Prostitution.....should it be legalised?

[MDR]

Kelju, you work so hard at being an arrogant, pedantic little prick. Do you really enjoy spewing all this hate and venom? Thank you for the lesson on word meaning. I'm sure the professor I quoted would be equally grateful for your feedback. I disagree with you completely, in every possible way, but more than that I hope you are able to find some happiness in your obviously tortured life. Good luck with your anger issues, and know that their are mental health professionals out there who can help you overcome at least some of your many, many issues. I truly hope you are able to find some help. Best of luck to you.

 

[KelJu]

Kelju, you work so hard at being an arrogant, pedantic little prick. Do you really enjoy spewing all this hate and venom? Thank you for the lesson on word meaning. I'm sure the professor I quoted would be equally grateful for your feedback. I disagree with you completely, in every possible way, but more than that I hope you are able to find some happiness in your obviously tortured life. Good luck with your anger issues, and know that their are mental health professionals out there who can help you overcome at least some of your many, many issues. I truly hope you are able to find some help. Best of luck to you.

Actually, I don't work hard at all at being an arrogant pedantic prick. It is who I am, and fighting it takes too much energy. Calling me a woman hater is somewhat inaccurate, also. I hate people, and that is fundamentally different.

Your patronizing tone means diddly shit. Everyone who knows me knows I am fucked up, but that is irrelevant to the point which is the argument at hand. You are raping the English language and you are raping the rules of logical reasoning to boost your pathetic ego about what a great guy you are for being so sympathetic to all the whores of the world.

Compassion without wisdom is as useful as a square tire. The writer of that shit you posted is appealing to the people out there who desperately need to pat themselves on the back for being such good and caring people. Your heart might be in the right place, but your argument is weak.

 

[MDR]

Keep taking your meds Kelju, I'm sure you'll find the right combo one of these days. Fun having you around. You are completely full of shit, but always good for a laugh.

 

[blergs.]

yes it should.
where I live it is legal and you RARLY see any prostituts out, most do it out of there home and i cant even pinpoint them. its safter for them and keeps them off the streets = kids dont see it and less violencs in the allyways ect.

how about we worry about the crack and meth heads, and if theprostituts are makeing money for theses drugs as some im sure are then there first #1 a junky and then #2 a prostitut so prostituting is NOT there or ower main consern.

 

[KelJu]

Keep taking your meds Kelju, I'm sure you'll find the right combo one of these days. Fun having you around. You are completely full of shit, but always good for a laugh.

I am drug free ATM other than anti-psychotics, which is probably why I want to punch random strangers on the street.

 

[bio-chem]

I am drug free ATM other than anti-psychotics, which is probably why I want to punch random strangers on the street.

One day I'm buying you a beer. no joke

 

[IronAddict]

I say we all smoke a blunt, drink some beers, then go get a prostitute!

 

[REDDOG309]

And rippers and xannies for good measure

 

[GearsMcGilf]

I've never really been into hookers. But, as far as these young girls being victims, I say fuck'em. Those junkie teen girls are a dime a dozen IMO and about as valuable as a disposable ash tray. I'd rather them be out selling ass on the street for a pimp that beats the shit outta them than living on welfare while cranking out meth babies at the taxpayers' expense. At least this way, they're performing a service and paying their own way. Just my 2ccs.

 

[KelJu]

I've never really been into hookers. But, as far as these young girls being victims, I say fuck'em. Those junkie teen girls are a dime a dozen IMO and about as valuable as a disposable ash tray. I'd rather them be out selling ass on the street for a pimp that beats the shit outta them than living on welfare while cranking out meth babies at the taxpayers' expense. At least this way, they're performing a service and paying their own way. Just my 2ccs.

No dude, they don't exactly file W-2s. They are on welfare on top of prostituting.

 

[tyciol]

Yes, so long as we judge someone informed enough to consent to a sexual act, I see no reason why we should forbid the sale of it. I do think we should regulate it for public safety to some degree like requiring certification and disease testing to give customers safety options.

