Obama Rejects Latest GOP Spending Bill as Government Shutdown Looms

[maniclion]

I don't really give a fuck. And I don't see how it's my problem to make sure they are supportrd on my tax dollars.

My father came to this country with 300 dollars in his pocket and didn't even speak the language. He managed to put himself through school while working as a mechanic, and became an electronic test engineer. I've got no sympathy for people who are either too lazy or too incompetent to make a better life for themselves. If they are really that bad off, they can always enlist. Uncle Sugar is always looking for new boots.

In other words, "Cry me a River."

What about the soldier who got shrapnel in his ass and is suffering from PTSD, but was conveniently discharged for a Personality Disorder and now can't get a decent job, still suffers from his condition, isn't able to get the treatment he needs, and so on...just fuck'em right and the mother trying to raise her four kids after her husband died in "a training accident" in Iraq....

My brother is a lazy no good crankhead and he was denied welfare because he is lazy and refuses to work, the system can smell the stinkers so don't assume that everyone who needs assistance is just freeloading....

 

[M4A3]

you may want to read a little more because the "they" I am talking about is about 1/3 of the US population that gets paid a low skilled labor wage...

and yes the old tire conservative excuse about the poor all being lazy or incompetent maybe used to fly but once you involve monetary policy and the intermingling of government and for profit business all the class economic theory's no longer apply.

What about the soldier who got shrapnel in his ass and is suffering from PTSD, but was conveniently discharged for a Personality Disorder and now can't get a decent job, still suffers from his condition, isn't able to get the treatment he needs, and so on...just fuck'em right and the mother trying to raise her four kids after her husband died in "a training accident" in Iraq....

My brother is a lazy no good crankhead and he was denied welfare because he is lazy and refuses to work, the system can smell the stinkers so don't assume that everyone who needs assistance is just freeloading....

 

[LAM]

try reading world history all this has happened before. you may also want to look at the incomes of red states vs blue states and which states get the most federal aid...it's the red "conservative" states that don't have any money...lol

I will find it most comical when many of you "conservatives" find your-self's on the receiving end of your own spear...

 

[ALBOB]

try reading world history and comparing the incomes of red states vs blue states...it's the red states that don't have any money...lol
..

When did New York and California become red states???

 

[M4A3]

try reading world history all this has happened before. you may also want to look at the incomes of red states vs blue states and which states get the most federal aid...it's the red "conservative" states that don't have any money...lol

I will find it most comical when many of you "conservatives" find your-self's on the receiving end of your own spear...

It's not worth even arguing with you; you are delusional.

Calif. delegation to visit Texas, study job growth

(04-06) 16:26 PDT Sacramento, Calif. (AP) --

A Republican-led group of California lawmakers announced Wednesday they will head to Texas next week with Democratic Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom to hear from businesses that left the state about ways to encourage job creation.

GOP Assemblyman Dan Logue, who is leading the delegation, said the two-day trip is not intended to bash California but rather to examine how Texas has been able to lure companies in recent years.

Texas has added 165,000 jobs during the past three years while California has lost 1.2 million jobs, he said.

"We want to sit down with these businesses that could not stay in our state and find out why they left, what caused them to pick up their family, their roots, and move to another state in order to compete, in order to grow their businesses," Logue told reporters during a Capitol news conference.

Calif. delegation to visit Texas, study job growth

The 2011-12 Budget: California's Fiscal Outlook

Are you fucking kidding me? LMAO!

 

[Zaphod]

I don't really give a fuck.

Of course you don't. You're under the impression that somebody else is trying to steal from you. You're a weak minded individual who will believe whatever it is the political douchebags tell you. The joke is on you because they are laughing all the way to the bank because they have you bamboozled. They are taking from everyone and trying to pawn it off as the guy next door taking it all.

Who gives a shit your father came here with $300 in his pocket? Back when he came here people were far more giving of themselves and were willing to give him a job and an opportunity to better himself. Now we have braindead assholes, like yourself, believing that people, like your father was back in the day, are nothing but freeloaders.

 

[LAM]

When did New York and California become red states???

you know I was referring to the traditional red and blue states not just the results of the last presidential election cycle.

the conservative right to work states don't fare well overall in any category, they also get the most federal aid...so they may not want to bite the hand that feeds them

 

[M4A3]

Of course you don't. You're under the impression that somebody else is trying to steal from you. You're a weak minded individual who will believe whatever it is the political douchebags tell you. The joke is on you because they are laughing all the way to the bank because they have you bamboozled. They are taking from everyone and trying to pawn it off as the guy next door taking it all.

