothing in this industry anyway, so...

So, where's that information we've been waiting on?

 

[juggernaut]

But juggernaut, I will no longer communicate directly with you, so please do not direct any more questions/comments at me...at least ones you want a response to.

It's so easy.

 

[gopro]

Built,

I put the question into Jeff for you. I know that Taxadrol is currently patent pending, so I am not sure how much he will/can offer, but hopefully he WILL give me something of value to you for your research.

 

[blergs.]

I thought i posted in this one already but i guess not i cant see my post.
I would rec a couple things:
N2KTS 1000% if you can get it.
ASGT
ADDERLLIN
and lastly, just some pure caffein (200-300mg) with 1g taurine, 1g ALCAR.
one of these are nice.
I LOVED the N2KTS from NTBM thow above all and would highly rec it, if your ok with stims that is.

for test boosting HCGenerate and some D-aspartic acid (3-4g ed 4wks on 1-2wks off repeat a couple times)

 

[Norton1977]

I DONT recommend NO Explode

Ahh, I've just bought NE online..

Why don't you recommend it?

 

[juggernaut]

Ahh, I've just bought NE online..

Why don't you recommend it?

I've had several clients and members complain that there is a cough and the jitters from the amount of caffeine they put in it is pretty high. I've never tried it myself, but that was kind of a turnoff in itself.
Again, best thing to do is try some caffeine anhydrous with 5g of arginine. See how it works. Also, use some creatine mono-as it THE only true substance related to creatine used in lab studies. There are other types, but there is something to be said about lab testing with the same product over and over, and showing that it does in fact work.

 

[DIVINITUS]

Any pre-workout stim, including the brand we produce, has caffeine. There are tons of research behind caffeine and how well it works as an ergogenic aid for training and performance.
If you cant afford a quality pre-workout stim, use a type of caffeine tablet called caffeine anhydrous about an hour before training as well as some cheap arginine (about 5g).

Running something similar now, One 200mg Caffeine pill, 1 serving CEE and 1 serving Nitro4 (both ironmaglabs stuff) about 45 minutes before lifting and I feel fantastic during my workouts.

 

[OutWhey]

N2KTS for sure! needto is so confident in it pop by anabolic minds hes giving away 100 canisters to the first 100 people who want to test it and see what the buzz is about

N2KTS is the only pre-workout that I have not becomes ammuned too and I still get jacked on it.

 

[juggernaut]

Running something similar now, One 200mg Caffeine pill, 1 serving CEE and 1 serving Nitro4 (both ironmaglabs stuff) about 45 minutes before lifting and I feel fantastic during my workouts.

I've stuck with creatine mono ever since it came out from the old school EAS brand with the shitloads of dextrose to now using strictly monohydrate in all of our products. It works and it's damn cheap and abundant.

 

[theCaptn']

...and you are absoutely nothing in this industry anyway, so...

lol, and you are???

 

[Built]

Built,

I put the question into Jeff for you. I know that Taxadrol is currently patent pending, so I am not sure how much he will/can offer, but hopefully he WILL give me something of value to you for your research.

Thank you. I'm sure I'm not the only person who likes to know what's in whatever pill it is that I'm swallowing.

 

[gopro]

lol, and you are???

LOL...I am nothing really...just a pro bber, author of 4 books, columnist for 3 mags, have about 100 published articles, been on the cover of an international magazine, been in about 30 product ads, have worked with several top supplement companies, developed 2 training systems used world wide, co-host a radio show with Jose Antonio whenever he needs me, am a judge and an advisory board member in the NGA, train athletes/bodybuilders from all over the globe, have the #1 selling DVD at Iron Man for the last year and a half...getting tired...will stop there

And, I have been very blessed with all of it and appreciate everything I have done and every opportunity I have had to make a wonderful living from and give back to this industry : )

 

[gopro]

Thank you. I'm sure I'm not the only person who likes to know what's in whatever pill it is that I'm swallowing.

I am sure you scrutinize EVERY supplement that comes out like this.

But I have bad news...Jeff is not giving me much because it is a patent pending compound and it is 100% exclusive to AAP (so he is being quite protective). So, your only recourse is to not take it so you do not have to worry about anything : )

That said...I am going to continue to grill him further about specifics. Also, you should know that the product has been safety tested for the last 2 years with not one single adverse event.

 

[Built]

I don't scrutinize all supplements like this. Only the ones with mysterious ingredients and grandiose claims.

Seriously, this un-named variety of yew makes me nervous because of the known chemotheraputic effect due the British Columbian yew. If this stuff elicits its effect through a similar path, that is to say, through gonadal damage, I'm sure your customers would be just as interested to know the name of the plant.

Thanks for the update.

 

[juggernaut]

I am sure you scrutinize EVERY supplement that comes out like this.

But I have bad news...Jeff is not giving me much because it is a patent pending compound and it is 100% exclusive to AAP (so he is being quite protective). So, your only recourse is to not take it so you do not have to worry about anything : )

That said...I am going to continue to grill him further about specifics. Also, you should know that the product has been safety tested for the last 2 years with not one single adverse event.

I see. So is this patent for the actual processing of this wonder ingredient or the product itself? Because,
"Companies should also be responsible when using the term because they don???t have the authority to use it for fraudulent means and no real patent application was actually filed. People caught doing this would be given appropriate punishments such as payment of fines."
You might want to read this

And you keep on "grilling" because you need to bite the hand of the company that feeds you. That's good business practice.

 

[juggernaut]

I don't scrutinize all supplements like this. Only the ones with mysterious ingredients and grandiose claims.

Seriously, this un-named variety of yew makes me nervous because of the known chemotheraputic effect due the British Columbian yew. If this stuff elicits its effect through a similar path, that is to say, through gonadal damage, I'm sure your customers would be just as interested to know the name of the plant.