Another issue is that since men can't abort accidental pregnancies, females should be obligated to support any children they give birth to unless a male voluntarily takes on that responsibility. Rapists should pay all medical fees associated with abortion (then go directly to jail).

Not really. Again, anyone who argues that prostitution is a victimless crime is clearly not seeing reality. As a rule, normal, healthy, well-adjusted individuals do not choose to become prostitutes. I've never understood why anyone would want to have sex with someone for money. Sounds about as much fun to me as moving furniture.

I've often thought about doing it, if I could make a better hourly wage with less taxing and stressful labour. It's just not an option due to it being illegal (plus I'm probably not hot enough to compete).

This statement involves declarations and minimizations of others' character which seems unjustified. If someone wanted to do this work, you're condemning them as abnormal, unhealthy, maladjusted and unfun.

Furthermore, moving furniture is legal, and some people may actually enjoy that line of work.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), in the 1992 Female Juvenile Prostitution: Problem and Response stated:

"MYTH 2 - Prostitution is a victimless crime.

Prostitution creates a setting whereby crimes against men, women, and children become a commercial enterprise.... It is an assault when he/she forces a prostitute to engage in sadomasochistic sex scenes. When a pimp compels a prostitute to submit to sexual demands as a condition of employment, it is exploitation, sexual harassment, or rape -- acts that are based on the prostitute’s compliance rather than her consent. The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution."

1992 - National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC)
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This is slavery masked as prostitution, so what is being protested actually is not prostitution. Protesting it on this grounds would be like protesting working at McDonalds if a crazy manager kidnapped me and chained me to a grill in the back and threatened to whip me if I didn't flip patties and then paid me a paltry sum. That's not the type of employment legitimate prostitution, actual consensual sex work, is supposed to be. Like any kind of employment we should find ways to prevent this kind of exploitation.

Obviously people judged as minors inadequately informed to make sexual choices would not be able to work in that field, any more than we would give a driver's license to one. I wouldn't bar driving for adults if a minor illegally drove and hurt themselves in a car crash...

The Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of the Migrants and Itinerant People, in the June 20-21, 2006 "First International Meeting of Pastoral Care for the Liberation of Women of the Street," wrote:

"Who is the victim?

She is a human being, in many cases crying for help because selling her body on the street is not what she would choose to do voluntarily. She is torn apart, she is dead psychologically and spiritually. Each person has a different story, mainly one of violence, abuse, mistrust, low self esteem, fear, lack of opportunities. Each has experienced deep wounds that need to be healed."

June 20-21, 2006 - Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerant People
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Pastoral care sounds religious in nature. "Spiritually dead" as well. Clearly this is a biased review. It also serves to create the very problem it reports. If you repeat to someone enough that they are "dead inside" they may eventually feel that way. These people are not dead, regardless of whether people tell them they are. Many may experience wounds, psychological stress, but that doesn't mean everyone in the occupation does, at least not moreso than every human experiences these things to some degree in occupations of varying difficulty or life in general.

Joseph Parker, Clinical Director of the Lola Greene Baldwin Foundation, wrote the Aug. 4, 1998 "How Prostitution Works," which stated:

"People who have had luckier lives, as well as those who profit from the sex industry in some way, frequently refer to prostitution and pornography as 'victim-less crimes'. They point to a tiny fraction of sex workers who actually might be involved by choice. They selectively read history to find some tiny minority, somewhere, at some time, who gained something in the sex business.

The very selectiveness of their attention indicates that, on some level, they know that for almost everyone, involvement in the sex industry is a terrible misfortune.

As many an old cop will say, 'Anyone who thinks prostitution is a victimless crime, hasn’t seen it up close.'"

Aug. 4, 1998 - Joseph Parker
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It's not a minority that gains something from prostitution: every prostitute gains something from it. That something is money. Those who do not are not prostitutes, they are sex slaves and that's not something being promoted.