Who gives a shit your father came here with $300 in his pocket? Back when he came here people were far more giving of themselves and were willing to give him a job and an opportunity to better himself. Now we have braindead assholes, like yourself, believing that people, like your father was back in the day, are nothing but freeloaders.

Socialism Is Evil

by Walter E. Williams

http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/04/socialism.html

What is socialism? We miss the boat if we say it's the agenda of those left-wingers and Democrats. According to Marxist doctrine, socialism is a stage of society between capitalism and communism where private ownership and control over property is eliminated. The essence of socialism is the attenuation and ultimate abolition of private property rights. Attacks on private property include, but are not limited to, confiscating the rightful property of one person and giving it to another to whom it doesn't belong. When this is done privately we call it theft. When it's done collectively we use the euphemisms: income transfers or redistribution. It's not just left-wingers and Democrats who call for and admire socialism but right-wingers and Republicans as well.

Republicans and right-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to farmers, banks, airlines and other failing businesses. Democrats and left-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to poor people, cities, and artists. Both agree on taking one American's earnings to give to another; they simply differ on the recipients. This kind of congressional activity constitutes at least two-thirds of the federal budget.

Regardless of the purpose such behavior is immoral. It's a reduced form of slavery. After all what is the essence of slavery? It's the forceful use of one person to serve the purposes of another person. When Congress, through the tax code, takes the earnings of one person and turns around to give it to another person in the forms of prescription drugs, social security, food stamps, farm subsidies or airline bailouts, it is forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another.

The moral question stands out in starker relief when we acknowledge that those spending programs coming out of Congress do not represent lawmakers reaching into their own pockets and sending out the money. Moreover, there's no Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus giving them the money. The fact that government has no resources of its very own forces us to acknowledge that the only way government can give one American a dollar is to first through intimidation, threats and coercion take that dollar from some other American.

Some might rejoin that all of this is a result of a democratic process and it's legal. Legality alone is no guide for a moral people. There are many things in this world that have been, or are, legal but clearly immoral. Slavery was legal. Did that make it moral? South Africa's apartheid, Nazi persecution of Jews, Stalinist and Maoist purges were all legal but did that make them moral?

Can a moral case be made for taking the rightful property of one American and giving it to another to whom it does not belong? I think not. That's why socialism is evil. It uses evil means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people). We might also note that an act that is inherently evil does not become moral simply because there's a majority consensus.

An argument against legalized theft should not be construed as an argument against helping one's fellow man in need. Charity is a noble instinct; theft legal or illegal is despicable. Or, put another way: reaching into one's own pocket to assist his fellow man is noble and worthy of praise. Reaching into another person's pocket to assist one's fellow man is despicable and worthy of condemnation.

For the Christians among us, socialism and the welfare state must be seen as sinful. When God gave Moses the commandment "Thou shalt not steal", I'm sure He didn't mean thou shalt not steal unless there's a majority vote. And, I'm sure that if you asked God if it's okay just being a recipient of stolen property, He would deem that a sin as well.

Walter E. Williams
C16-04
July 26, 2004

 

[LAM]

Socialism Is Evil

and believing that the markets are still free and that once the evil "government" is reduced that everyone will magically make money and be prosperous is pure delusion....

 

[M4A3]

and believing that the markets are still free and that once the evil "government" is reduced that everyone will magically make money and be prosperous is pure delusion....

I don't believe that all people would be prosperous were that to happen.

But I do believe that people with any drive to succeed, or any potential to elevate themselves, would be much better off without the government digging into their pockets, and without the dregs of society latched onto their tit.

We'll never agree on this issue, and that's fine. You probably grew up on government assistance, and hence, your bias. I hope that government cheese tasted good.

 

[Dale Mabry]

When did New York and California become red states???

I think he is referring to how many federal tax dollars the states get for every dollar they put in. 18 out of the 28 blue states including New York and California get less than a dollar back for every dollar they put in while Texas is the only red state that gets less than they put in at $0.96.

red state, blue state, welfare state, subsidizing state « scatterplot

 

[LAM]

We'll never agree on this issue, and that's fine. You probably grew up on government assistance, and hence, your bias. I hope that government cheese tasted good.

nope..grew up in a 10k sq foot house with a gas pump next to the garage on 6 acres in valley forge, pa..where did you grow up?

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

I don't believe that all people would be prosperous were that to happen.

But I do believe that people with any drive to succeed, or any potential to elevate themselves, would be much better off without the government digging into their pockets, and without the dregs of society latched onto their tit.

We'll never agree on this issue, and that's fine. You probably grew up on government assistance, and hence, your bias. I hope that government cheese tasted good.

