Question for z experts: possible bad gear

[Uncle Z.]

Ok guys- we just did this over on another board. The guy ( poster) was taking watson for HRT and had stopped for quite awhile. His base reading was around 225 and when he was on the watson pharmacy cyp he was around 500, 100 mg per week only. So- he went and had his blood drawn and came back with a 225 for his baseline( pinning none). After only 4 weeks- he went back and he was pinning 125 mg weekly of Zline cyp. His levels were aroung 650 ish. Ok- this was his and the thread and is over on Elite. Hope I don't get in trouble for posting about another board- but thought it needed. His name is like hatter. I followed the thread and communicated very closely as I was running mine also. Set a baseline-I was very low-Doctor thought I was taking Watson or Teva and I started ZDom. My levels shot up like a rocket. I also measured in the ditch -so as not to get readings that were too high. But- they came in high anyway as I subQ rather than IM all the time. I do blood at my doctor and at a private anylabtest.com in person. I don't send it in. My point being that I have taken the time to do this and also have been in conatct with others - and have proved beyond a doubt that Z s gear is extremely good.I don't know what this guys tests are- and I will watch and see- but this is nothing new as many of us have done this before and Z gaer came through with flying colors to say the least !!I gave approx numbers to that other thread- but if you look at it, you will get the jest of it. Z also gave free gaer out over there for the doubter/ haters to test and they had to eat crow after talking trash. Note- I also tested my blood after using some other gear from different vendors- many failed- some passed. Z and a couple of others were in the GTG colum and that is why I am here as a Z fan. Sorry about my lame ass spelling and sentence structure- several of you guys know me and i don't type worth a shit. That is my story and can assure you that I have tseted just about every vendor out there. Z was at the top. Thanks for reading- take a peek at that thrad and is more descrptive than me teling it. I didn't just strat buying gaer and pinning- I actually tested to see which was the most efective for me. And i contiue to test and keep folks awre. Enough said-Z is the REAL DEAL

I sent 6 of my dom products to 6 random board members for test coz I was fed up with strange complains on my dom gear (especially when some part of my dom oils is in a fact my inter oil!)
but I asked my dom to send domestic juice to this 6 members to check the results
At the same time pere84 emailed me with his problem..

So far results which this people have are showing that my dom is not just cooking oil but pure juice


Why pere84 result was negative... don't know but having results form this one guy who did his test and got good results I don't have no grounds to not to believe in my dom juice...

Will you ... it's up to you really

z.

 

[ordawg1]

I missed out on free 20ml jugs of DOM by like one fucking post. But-I followed this thread that Z is talking about very carefuly and also throgh PMs etc. Then-I ordered my own Z Dom as I wanted to see what all this bashng was about too.My bloodwork and ZDom passed with flying colors with all. The haters crawled back into their holes- and appaer again and again to bash. Ever wonder why ? You figure it out. One thing I was pissed about is I didn't get the free gaer-I BOUGHT mine. Hey Z- my gaer is no good- I went to Walmart and had my blood checked- it says I am a moron- must ne your gear- I want a freebie. Wow

 

[Evil Eagle]

Z is my favorite uncle and out of all the sponsers, him and world pharma stand tall above anyone else.

Personally, I don't know why anyone would order from places other than these two.

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[Jasonshane]

I was talking to Z about this guy after seeing something like ordwag and J84 has mentione
d.

By the way - great job guys - breaking this down - the whole thing just didn't seem right.

After discussions with Z - I can promise you guys one very important subject with Z - if there EVER are any issues - he wants to know.

It's very simple - so he can take ownership - and correct it.

This is why (IMO) - he publicly asks for honest reviews from current and potential customers - you just don't do this UNLESS you have the product to back it up.

Honest reviews - the truth - it has a nice ring doesn't it ... "go figure."

This is exactly why stand behind Z and his products - I'm not a rep - just one very loyal customer - who's getting to be one BIG MO-FO because of our good friend Z.

And all my good buddies here at the forum!

As always Z - if I'm ever wrong at all - "please correct me."

I had a problem with my dbol and I have to say z got on it like a fly on shit lol.he emailed me right away and is fixing it right as we speak.zzz also good in my book.

 

[ordawg1]

Thanks for the report - that is what we are here for. Z takes care of us with great gear !!

 

[whitemike370]

Z is my favorite uncle and out of all the sponsers, him and world pharma stand tall above anyone else.

Personally, I don't know why anyone would order from places other than these two.

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world-pharma is soooooooooo overpriced i dont know how people even order from them at all.