All prostitutes are involved by choice. That's because if you do not choose it, it is not prostitution, it is rape. Rape and slavery are not prostitution. I don't believe anyone infers that this is a dream occupation. Most people would rather not work at all. Most concede to work in something to pay the bills and survive, and they often choose some occupations over others they are unable to do.

Andrew Arena, JD, Special Agent in Charge of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Detroit, was quoted in the Aug. 16, 2006 FBI press release "Halting Human Trafficking: 31 Arrests in Major Prostitution Ring" as having said:

"Illegal prostitution is not a victimless crime. The FBI is part of the apparatus in place to protect people, sometimes even from their own poor choices."

Aug. 16, 2006 - Andrew Arena, JD
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"Protecting from poor choices" is a rather slippery slope to oppressing free will. In fact, interceding on someone's right to choose is exactly that, oppression. I can see some merit in a degree of that (like intervening with heroin addicts whose mental competence is compromised) but if done to excess it becomes especially worrisome since we risk intervening on the choices of informed, sane, clear-minded individuals to make choices in what they do.

No. It should stay illegal and the laws should be inforced. Anyone who states that prostitution is a victimless crime just doesn't have a clue.

This seems to imply that sex is something inherently victimizing?

Veronica Monet, prostitute and author, in a Mar. 26, 2006 interview on the Suicide Girls website, said:

"Most of the brothels do not care about the women who work for them. They care about the clients who are paying them. I don't like legalized brothels. I have nothing against the women that are working in this system but the women who work in legal strip clubs and legal brothels do not benefit from any kind of labor rights."

Mar. 26, 2006
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Anastasia Volkonsky, JD, Founder and former Project Director of Prevention, Referral, Outreach, Mentoring, and Intervention to End Sexual Exploitation (PROMISE), in the Feb. 27, 1995 Insight on the News article "Legalization the 'Profession' Would Sanction the Abuse," wrote:

"Behind the facade of a regulated industry, brothel prostitutes in Nevada are captive in conditions analogous to slavery. Women often are procured for the brothels from other areas by pimps who dump them at the house in order to collect the referral fee. Women report working in shifts commonly as long as 12 hours, even when ill, menstruating or pregnant, with no right to refuse a customer who has requested them or to refuse the sexual act for which he has paid. The dozen or so prostitutes I interviewed said they are expected to pay the brothel room and board and a percentage of their earnings -- sometimes up to 50 percent. They also must pay for mandatory extras such as medical exams, assigned clothing and fines incurred for breaking house rules. And, contrary to the common claim that the brothel will protect women from the dangerous, crazy clients on the streets, rapes and assaults by customers are covered up by the management."

Feb. 27, 1995
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Sounds like a great system to me.

These are obviously bad systems, but that's a problem with how they are regulated, not a problem with prostitution as an occupation. Problems like this have existed in many fields of work in the past. They improve as people recognize problems, governments regulate them better, workers unionize, etc.

The key word here Prince is consent. Prostitution does not include consent.

Prostitution must include consent, where in the etymological study of the word do you get the impression it includes, much less focuses on, involuntary sex? There's a huge difference between prostitution, the renting of sex slaves, or rape compensation.

Just because someone is paid does not take away the fact that they are often being violated, both physically and emotionally.

What about the engage of money for permission to have sex turns it into an emotional and physical violation?

NO ONE has the right to force someone into sex for money.

You can't force someone to do something with money, you force someone to do something with fear or force. Convincing someone to do something for money is called payment, salary. If someone pays me to carry their groceries, I'm not being forced to carry them, I'm choosing to do it for compensation.

This is not about freedom of choice. It is about basic human respect.

Is it impossible to respect a sex worker? I should think that you think highly enough of their skills to compensate them shows a higher respect for it.

I find prostitution disgusting and immoral, and a violation of basic human decency and dignity.

So, is a prostitute who is happy and willing to do such work indecent and lacking dignity?

Society has an obligation to protect its most vulnerable members.

This depends on the source of perceived obligation. I think protecting vulnerable members is a great idea, makes me feel bubbly inside and all that, but that's more of a moral choice. Obligation sounds involuntary, like how we're obligated to do stuff we'd rather not, and protecting others is a joy for many.