How about we adopt complete "socialism".
And equalize all the money across the board.

That way everyone can stop chasing the carrot on a stick in front of their faces.

Nothing's worth accomplishing. Lets just all be happy and share.

 

[M4A3]

nope..grew up in a 10k sq foot house with a gas pump next to the garage on 6 acres in valley forge, pa..where did you grow up?

If true, it's not uncommon. There are plenty of Hollywood types, who are filthy rich, yet total commies. I still believe you've tasted the government cheese more than once in your life though. LOL.

 

[ALBOB]

I think he is referring to how many federal tax dollars the states get for every dollar they put in. 18 out of the 28 blue states including New York and California get less than a dollar back for every dollar they put in while Texas is the only red state that gets less than they put in at $0.96.

red state, blue state, welfare state, subsidizing state « scatterplot

Oh I know exactly what he was saying. It's just that these arguments get so tiresome and boring. They accomplish nothing. I'm just being snarky at this point.

 

[irish_2003]

Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose your job. Recovery is when Obama loses his job.

 

[Glycomann]

If true, it's not uncommon. Plenty of Hollywood types who are filthy rich, yet total commies. I still believe you've tasted the government cheese more than once in your life though. LOL.

You're pretty repugnant. Wake up. Your idol Glen Beck just got his ass canceled. Your heroes on the right attached legislation to the latest 2011 budget prop to cut funding to the EPA, jack around Gitmo and cut fed funding to Planned Parenthood. All these are obviously poison pills designed to make it impossible for Dems to vote for. Your Republican heros always begin their replies to any question with "the American people want" which is a horse shit misleading statement designed for fucktards to nod in agreement to whilst drooling into their drool bucket. Tell your granny that she needs to give up her social security check since you feel so adamantly against anything with the word social in it. Another one of your heros, Ayn Rand, railed against regulation of big tobacco, Social Security and Medicare all the way up to the day she found out she had lung cancer from her 4 pack a day life long habit. At that point she quickly signed up for Medicare. What a wonderful pack of nut-jobs you all have for idols.

 

[Glycomann]

Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose your job. Recovery is when Obama loses his job.

Brilliant! Did you spend $20 for the T-shirt?

 

[irish_2003]

Brilliant! Did you spend $20 for the T-shirt?

no, just reposting from another place because i agree with it

 

[Glycomann]

no, just reposting from another place because i agree with it

You probably think time started when Obama swore in. You want to blame people for the financial straits we are in blame the banks and their Ponzi schemes not the guy that got the pail of shit dumped on his head.

 

[irish_2003]

You probably think time started when Obama swore in. You want to blame people for the financial straits we are in blame the banks and their Ponzi schemes not the guy that got the pail of shit dumped on his head.

what is the statute of limitations for the democratic party and it's chronies to accept responsibility for their mistakes and stop blaming Bush? that's really what you're saying without mentioning names......and if Bush was wrong, then why is Barry Hussein "flip flopping" or as Alan Colmes says "comprising" in almost every decision he's made recently?

 

[Glycomann]

what is the statute of limitations for the democratic party and it's chronies to accept responsibility for their mistakes and stop blaming Bush? that's really what you're saying without mentioning names......and if Bush was wrong, then why is Barry Hussein "flip flopping" or as Alan Colmes says "comprising" in almost every decision he's made recently?

Your republican collegues wasted no time at all blaming the whole of the impending recession on Obama even before he took the oath. Are you really trying to deflect the fact that your party is completely and wholly dishonest? You must have a pretty short memory. Bush was a BIIIIIIIIIIGGGG spender. Under his watch an 800 billion Medicare drug entitlement that stripped the HHS of the capacity to bargin for drug prices greatly increasing cost over time. He also added Dept of Home Land Security funded at 50 billion a year. He suspended Davis-Bacon indefineitely after Katrina draining those stated of wealth. he contracted out military responsibilities at about and average of 600% the cost.

Your wonderful Republicans wasted no time in repeal of the Glass???Steagall Act in 1999 with their Senate Majority, which lead to the huge increase in the Ponzi scheme derivatives market that caused the collapse of the housing market and resultant near financial collapse. You want me to go on about your wonderful party and how they have fucked you willingly out of your country?

 

[Zaphod]

what is the statute of limitations for the democratic party and it's chronies to accept responsibility for their mistakes and stop blaming Bush? that's really what you're saying without mentioning names......and if Bush was wrong, then why is Barry Hussein "flip flopping" or as Alan Colmes says "comprising" in almost every decision he's made recently?

Here's a little secret the republicans are keeping from you: THEY ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY LET ALONE YOU. THEY ARE IN THE POCKETS OF BIG BUSINESS.