 

[pere84]

if i have never smoked pot before, then i smoke pot one night, then i take a piss test the next day will it show? or is the pot test designed to test for buildup of the drug over time, not just one use. What im saying is u took a test after 3 weeks of use of Deca, the excretion time for Nandrolone decanate (deca) is 21 days for it to metabolize and become a recognizable metabolite as waste (in urine). u said u were on it for 3 weeks, well then we have to look at your injection doses and frequency spacing. other anabolic substances may induce the walgreens test to fail in seeing the deca, and i still wanna know if the 3 weeks u were on it is = 21 days. The only thing i can suggest is that u take another test after the 4-5th weeks, but u said u discontinued use so u may have to restart your cycle. my chemistry may be rusty but i think im close to this point.

It was after the 3rd week. Said around 3 wks because I just finished my 3rd week. So yes 21 days. I was taking 375 a wk. Once a week and 500/wk of test c.

 

[Jasonshane]

if i have never smoked pot before, then i smoke pot one night, then i take a piss test the next day will it show? or is the pot test designed to test for buildup of the drug over time, not just one use. What im saying is u took a test after 3 weeks of use of Deca, the excretion time for Nandrolone decanate (deca) is 21 days for it to metabolize and become a recognizable metabolite as waste (in urine). u said u were on it for 3 weeks, well then we have to look at your injection doses and frequency spacing. other anabolic substances may induce the walgreens test to fail in seeing the deca, and i still wanna know if the 3 weeks u were on it is = 21 days. The only thing i can sugyes it will show gest is that u take another test after the 4-5th weeks, but u said u discontinued use so u may have to restart your cycle. my chemistry may be rusty but i think im close to this point.

yes it will show on the test results

 

[pere84]

test c was twice at 250mg

 

[hoyle21]

is this being worked on? Curious to how it turned out. Why dont you post some pics of the gear.

 

[ordawg1]

I am not knocking your test- but mine are done at a lab and I get the entire panel back showing all ranges of my test levels ( free) etc etc. This test was urine only ? Not sure exactly how they screen.I would carefuly study your regimen ( I calendar and log mine) and go to a real lab and have it done. I don't know where you are located- but that is how I do it. Or- does the test results have all the levels and I am just not seeing in the attchment ?

 

[pere84]

The test only shows levels if it comes back positive. Took it once before with deca from another source. It showed levels. Otherwise just reads negative. Oh and as for my walmart bloodtest, it didnt read your a moron. Your spelling did that for you. lol

 

[pere84]

Im also glad to hear z is taking care of JasonShane. My post started off as just a question. But after being hammered, especially by ordawg1, it leads to beieve someones been posting from under Z's desk. Seriously could you be any further up his a**. Still not bashing you Z. If I had someone blowing me 24/7, I'd be happy too.

 

[ordawg1]

URINE vs BLOOD

Hopefuly you got my PM pere84 ? Basicaly if you do a google serach on blood vs urine for testosterone- you will find that urine can show you low and blood can show high. I run my labs with blood and I trust that. If I was doing a simple screen for drugs ( opiates etc) the urine you are doing is probably fine.Most of the guys here- or HRT guys want to see their whole panel- lipids - test etc.I run the entire panel 4 tmes or even 5 per year. But-i run the male hormone test ( blood) whenever I am testing gear . It is worth it to me. I like to know my sources. Guys like D and anabolic know FAR more than I do. If I have questions - I alawys PM and ask these guys- they are the pros. I am just an old " never was" . But- I am careful with my testing- diet and gear. On the other hand- I can see where you had trust in that test from prior " substance" ? testing perhaps ? Just trying to give you some useful info- not saying you don't have a valid point- but you might check your protocol-Thanks

 

[ordawg1]

Im also glad to hear z is taking care of JasonShane. My post started off as just a question. But after being hammered, especially by ordawg1, it leads to beieve someones been posting from under Z's desk. Seriously could you be any further up his a**. Still not bashing you Z. If I had someone blowing me 24/7, I'd be happy too.

Sorry you took that as bashing, I sent you a link- please study or read above post ^^^ Thank You

 

[pere84]

Barely got it man. Appreciate it. Its all good. Ill look into it. Thanks for the info.

 

[CobraNinja]

i'd spend my $ on bloodwork, not sum piss test over the counter generic test. i advice the OP to redo the test with an actual Lab with bloodwork. and DECA is detecable for 6 months, so if u have past the 21 days mark for initial excretion, then u should redo the test and post results. if u dont then how can we believe u. u arent working this out with Z thru email, becuz u wanted the rest of us to see, probly becuz u want us to not buy Z-Deca, and so without bloodwork/zline pics how can we know for sure, u want us to have faith in your words? i've seen shit that costs more than $800 and a hell of a lot more convincing that it doesnt work, whatever that may be, and yet it works. so even if u post labwork or whatever, u really want us to believe u?
what are u after:
free gear?
us to not buy from Z?
something doesnt smell right here....