Thanks for the update.

 

[tjsulli]

Buy AAKG at deep discount. Save up to 75% on pharmaceutical l-arginine-alpha ketoglutarate. Buy factory direct at below wholesale cost. imo best prework out sup only down flaw is that its caffeine free and has no flavor
NutraBio caffeine anhydrous USP.

 

[JMRQ]

Thank you. I'm sure I'm not the only person who likes to know what's in whatever pill it is that I'm swallowing.

I agree with you Built...

 

[gopro]

I don't scrutinize all supplements like this. Only the ones with mysterious ingredients and grandiose claims.

Seriously, this un-named variety of yew makes me nervous because of the known chemotheraputic effect due the British Columbian yew. If this stuff elicits its effect through a similar path, that is to say, through gonadal damage, I'm sure your customers would be just as interested to know the name of the plant.

Thanks for the update.

It is apparent to me that since the actual compound hidafolia (Taxadrol) is currently patent pending, that I am not going to be given too many specifics about it for obvious reasons.

But for you specifically Built, I want to provide you with some information you may not know about ALL AMERICAN PHARMACEUTICAL. These points should give you some interesting insight into the company I represent:


*AAP just became certified by Informed-Choice. This organization is the strictest yet. As of right now, only 4 have been certified. 2 oversees and 2 here in the states, AAP being one of them. Most don???t even make it through the paperwork!

*AAP received a GRANT from the State of Montana in 2008 for research and commercialization of Kre-Celazine. And two grants received from the State of Montana for research and commercialization of Lyzyme 5. Both will be for our products.

*AAP have become a registered USDA Certified Facility, and were inspected twice this year under new the cGMP regulations (and passed both times with flying colors).

*AAP is getting a DEA Testing license to handle controlled substances to be used for standards when testing with their new GC-MS.

*AAP has been awarded a 5-year government testing and development contract to help validate a new vaccine for animals. The tests will use NIR.

Research and see what (if ANY) other supplement companies out there can say these things...and this is just a few interesting facts about EFX/AAP.

 

[Built]

That's cool. There really needs to be a regulatory body for supplements. Currently it's a free-for-all.

I'll be interested to read more about the yew plant being used.

 

[juggernaut]

We're glad your company that sponsors you are humanitarians. But all supplement companies are undergoing this same scrutiny, including mine and I welcome it. It makes for a better industry.
Still patent pending is still just a word. And in that case, your sponsors are not being very honest with what they're saying because this stuff has a base of research somewhere. It's just misleading that all google searches generally point to your company's website. It can and probably is another HMB scam for all we know.

 

[gopro]

That's cool. There really needs to be a regulatory body for supplements. Currently it's a free-for-all.

I'll be interested to read more about the yew plant being used.

AAP operates on the same level as some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Their facility and practices from A-Z are such that if they wanted to begin manufacturing drugs tomorrow, they would be able to.

As for the specifics about the plant being used, I am rather sure it is hush hush because there IS a very specific "yew" involved that has the properties that make it 1) safe for use, and 2) effective in the manner proposed. AAP DOES have a right to protect themselves if they are working with something exclusive to them that they do not want other companies copying.

To this day nobody ACTUALLY knows the process by which AAP brings the PH of creatine monohydrate to 12, even though the patent mentions baking soda and soda ash. Even the patent is not actually reflective of the actual KA product, as there is no baking soda, soda ash, bisodium carbonate, etc contained in it. The patent is written as such to protect the invention (whether one believes in it or not).

But like I said Built...if/when I do get more specifics I will let you in on them!

 

[juggernaut]

riiiight

 

[gopro]

Some people are born assholes.

Some become assholes.

The worst are those that die assholes.

For the rest of us...we need to ignore assholes

 

[juggernaut]

Some people are born assholes.

Some become assholes.

The worst are those that die assholes.

For the rest of us...we need to ignore assholes

Good thing you're just a jerkoff, so I dont have to guess which you are.

 

[pwloiacano]

For the forum group. I have tried a product that is giving me surprising results.

Gaspari Nutrition - Plasma-Jet. This is in pill form and is designed to be taken 1-2 hours before you work out.

I also stack this with a pre-workout shake of Super-Pump and 25G Myofusion protein. Both also by Gaspari. 40 minutes before workout.

The results have been unbelieveable! I have all kinds of extra energy, endurance, and am getting awesome pumps.

I know that everyone is different and certain things work better for certain people.

This is really working for me and well worth trying.

 

[JimWratt]

Rather disappointed in you guys

Good thing you're just a jerkoff, so I dont have to guess which you are.

Hmm, this was to be my first post introducing myself but i think i will also make it may last. I had been following some good discussions about new products here and thought i would join to up to have some input but suddenly this forum has degenerated downwards into a slanging match! i am really disappointed that there are such closed minded people on here, juggernaut stands out as the best example! I have to say i am most unimpressed by juggernaut who seems to think he is someone others should listen to but so far all i have seen flowing from his fingers is crap. And it strikes me juggernaut (or is it jerk-a-nought) should know what a jerkoff or an asshole looks like from his own bathroom mirror!

gopro, sad to see you allowing yourself to be dragged down to juggernaut's level, you know what you get covered in when you wrestle with lowly animals. Lift your game back above the gutter level jerk-a-nought has dragged you down to.

So i will not partake in any more of this nonsense other than to challenge juggernaut jerk-a-nought to actually come up with something intelligent and offer the forum something other than his own uninformed and ill-conceived opinions, maybe even something constructive (if he knows what that means, that is...).

Now go ahead ban me, i am bailing out anyway, i don't want more of my day ruined by the rubbish written by such narrow a minded idiot.