When we get boned big business is raking in the bucks. The only trickle down is what business trickles into the pockets of the politicians.

 

[bandaidwoman]

Your republican collegues wasted no time at all blaming the whole of the impending recession on Obama even before he took the oath. Are you really trying to deflect the fact that your party is completely and wholly dishonest? You must have a pretty short memory. Bush was a BIIIIIIIIIIGGGG spender. Under his watch an 800 billion Medicare drug entitlement that stripped the HHS of the capacity to bargin for drug prices greatly increasing cost over time. He also added Dept of Home Land Security funded at 50 billion a year. He suspended Davis-Bacon indefineitely after Katrina draining those stated of wealth. he contracted out military responsibilities at about and average of 600% the cost.

Your wonderful Republicans wasted no time in repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act in 1999 with their Senate Majority, which lead to the huge increase in the Ponzi scheme derivatives market that caused the collapse of the housing market and resultant near financial collapse. You want me to go on about your wonderful party and how they have fucked you willingly out of your country?

Medicare Part D is the biggest socialized program since Medicare.

The latter was a democratic invention, the former a republican.

Not that anyone cares but the huge impending 30% cuts to physicians who take Medicare is due the the Balanced Budget Act ( sustainability act passed by repubs) so it could pay for this monstrosity of a social program (since they promised not to raise taxes to pay for it.) That would be fine but the private plans have already told docs they will cut their fees correspondingly unless they don't take medicare. The former is doing it because they are running out of money, the private insurers are doing it because they are greedy sons of bitches and since it is a monopoly ( not true free market) they can do whatever the hell they want.

 

[bandaidwoman]

try reading world history all this has happened before. you may also want to look at the incomes of red states vs blue states and which states get the most federal aid...it's the red "conservative" states that don't have any money...lol

I will find it most comical when many of you "conservatives" find your-self's on the receiving end of your own spear...

Many of my small business owners ( are also republicans) have their children on peachcare for kids ( georgia's socialized insurance program) since they can't afford the premiums for their children's insurance. Many now who are without a job ( staunch repubs who were construction workers etc.) now all want me to put them on social security for their "back pain" so they can draw a social security check since they no longer have a job.
Reminds me of Ann Ryand who dipped heavily into social security and medicare when she found out that true individual responsibility ( libertarian view which she is) for medical bills when something catastrophic happens ( her lung cancer) is almost impossible, even for a mildly wealthy individual like her. ( she said she had to to avoid depleting all the funds from the proceeds of her books. ) I guess she forgot medicare decreased geriatric poverty by 80% once it was implemented.

 

[oufinny]

Medicare Part D is the biggest socialized program since Medicare.

The latter was a democratic invention, the former a republican.

Not that anyone cares but the huge impending 30% cuts to physicians who take Medicare is due the the Balanced Budget Act ( sustainability act passed by repubs) so it could pay for this monstrosity of a social program (since they promised not to raise taxes to pay for it.) That would be fine but the private plans have already told docs they will cut their fees correspondingly unless they don't take medicare. The former is doing it because they are running out of money, the private insurers are doing it because they are greedy sons of bitches and since it is a monopoly ( not true free market) they can do whatever the hell they want.

The system is broke, no question about that. The doctors screwed themselves a while back when they got greedy with the insurance companies, now the insurers are getting back at them because they can (and its not a fair marketplace). Long story short, open the market up and remove state boundaries so there is competition to force insurers to be competitive. This will help bridge the gap between medicare payments and those that are paid by insurers. And if there is tort reform for medical malpractice, doctors won't be paying half their wages to, wait for it, insurance companies yet again. Can we call that a total catch 22 if you are a doctor? Yes we can!

 

[oufinny]

It's not worth even arguing with you; you are delusional.

Calif. delegation to visit Texas, study job growth

(04-06) 16:26 PDT Sacramento, Calif. (AP) --

A Republican-led group of California lawmakers announced Wednesday they will head to Texas next week with Democratic Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom to hear from businesses that left the state about ways to encourage job creation.

GOP Assemblyman Dan Logue, who is leading the delegation, said the two-day trip is not intended to bash California but rather to examine how Texas has been able to lure companies in recent years.

Texas has added 165,000 jobs during the past three years while California has lost 1.2 million jobs, he said.

"We want to sit down with these businesses that could not stay in our state and find out why they left, what caused them to pick up their family, their roots, and move to another state in order to compete, in order to grow their businesses," Logue told reporters during a Capitol news conference.

Calif. delegation to visit Texas, study job growth

The 2011-12 Budget: California's Fiscal Outlook

Are you fucking kidding me? LMAO!