Many get into this due to poverty, and outlawing prostitution does not fix the problem of poverty. If you fix that by providing opportunities to become educated, to find other fields of work, then you give prostitutes options to work in other fields if they desire to. This would actually fix the issue of helping those who do not want to work in the field while also not interfering with the free choice of those that still wish to.

Prostitutes have often gone through a long history of sexual molestation and rape before progressing to the point of becoming prostitutes.

This is true. Molestation and rape are bad and we should combat that. Prostitution is not molestation or rape.

Little girls don't dream of growing up and fucking people for money. These are wounded and damaged people, often hopelessly addicted and without viable choices in their lives. Anyone capable of making an informed decision about their own lives would not get involved in the degrading and dehumanizing act of selling their bodies for money.

Since when are you a mind reader? Obviously aspiring to a lot of occupations is not in the dreams of a lot of people early on. We often acquire new dreams and occupational aspirations as we learn more about the world and the world's options. Clearly since children are not told about sex they can't possibly dream to have it, but the same can be said about other unknown things, like being a repo man or a prison guard.

I think it is stereotyping to infer that all of these people are wounded/damaged/addicted/uninformed makes you guilty of the very degradation you're saying is the problem here. With so many people making such sweeping statements insulting prostitutes, it contributes to the problem of their low self esteem.

what so many people don't realize is that it supports a HUGE human trafficking industry. Its bad enough that human trafficking is pretty much active anywhere in the world, but it has gotten so bad in Amsterdam that they are actually trying to limit and even close down window shops.

Sure, women are handed bundles of money for their services, but look beyond that. Most of the time there is a pimp in the background forcing her and coercing with a drug habit he started her on.

I think legalizing prostitution would only make a bad human trafficking issue even worse, therefore I wouldn't support it.

If the drugs are illegal and human slavery and coercion are illegal ( I believe all 3 of these are) then these are the problems, not prostitution.

These issues exist when it is outlawed. If it is legal, it allows prostitutes to more easily seek help from police, to unionize, to protect themselves and their own rights.

When we force these workers outside of the system, that is what makes them vulnerable to the abuse of pimps. Please explain how legalizing it would make the problem worse.

I just have one question. When has declaring anything illegal stoped it from happening?

It doesn't stop things absolutely, but it does tend to decrease things from happening due to the punishment deterrent. I do think prostitution being illegal decreases the amount of prostitution, but that's besides the point here. The ultimate problem is people having sex for unfair compensation with their fees being taken by pimps, with slavery and drug abuse. These are problems that could be better dealt with by having the occupation legal and regulated and protecting worker rights, preventing exploitation and giving access to counseling, cohabitation, and getting rid of the criminal and exploitive element currently dominating it since it exists outside of the system.

Corporations would be a big step in helping combat this. For example, with the distribution of marijuana, if it were legalized, a bunch of competition would spring up, and the criminal element might try to violently suppress competition. But with corporation, honest legal workers could help hire security against violent and oppressive terrorists trying to keep their monopoly.

All women are really prostitutes anyway. Some will give it up for $50, and others it takes a lot more. But, at the end of the day, they're all selling it.

I disagree, some women may like sex and intimacy and pursue it on equal terms without wanting other rewards.

I back up my arguments with the arguments of dozens of others

This doesn't help if these others' arguments are flawed and unsupported in and of themselves.

legalization does not work, and it only serves to make things worse. Organization and regulation only serves to make the problem more widespread, and make human trafficking and indentured servitude more likely.

Why wouldn't regulations help people suffering from indentured servitude? Legal working and proper taxation and records of income seems like they could help to deal with these problems.

We have laws in this country against rape and assault for a reason. Changing the name to prostitution does not change the reality of the situation.

Rape/assault called prostitution is not prostitution. Protesting this as a reason to outlaw actual prostitution is not valid.

