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the worst training advice youve been given?

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Isnt that odd. This information is still being taught, multiple meals (6-8x a day) and has plenty of backed up studies and it worked for me.
It is still being taught, but there are no studies which back this up. It was refuted in 1997 with this study; in fact, it has never been supported through any properly designed studies - because it is not true.

Still gets taught though. I have NO idea why. It's very helpful for weight GAIN though!

I only did 25mins of cardio(walking) 2x a day. So fewer, larger, meals will?
Either way works. You just have to remain comfortable; for many of us, this means eating less frequently.

If you walked for an hour a day, you created a small deficit of maybe 100-150 calories and likely helped settle down appetite (appetite often settles down when we walk, through a variety of mechanisms). This can not be said for higher intensity activity with any consistency: in women, higher intensity activity often increases appetite (although it may sometimes decrease it in males).
And this wont cause the body to go in to starvation mode?
Thankfully, no. :)
is it even possible to be 40% fat?
I was 170 lbs with about 100 lbs lean mass. I was 130 lbs with 111 lbs lean mass in my avatar and in my profile pic. No steroids then either - just a caloric deficit for many years, heavy lifting in low-volume workouts using low-rep sets (under 8 reps), and minimal cardio. 14% bodyfat, confirmed by DEXA.
Thats like Jabba the hut fat.
That's plump-to-obese for a woman. I'm 5'7" tall and I wore a size 12-14 when I was 38 years old. That's not quite "plus size".

20% is athletic- lean for a woman. The mythical "toned" look is about 25%, if the fat-distribution is even (it rarely is).

At 20%, I wear a size 4. (I'm about that now, with 119 lbs lean mass at about 148 lbs).

At 14%, size 2 fit me and wasn't snug.

Most fashion models are about 30% bodyfat - the industry doesn't want any visible muscle or definition; just skinny and smooth (aka "skinny-fat").

Female figure competitors are usually 9-12% on stage.

Female bodybuilders are usually 8-10% on stage.

I ate like a monster, I never counted calories but I know i wasnt deficit by a long shot.
By definition, you had to be. A deficit means you burned more calories than you ate. There is no other way to lose weight. You have to run a deficit.

Thermodynamics isn't just a good idea - it's the law.™
$200 a week in food. I ate so much raw oats, wheat, rye and barley everyday.
You ate foods which you found to be more filling, and subsequently lost weight because you consumed fewer calories than you required in order to maintain your weight.
The photos you see in my profile are the after shots of this very meal plan and 12 week WO. Very strange to hear this. Maybe it's my genetics :hmmm: oh'well
Nothing unusual about you. You dropped 30 lbs in 12 weeks, and if you did a lot of activity while you did this, not all of it was fat.
If it WAS all fat, you ran a deficit of 1250 calories a day - and given you didn't think you were restricting, you likely ran much less of a deficit than this - which means you dropped muscle.

I'll explain.

A pound of bodyfat stores 3500 calories, but a pound of muscle is basically a pound of sirloin, and stores about 500-600 calories.

Thus a deficit of 3500 calories will net you the loss of ONE pound, if it's from fat, or about SIX pounds, if it's from muscle.

If you ran a deficit of say 630 calories a day because you moved more and ate less, you should have lost about 15 lbs of fat over this time. Since you lost 30, you may have dropped 15 lbs of fat (a daily deficit of 500 calories) and 15 lbs of muscle (a daily deficit of 128 calories).

Weight loss through fat alone is long, hard, slow, and requires a large deficit relative to weight loss through muscle, which is fast, easy, and requires only insufficient calories and protein coupled with excessive high-rep exercise.
I would never intentionally 'perpetuate misinformation' to the BB community. Everything I do is for the greater good. I live for this life style.

Awesome - you'll fit right in. Do some reading and educate yourself.

No you guys are right. My studies are not geared towards the BB community. Nor are we instructed on AAS. I apologies for my ignorance.

My studies weren't geared for the BB community either. I was just a fat, middle-aged woman who wanted to get the fat off her ass.

Mainstream fitness put that fat ON me.

Info geared to the bodybuilding community got it off me - finally - when I was middle-aged. Ten years later, my weight remains my choice.

Take this information out to the general fitness community and you'll be doing the world a service.
 
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Forget about starvation mode. I believe the figure is 72 hours of no nutrition before the body experiences adverse effects. I'm not going to defend this point. Feel free to read up on intermittent fasting for details on this concept. Martin Berkhan's "Leangains" protocol is based on IF and he has plenty of research on his site.

You still would require at least protein during those 3 days to stay nitrogen positive and ward off muscle loss, no?

I'm not basing this off of anything specific, however if it was safe to go sans food entirely with no adverse effects for that long, I'd imagine Lyle would have worked that into his Rapid Fat Loss book.
 
Depends how fat you are; and you have to consider how much catabolism we're talking here. If 800 calories' worth of protein would have saved you, in three days you'll lose a few pounds of muscle and then switch over to ketosis where you'll live primarily off ketones.

Starvation really is overstated.
 
You still would require at least protein during those 3 days to stay nitrogen positive and ward off muscle loss, no?

I'm not basing this off of anything specific, however if it was safe to go sans food entirely with no adverse effects for that long, I'd imagine Lyle would have worked that into his Rapid Fat Loss book.

I don't remember the specifics but I'm leaning towards one not going into a negative nitrogen balance. I believe it was Brad Pilon who pulled that research for Eat, Stop, Eat but Martin might have commented on it. I'm really fuzzy on the background info.