You want to know how TX did it... being that I live here, I am qualified to comment and was laid off not all that long ago. Easy, if you want un-employment, the rules are strict and you don't get it for long. Second, companies cost structures are very low because there is no state income tax. Third, in cities like Houston, there is a diverse industry base so people can transfer to a new field relatively easy. We have energy, technology, manufacturing, huge health care industry, entertainment, so much that even with upwards of 5 million people, unemployment here during the worst of 2009 was under 9% if memory serves. That is good that people in CA are swallowing their pride and looking outside of the state, that is what legislators are paid to do, solve problems and make sensible laws. If they didn't do something like that, it would be much more questionable because in my eyes, they aren't doing their job.

 

[Glycomann]

Medicare Part D is the biggest socialized program since Medicare.

The latter was a democratic invention, the former a republican.

Not that anyone cares but the huge impending 30% cuts to physicians who take Medicare is due the the Balanced Budget Act ( sustainability act passed by repubs) so it could pay for this monstrosity of a social program (since they promised not to raise taxes to pay for it.) That would be fine but the private plans have already told docs they will cut their fees correspondingly unless they don't take medicare. The former is doing it because they are running out of money, the private insurers are doing it because they are greedy sons of bitches and since it is a monopoly ( not true free market) they can do whatever the hell they want.

Medicare D was primarily pushed by Billy Tauzin a Republican since 1995.

 

[bandaidwoman]

i dont consider docs greedy, most of us can make a lot more working 90 plus hours a week with our level of education elsewhere ( like my roomate the coorparte lawyer from college). We dont want todeal with medical insurance companies anymore. most us want a single payer so we can go back to being doctors, not led by the collar by insurance companies. \ Look at new england journal, archives of IM etc.
http://www.pnhp.org/news/1999/march/majority_57_of_ac.php
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2004/02.12/09-singlepayer.html
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080806/OPINION/808060352
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2011/03/22-21


I can decrease my staff from 45 to 12 if we only had to deal with medicare or a single payer, australia, new zealand and my home countery ( very capitalistic and still providing health care fee for service as private employees under a national health insurance plan) taiwan.


my salary as a doc is pitiful (i'm primary care and if you average my salary for the time worked per week I make less per hour than my Physicans assistant who only works 40 hours a week) , my salary from owning coorporate rental spaces to those that have survived recession is what gives me my nice cushy salary. For the record, how is giving those of us making over 250 grand more of a tax break going to create jobs? Those of us in this strata aren't big spenders, I'd just take that tax break and invest it in my daughter's college fund, not hire more employees or go out and buy a luxury car. We have a saying, I always wanted a BMW until I could afford one.

the insurance lobbiests make sure it will never be a free market. They don't lower prices when demand is less , they raise them, patients are not smart consumers, they purchase a health care plan like kaiser because cheap meds and internet access, but then when they get really sick and need a million dollar bone marrow transplant they get dumped into the public system for the treatment, they have to provide a return to their stockholders and share holders, so they ration based on purely economic and contractile decisions. there needs to me more government regulation to prevent their future consolidation into more monopolies but that is socialism, the insruance companies are the new robber barons.

if i wanted pure capitalistic free market where humans have no collective bargaining power and pollution is rampant in our drinking waters and air for the sake of coorporate profitablility i would have stayed in china,

 

[M4A3]

You're pretty repugnant. Wake up. Your idol Glen Beck

I stopped right there and didn't read any further. I hate Glenn Beck. And I hate the GOP.

They are no better than the Dems. Well, not by much. They both want to reach into my pocket and take my money for all kinds of social welfare and pork projects.

I hate Sarah Palin. She's a moron and not fit to lead a girl scout troop, let alone a country. I hate Obama, just the same.

I hate Glenn Beck, just as I hate Bill Mahr.

You have my political philosophy fucked up. For me it isn't left or right that makes the difference. True, I despise the Left for their need to try and ban guns, tax me more, and for their repugnant hippy hygene, but I hate the right too. They are no friend of freedom. I have no need for people intruding into others bedrooms, telling them who they can marry, or those who would legislate into law that a woman cannot to abort their fetus. I think abortion is disgusting, but it doesn't affect me in anyway (well, to be fair, it probably saves me some tax dollars... less kids on welfare.)

I want Government to leave me alone. Let me keep the majority of what I earn (minus a nominal percentage for national defense and maintenance of critical infrastructure), and leave everyone else to take care of themselves.

Look... I'm not heartless. I fully believe in charity, and helping your fellow man. But it should be of your own volition, and not forced by government coercion.