That's like saying we should outlaw all sex because sometimes people rape women and say they consented. Or outlaw boxing because sometimes people have street fights and claim the other guy agreed to fight them.

legalization of prostitution does nothing to solve the variety of inherent problems that come with prostitution, legal or not.

What is an inherent problem with prostitution? Keep in mind, inherent means indivisible, as in ALL cases of prostitution comes with this problem. As in, if I chose to prostitute myself to you, I would be unable to avoid this problem.

fighting prostitution is about as worthwhile as the war on drugs, complete waste of time, money and resources, period.

I don't think it's right to say the war on drugs is a COMPLETE waste (though perhaps relatively) of these things. Drug abuse is a social problem that can contribute to mentally unstable individuals at risk to themselves or others, it makes sense to put some effort towards protecting society from it.

 

[tyciol]

I'm going to shorten prostitute to 'whore' for ease of use and monosyllabic equality with pimps. I am familiar it is a pejorative, but to me, I have nothing against whores and I do not look down on them. It's simply ease of reference, moreso than harlot as well.

1. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution is a gift to pimps, traffickers and the sex industry. [/FONT]
2. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution and the sex industry promotes sex trafficking. [/FONT]
3. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not control the sex industry.It expands it. [/FONT]
4. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases clandestine, hidden, illegal and street prostitution. [/FONT]
5. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization of prostitution and decriminalization of the sex Industry increases child prostitution. [/FONT]
6. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not protect the women in prostitution. [/FONT]
7. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution increases the demand for prostitution. It boosts the motivation of men to buy women for sex in a much wider and more permissible range of socially acceptable settings. [/FONT]
8. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not promote women's health. [/FONT]
9. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Legalization/decriminalization of prostitution does not enhance women's choice. [/FONT]
10. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Women in systems of Prostitution do not want the sex industry legalized or decriminalized. [/FONT]

1. Legalization allows whores more venus to escape from the oppression and abuse of pimps. If a pimp assaults a whore they can charge them with assault. While it is illegal they may be in fear of losing their livelihood by getting involved with police. Dignifying sex work dignifes sex workers as legitimate businesswomen themselves.

2. An increase in sex trafficking does not mean the legalization of prostitution caused this. Correlation is not causation. As for people exploiting the system to bring people in illegally or keep them as exploited slaves, that's something that can happen with any line of work, immigrants get exploited in a great deal of occupations not desired by citizens. This is a huge problem to be dealt with, yes, but it is not the fault of prostitution. It's just something that prostitution, like many forms of work, is not immune to.

3. Controlling an industry doesn't mean you must prevent its expansion. Expansion of industry is not an inherent problem. Conversely it is a benefit if those in it benefit from it, which is possible with proper regulation.

4. This is an argument for maintenance of privacy and anonymity with registration, not keeping it illegal. Clearly regulation won't wipe out unregulated industry, but I am skeptical that it would increase when it is lessened by those who switch to legitimate action.

5. There is no such thing as a child prostitute. Legally children can not consent to sex, and therefore they can not consent to sell it. This is a problem of illegal sex, rape and slavery. As for a reported increase: this could be due to better detection methods, or a coincidentation increase. As with 2, correlation is not causation. More reports of rape doesn't mean a place has more rape, it means it has more reports. % of reports and successful convictions varies widely in various places.

6. Pimping and violence from pimping is not intrinsic to prostitution. It is not the point of bordellos to protect from pimp violence, that is the job of the police. The whores should contact the police and press charges. Assault and battery of women is a serious social problem that exists outside of prostitution including women working in 'legitimate' occupations.

7. There is a demand for sex, not a demand for prostitution. Does prostitution increase demand for sex? Clearly legalizing something makes people imbibe in it more. The same can be said of when prohibition was repealed. The problem with this objection is it treats increase in demand as an inherent problem, which it isn't. That would be like saying "if we legalize gum, people will buy more gum!" Women aren't forced to compete by providing unsafe services they do not desire. If a woman doesn't want to have condomless or anal sex she is not obligated to do so, it is her choice, just as it would be her choice to work at McDonalds. Prostitution doesn't require men to think of women as a commodity, they may think of her as a service worker. Many may prefer active participation and cooperation in the act, otherwise using a silicone doll might be preferable. As for protesting occupations where women just lay immobile and look pretty: what is modelling?