I do remeber the predominant reason against a 72 hour fast is the inconvenience. I remember Brad Pilon mentioning in a podcast that the reason he selected 24 hours for his version of IF is the convenience of that figure -- it's just practical to calculate 24 hours. He mentioned that the research supports something along the lines of 18-36 hours being a 'good' fasting window Background on Pilon: his version of IF has one eating "normally" 5-6 days a week and then fasting for 24 consecutive hours once (max of twice) per week.

Additionally, I'm reasonably sure that the 72 hour fast is without training.

The idea is more of a little factoid to combat all the "starvation mode if one doesn't eat every three hours" talk than something that should be put into practice.
 
Oh, regarding lyle and rapid fatloss and fasting:

Lyle, Martin, and perhaps other contributors are working on a book. The issue is that it's probably going to come out on the same day that the messiah comes and dr. dre releases Detox.

I'm looking forward to it though.
 
never really got into lifting weights till some what recently, and this web site has been a huge help with that, and i have to say ive surrounded myself with people who are smart enough to say nothing on a topic if they dont know... so i haven't been given much if any at all bad advice
 
Worst advice I've got: Diet is not important, it's all about training...
Same guy: You don't need PCT, just come back naturally...
I learned real quick that guy was an idiot.
It's a damn shame how many still listen to him though.
 
Worst advice I've got: Diet is not important, it's all about training...
Same guy: You don't need PCT, just come back naturally...
I learned real quick that guy was an idiot.
It's a damn shame how many still listen to him though.


It took me months to realise what id been told was complete bollocks.
 
Worst training advise came from magazines... following professional bodybuilders' routines. I have been overtraining for years!

Another is drinking weight gainer shakes to build muscles... you all know how that went. :nope:
 
" when you come up make sure you lock it out bro"
regarding flat bench press-
 
"Why do you lift heavy, you'll only get hurt.You can get big with light weights also" the most stupid advice ever
 
Worst training advise came from magazines... following professional bodybuilders' routines. I have been overtraining for years!

Another is drinking weight gainer shakes to build muscles... you all know how that went. :nope:


Weight gainer shakes dont help build muscle... any remote form of science to backup this statement?
 
Weight gainer shakes dont help build muscle... any remote form of science to backup this statement?

You get big when you eat more calories than you require. If those weight gainers fill you up and your intake remains the same, you won't gain weight.

At this time, I direct you to Newton's Laws of Thermodynamics.
 
You get big when you eat more calories than you require. If those weight gainers fill you up and your intake remains the same, you won't gain weight.

At this time, I direct you to Newton's Laws of Thermodynamics.

So if I eat as much as I normally would eat... Then take a weight gainer shake before I go to bed, thats not beneficial to me in any fashion...? Even being a insanely hard gainer that eats everything and still cant put on a ounce of fat.
 
It won't necessarily put you above maintenance...it might though.

You're not eating enough calories. Put your average intake into fitday.com and let us know how may grams of fat, protein, and carbs you're eating each day.
 
It won't necessarily put you above maintenance...it might though.

You're not eating enough calories. Put your average intake into fitday.com and let us know how may grams of fat, protein, and carbs you're eating each day.

Already done that and I'm far above my maintenance. When I get home I'll post it. Will blow your mind.
 
Lookin forward to it


Calories
5,067


Fat113.0
1,014
20
%Saturated55.3
496
10
%Polyunsaturated4.8
43
1
%Monounsaturated32.0
288
6
%Carbohydrate635.6
2,543
50
%Dietary Fiber20.6



Protein369.4
1,507
30
%Alcohol0.0
0
0
%
 
Keep adding 1000 until you start gaining weight.

It's easy to do...use olive oil in everything (you won't taste it in your shakes).
 
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Keep adding 1000 until you start gaining weight.

It's easy to do...use olive oil in everything (you won't taste it in your shakes).

It's not that I'm not gaining weight. I mean shit I just put 22lbs on in 4 weeks on a cycle of methadrol extreme. But nonetheless that's how much I have to eat to barely gain... IF it weren't for me having 2 complex gainer shakes, and 1 serious mass weight gainer shake a day I wouldn't be able to get remotely close to that.

I'm just arguing that weight gainers definitely have a necessary place for some. I am one of those imo.
 
Eating more food will have the same effect but I agree that shakes can be convenient.

If I didn't have shakes there isn't a way that I could get the food down w/o puking i don't think. I start to chew so slow that every bite takes a few minutes.
 
Some huge musclehead once came up to me and said, "if you keep holding the bar like that, you'll blow your shoulders out." He was referring to me front squatting with the clean grip...what a tool. I didn't even ask for his advice.
 
It's cause he loaded up way more weight than he could front squat and it hurt his shoulders I bet lol.
 
Oh yeah, "always wear a belt while squatting and deadlifting."
 
It's cause he loaded up way more weight than he could front squat and it hurt his shoulders I bet lol.

I never once saw that guy squat. He was huge, but I never saw his legs, he always had baggy clothing.

I only remember him doing bench press movements, curls and trap work.

Funny thing is, front squatting with a clean work has NEVER bothered my shoulders. Wrists sometimes, never shoulders.
 
Already done that and I'm far above my maintenance. When I get home I'll post it. Will blow your mind.

Calories
5,067
Fat 113g
Carbohydrate 635g
Protein 369g

Thank you for posting this. I'm curious: you've gained 22 lbs over what time-frame, and how much do you weigh now?
 
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