 

[ordawg1]

Barely got it man. Appreciate it. Its all good. Ill look into it. Thanks for the info.

And my apoligies for my spelling- I am actually legally blind ( tumours) - I do my best- hope my info helps-Thanks

 

[WendysBaconator]

OP get a blood test , thatll do some convincing.

 

[hoyle21]

I think we all understand that shit happens. I think he should get the blood work done, and post the results. If it is still bunk than Z should make it right. From what I understand it will be taken care of.

 

[pere84]

Yeah I agree. I think next step is bloodwork. And I will post results. For those who gave me honest advice, thank you. I appreciate all the help. As for CobraNinja, I dont care what you spend your money on. You can give your whole paycheck to Z for all I care. I came on here for advice and help. Not for freebies. And not to convince u. I have been dealing with Z through email. Thats why I came on here to find more about tests. As for Z, he did me right as far as my order time and communication. I just wanna get to the bottom of whats wrong. Either the gear or my test.

 

[J84]

Yeah I agree. I think next step is bloodwork. And I will post results. For those who gave me honest advice, thank you. I appreciate all the help. As for CobraNinja, I dont care what you spend your money on. You can give your whole paycheck to Z for all I care. I came on here for advice and help. Not for freebies. And not to convince u. I have been dealing with Z through email. Thats why I came on here to find more about tests. As for Z, he did me right as far as my order time and communication. I just wanna get to the bottom of whats wrong. Either the gear or my test.

yeah blood work would be the best way to find out. Great post bro and good luck, keep us updated.

 

[pere84]

Will do. Thanks man

 

[ordawg1]

Yeah I agree. I think next step is bloodwork. And I will post results. For those who gave me honest advice, thank you. I appreciate all the help. As for CobraNinja, I dont care what you spend your money on. You can give your whole paycheck to Z for all I care. I came on here for advice and help. Not for freebies. And not to convince u. I have been dealing with Z through email. Thats why I came on here to find more about tests. As for Z, he did me right as far as my order time and communication. I just wanna get to the bottom of whats wrong. Either the gear or my test.

This will be very good. Researching your test ( kit) was very interesting indeed. I do not know where you live- but around here are several places that do the male hormone panels and is less expesnive than the kit you purchased.By now I am sure you have read much on this " testing" and the differances betwen blood and urine- plus the time of day- and the time between your injects or orals. I have prescription test ( watson/ teva cyp) and there are times that I feel like it is low and ends up being sky high. But-I can see why you were scratching your head trying to figure what was going on.The guys here are a great bunch and Z is the best of the best. Will be interesting to test the test as I have had to do this myself. Good Luck and keep us posted- it is something we are very interested in. BTW-once again- sorry for my spelling- seeing throgh one eye is a bitch and most here used to it. It is hell to get old- Luck on ya

 

[pere84]

Thanks ordawg1. Appreciate the info. And sorry about the spelling comment. Just got a little heated. Thanks again and will post results

 

[ordawg1]

Z Team is all gtg

Thanks ordawg1. Appreciate the info. And sorry about the spelling comment. Just got a little heated. Thanks again and will post results

No worries- all is good, just trying to help and I know my typing and spelling sucks. Lost the sight in one eye to cancer ( tumors) years ago. Many times good things come out of this exchange- lots of good guys here and we ceratinly are glad to have you with us

 

[WendysBaconator]

No worries- all is good, just trying to help and I know my typing and spelling sucks. Lost the sight in one eye to cancer ( tumors) years ago. Many times good things come out of this exchange- lots of good guys here and we ceratinly are glad to have you with us

Im sorry to hear that brother. My girlfriend just recently got a tumor removed from her intestines.

 

[ordawg1]

Im sorry to hear that brother. My girlfriend just recently got a tumor removed from her intestines.

Smoke & Prayers sent to your GF- be strong- be positive and be sure to tell her exactly how important she is to you each and every day. Life is short- We are here for a GOOD time-NOT a LONG time. I am fine- it costs me most of my vision- but I a still here hanging out with you youngters. Alo doesn't hurt to remind her how beatiful she is daily. This support is importnat to her- try it and you will see what I mean. It can be tough- but she will be fine. Thanks

 

[Mr. Magenta]

^^Nice thoughts.

 

[J84]

I agree with you ordawg1 thats a fine way to put it

Smoke & Prayers sent to your GF- be strong- be positive and be sure to tell her exactly how important she is to you each and every day. Life is short- We are here for a GOOD time-NOT a LONG time. I am fine- it costs me most of my vision- but I a still here hanging out with you youngters. Alo doesn't hurt to remind her how beatiful she is daily. This support is importnat to her- try it and you will see what I mean. It can be tough- but she will be fine. Thanks