Hiring people for a service does not obligate someone to look upon that other person as a subordinate. If I get a massage, I'm not looking at them as subordinate, rather as a skilled professional who provides something I value with competetive excellence.

8. This could be fixed by mandating health checks for clients. Workers can also obligate clients to use protection, much as they can with consensual unpaying partners they may choose to be with. This is a straw man point, regulated prostitution isn't required to leave clients untested.

9. This demeans women as irrational. Make examination of rationality a requirement for working in any field nad we get past this problem. Some people may very well sit down and decide to be a prostitute. This is cognitively distorted thinking that declares women to be mindless and irrational if they make a choice someone disagrees with. This is an unfair way to think that ignores that woman's mind and will.

One may very well say any job is a survival strategy. Few dream of working minimum wage of fast food, yet do so to survive. Why do we not bar these survival strategies? Perhaps because they allow people to survive, and by depriving people of opportunities to survive, we contribute towards their death.

If women don't feel they have other options, what does that leave them? Suicide? The solution here isn't to take away options, but to add them. Combat poverty, give women opportunities for employment, and those who don't want prostitution will choose the alternatives available which they are informed of if they are preferable.

10. I find irony that on one hand, we dismiss the choices and free will of prostitutes, yet on the other, consult their negative opinions. Which is it? Clearly it is also distorted: prostitution does not strip you of your life. You can't prostitute if you are dead. It doesn't strip you of your health, bad living habits and diseases do this. These are correlated, but they are not caused by it. 146 is also a small sample, and they do not explain how legalization would create risks/harm or what those would be. Many professions humiliate people. Fast food isn't exactly a source of pride for many. As for violence, no. Sex is not violence. If people are violent in sex, that is something else, and if a prostitute does not want to be party to it, she can withdraw her consent and end it. There is a difference between 'having to earn money by X' and 'being free to earn money by X'.

Which sex worker union do you speak of which speaks of how to keep women in prostitution? I've never heard of this. Providing alternatives to it is the job of the government and employers and social workers. They can work in tandem with sex worker unions. Indeed, I'm sure they'd be happy to be free of the unwilling competition so that their services would be more highly valued.

Prostitution is about violence, control, manipulation and abuse, not sex. Legalizing criminal acts because it is convenient to do so is not the answer to anything. Might as well legalize assault, rape, child abuse and any and all forms of violence against women because they are all a part of the prostitution industry. That is simply not a solution I am willing to accept.

Sex is not violence. They are separate concepts. A large reason why they invade the industry is because it is an illegal industry. We would be more able to divide these undesirable attributes which have infected it if it were in the open.

 

[icekat003]

Despite what the playboy station says on satallite radio about brothals, I do feel that being a prostitute would damage a woman on both a physical and psychological level. When women act like it is not hurting them emotionally, they are lying to even themselves. You just don't sell your body for money and feel proud at the end of the day. Legalizing it seems like it would somehow support prostitution as a positive and acceptable choice for a woman to make money. In the end, its the woman that is hurt. I think it should remain illegal just to send a message to the young female population that it is not acceptable, even if you are "damaged goods."

 

[KelJu]

Despite what the playboy station says on satallite radio about brothals, I do feel that being a prostitute would damage a woman on both a physical and psychological level. When women act like it is not hurting them emotionally, they are lying to even themselves. You just don't sell your body for money and feel proud at the end of the day. Legalizing it seems like it would somehow support prostitution as a positive and acceptable choice for a woman to make money. In the end, its the woman that is hurt. I think it should remain illegal just to send a message to the young female population that it is not acceptable, even if you are "damaged goods."

What message would that be exactly? I don't know if you are aware, but the legality of prostitution has diddly shit to do with whether a young girl grows up to be the type of person that would sell sex.

"It's illegal you say, oh nevermind. I was going to grow up to fuck skanky guys for a living, but since it's illegal, I guess I'll go to college instead."

 

[Arnold]

"It's illegal you say, oh nevermind. I was going to grow up to fuck skanky guys for a living, but since it's illegal, I guess I'll go to college instead."

lol

 

[tyciol]

Despite what the playboy station says on satallite radio about brothals, I do feel that being a prostitute would damage a woman on both a physical and psychological level. When women act like it is not hurting them emotionally, they are lying to even themselves. You just don't sell your body for money and feel proud at the end of the day. Legalizing it seems like it would somehow support prostitution as a positive and acceptable choice for a woman to make money. In the end, its the woman that is hurt. I think it should remain illegal just to send a message to the young female population that it is not acceptable, even if you are "damaged goods."

Being a whore means having sex and receiving money. Which of these two aspects do you think to be physically damaging? Which of these two things do you think to be psychologically damaging?

What about the combination somehow adds a negative aspect not inherently present in either?

Can injuries occur in any physical occupation? Yes, but that doesn't make it part of it. If a client injures you when you did not agree to be injured, it is either an accident or an assault. Both should be dealt with and reprimanded.

When a woman says something is not hurting her emotionally, it is certainly possible she is hiding her feelings. I think it wrong for someone to assert 'you are lying to yourself' simply because you think you know her mind better than she does. In that case, why don't I just go rape a woman and say "you say you don't want it, but you're just lying to yourself!". Do you see the problem with that kind of thinking? We can posit possibilities, but ultimately it is up for a person to decide how they feel and what they want. If we do this for them, we are oppressing them.

Prostitutes do not sell their bodies: they rent them, as well as renting out their services since in most cases they're not just going to lie their. This is the same as is done in probably the majority of occupations that involve some kind of physical labor.

Who are you to tell people what they are proud of, or what they should or should not feel proud about? Indeed, shaming from others may make it difficult to feel proud, but being proud of your sexuality is possible for anyone. One can feel pride in bringing joy and livelihood to others, indeed this is a big part of many health care occupations.

A message that needs to be sent here is that women are not damaged goods. Bodies can get damaged, yes, but our personalities, our minds, are quite intact. We can have traumatic issues, but we can get past them and be functional and should not look down on ourselves for having past sexual acts that others think are bad, or if others hurt us, because that is their flaw.

"It's illegal you say, oh nevermind. I was going to grow up to fuck skanky guys for a living, but since it's illegal, I guess I'll go to college instead."

Well placed sarcasm, but there is likely a merit of truth to it, in that we do pursue more difficult means of earning money if easier ones aren't available.

 

[Gena Marie]

Prostitution.....should it be legalised?
No....I am not looking for a career change before you ask...

Just pondering about those poor women in Bradford, and the other year in Ipswich- and then going back further to the Yorkshire Ripper and Jack the Ripper and oooh....probably many many more of these women that we don't know about.

Now...I know its not a choice made because its a good option- most ( not all) of the women have drug problems or massive debts and are out on the streets because they feel they have no other choice....but quite obviously they are at the mercy of well......mad men.

Would it not be better to legalise prostitution, make brothels safe places where health checks can be done, condoms easily available and the women work in a place of safety?. Not only that they wouldn't have pimps taking their money and indeed...they could be taxed on their earnings

Because lets face it...its not called 'the oldest profession' for nothing.....its not going to go away is it?

Thoughts?

I fully think it should be legal. If you want to pay for some thing that makes you feel good, or relieves stress, why should that be illegal? Beer makes me feel good and I can buy it anywhere. Our government is so backwards. The $ they could be making by just letting us do what we want to do, maybe we wouldn't be in the debt we are in. What do I know, I am just a tax payer.

 

[david]

How can I make this short and sweet with all the information and researched already provided. I think it should be legal. Too many pros and too many cons. With it being illegal in the U.S. as we know it, there are so many different outlets to sell prostitution from a strip joint, advertised escort agency, massage palor and simply, word of mouth seems to increase and the sale of prostitution is there! I thought with craiglist doing away with the adult services section, there would be a sudden decrease. Now, there is a page rather similar to craigslist that's available. 1/2 of the ads are fake from people pretending to be that person or it's just the cops! So risky! So, why do I think it should be legalized? I'm not sure except for the fact that a person should have a right to make their own decisions, earn a living, etc. and to realize that their are many risks such as diseases and rape.

 

[david]

All women are really prostitutes anyway. Some will give it up for $50, and others it takes a lot more. But, at the end of the day, they're all selling it.

$50? That's must be one "smelly" offer!!!!

 

[emma2train]

Not looking for a new career either but I agree. There should be a level of dignity and safety allowed in every profession, regardless of it's duties.

 

[davidhop]

I think that prostitution should never be legalized. It will be a blow to already doomed society with very less amount of moral values present nowadays.

 

[Big Pimpin]

What's the difference if you spend $50 on drinks to get into a chicks pants or you simply hand her $50 and she drops her pants other than one way is legal and the other is illegal?

 

[david]

What's the difference if you spend $50 on drinks to get into a chicks pants or you simply hand her $50 and she drops her pants other than one way is legal and the other is illegal?

What about the girls that know you have money, kiss your ass and have sex with you and then, you go out, buy her things, give her money, etc.....

 

[KelJu]

I think that prostitution should never be legalized. It will be a blow to already doomed society with very less amount of moral values present nowadays.

If we're already doomed then why does it fucking matter? I'm all for keeping your nose out of other people's business unless they are hurting someone.

 

[Gena Marie]

of course it should be legal, I can go pay for a full body massage, if I want that to include a handjob, felatio or even sex why the fuck does anyone else care? it's my business and the person I am paying for the service, NO ONE has any right to tell two consenting adults they can't have sex, and if one of them is paying the other BIG FUCKING DEAL!

how is porn not prostitution? two or more people are being paid to have sex so it can be filmed, doesn't that make them all prostitutes?

we will never stop prostitution,so make it legal, make prostitutes get monthly check-ups and carry an ID card saying their legal, AND tax it. if they come up positive for a disease they lose their ID and risk getting arrested.

Baby, I fully agree with you. I know there is a moral issue going on here, and I agree with that as well. Who are we to judge? What gives us the right? I never sold my body for $, but I did whatever I needed to do to feed myself and my son. I had no trust fund or enabling family, so I know what it takes to sink or swim. I wasn't a great swimmer, but look at me today. I did what I needed to do to make ends meet. It is just a part of life.

 

[BillHicksFan]

I think that prostitution should never be legalized. It will be a blow to already doomed society with very less amount of moral values present nowadays.

Prostitution has been legal in Australia and most other wealthy countries for decades and nobody gives a fuck. Nobody talks about it. Nobody cares. Do you think the Playboy mansion is filled victims of crime? No, those hookers yearn to make that status. I can't believe the US even bothers criminalizing it as it's the world oldest profession. Legalize it, control it and make it safe for both hooker and client.
End of story.

 

[theCaptn']

whores have been around for ever. Its a service industry. Some women dont even charge money for it.

 

[vortrit]

whores have been around for ever. Its a service industry. Some women dont even charge money for it.

Those are the best kinds. About a year and a half ago I went to a bar and got plastered. Anyway when the bar closed I went to the parking lot this chick started attacking me and we ended up screwing behind the bar right on the ground. I never even got her name...

 

[Big Pimpin]

whores have been around for ever. Its a service industry. Some women dont even charge money for it.

 

[Gena Marie]

Those are the best kinds. About a year and a half ago I went to a bar and got plastered. Anyway when the bar closed I went to the parking lot this chick started attacking me and we ended up screwing behind the bar right on the ground. I never even got her name...

Hopefully you slipped one on before you slipped it in. If not, you might want to get your shit checked out. Just saying...