How much time is too much time at the gym

[TGB1987]

Please refrain from insulting built for trying to help you. Sometimes it is hard to accept when you are wrong about something I know believe me but it does happen especially in this sport/lifestyle. There is so much information to take in that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everything. Unfortunately for you this is Built's specialty. She is absolutely phenomenal with diet and nutrition. She has helped me with my diet more than two different endos and two PCPs could regarding an issue I had with reactive Hypoglycemia. We actually discussed my diet on the phone for a couple of hours on a weekend. This is her passion and you can tell by how knowledgable she is. She really means well and wants to help. In this thread she has given you nothing but great information. She is right overtraining will prevent you from getting the most out of your workouts. I wish I would of learned this when I first began training. I overtrained and worked harder than I had to to get where I wanted and all it did for me was burn me out after a couple years and make my joints ache everyday. My shoulders are not doing to good and what is bad is I am not that old even though I have been training for around 12 years. I decided to change my training up when I started to lose interest in my training routine and ache all the time. What a difference. The older I get the more I learn what my body is saying and the more it responds. Built is actually saving you a hard earned lesson. Just because she is a female doesn't mean she doesn't know about training and nutrition for males. You live and you learn you can choose to take an experienced person's tips and advice or you can go the hard way and learn on your own but in the end if you are going to be doing this for the long haul you will get to that point on your own. As far as the diet discussion goes there really isn't even an argument. Built is right on the money here. Trust me she knows diet and nutrition. I wouldn't even dare try to challenge her in this subject. Seriously if she starts talking about something to do with diet and nutrition I suggest you listen and listen well because I can promise you it will be great advice. Anytime I have a issue there I come to her. She is not closed minded either. We had discussions about Insulin where she listened to my thought and opinion and we made sense of it. She is one of the most helpful mods you will find and if you treat her with respect she will give it right back. She goes beyond what is necessary to help others with their needs. Please be respectful Trap, Built is a wonderful person that can truly teach you a lot if you are willing to learn.

 

[Anabolic5150]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Well said.

 

[trapzilla]

Please refrain from insulting built for trying to help you. Sometimes it is hard to accept when you are wrong about something I know believe me but it does happen especially in this sport/lifestyle. There is so much information to take in that it is nearly impossible to know everything about everything. Unfortunately for you this is Built's specialty. She is absolutely phenomenal with diet and nutrition. She has helped me with my diet more than two different endos and two PCPs could regarding an issue I had with reactive Hypoglycemia. We actually discussed my diet on the phone for a couple of hours on a weekend. This is her passion and you can tell by how knowledgable she is. She really means well and wants to help. In this thread she has given you nothing but great information. She is right overtraining will prevent you from getting the most out of your workouts. I wish I would of learned this when I first began training. I overtrained and worked harder than I had to to get where I wanted and all it did for me was burn me out after a couple years and make my joints ache everyday. My shoulders are not doing to good and what is bad is I am not that old even though I have been training for around 12 years. I decided to change my training up when I started to lose interest in my training routine and ache all the time. What a difference. The older I get the more I learn what my body is saying and the more it responds. Built is actually saving you a hard earned lesson. Just because she is a female doesn't mean she doesn't know about training and nutrition for males. You live and you learn you can choose to take an experienced person's tips and advice or you can go the hard way and learn on your own but in the end if you are going to be doing this for the long haul you will get to that point on your own. As far as the diet discussion goes there really isn't even an argument. Built is right on the money here. Trust me she knows diet and nutrition. I wouldn't even dare try to challenge her in this subject. Seriously if she starts talking about something to do with diet and nutrition I suggest you listen and listen well because I can promise you it will be great advice. Anytime I have a issue there I come to her. She is not closed minded either. We had discussions about Insulin where she listened to my thought and opinion and we made sense of it. She is one of the most helpful mods you will find and if you treat her with respect she will give it right back. She goes beyond what is necessary to help others with their needs. Please be respectful Trap, Built is a wonderful person that can truly teach you a lot if you are willing to learn.

edit; resolution sought privately

 

[TGB1987]

It is hard to tell what kind of tone or attitude someone may be using in text. Sometimes things may look a way they actually are not. She means well and if you knew her you would know that . Trust me

 

[Built]

trap and I are cool - no worries. I ate some chocolate and watched Oprah; he downloaded porn and rubbed one out, we're both calmer now.

(Okay I don't actually know what trap did, and I downloaded porn and rubbed one out. Whatever. )

Peace.

 

[Merkaba]

I Have never and I repeat never seen a big dude perform the routines that are often suggested on this site, introduce me to one and i'll shut up about my training style for good but until that point i'm still gonna beat my friggin drum.

Do I qualify? I'm natural, never even seen gear(seriously), never taken anything more potent than creatine, 5-10, 255, about 20%BF, Six pack never leaves,moderate scoliosis, missing some of my left knee. I rarely Pull or squat over 400 because I don't want or need to. I seldom do more than 10 work reps. Seldom do more than 4 work sets per exercise. I do all core lifts, and maybe 2 or 3 supporting type of movements. I rarely workout for more than 1.5 hours. If I go that long it's because I'm day-training someone asking me questions or someone's generally trying to talk my ear off. I rest for 2 or more minutes depending on what I'm doing. Lately I'm gettin' burned out from being in the gym and being around the type of shit going on in this goddam thread. Posturing. Oh I can workout longer than you I kick ass, oh dude I'm up earlier than you I kick ass, my car's faster than yours I kick ass, I do (insert workout type name here) so I kick ass, dude I kick ass, .... I'm 35 in July so maybe I'm just getting old... or wise.

Look noone cares about a couple of dudes you're considering your single-blind test pool! This is why built is getting short with you. You're ever so slightly trying to (whether you realize it or not) skirt around the basic math of thermodynamics while trying to make a point. If you want to talk science around here you need to have your ducks in row or you're probably going to be considered talking heavily weighted opinion. Shit i don't talk as much science because Built is Waaaaaaay more keen on that shit than I. If you're not sure what your friend took, then remove him from your pool. If anyone is "growing with you" they are growing FIRST because of dietary intake. I could do your workout and lose weight, if the caloric math is appropriate. This is what Built is trying to drive home to you. There are no if's, ands, or buts, or 3 other possible reasons dude. This is the point. And to dwell on this shit is to further perpetuate THE BIGGEST part of the shitty ass facades of ignorance that run the entire fitness industry.

Get the fuck over your self dude. I looked at your workout journal. Yea it's alot. A hell of alot. Now what? Apart from some shit I don't do like pullovers,crushers, sissy's, etc. i could do your workout with you, playing the all natural card, especially while bulking. Before dropping 10 lbs and I stopped eating I was repping 365 on bench and squatting 500 at the end of the workout. Built is probably one of the nicest people on this forum and she continues to give the same logical scientific backed basic(and complex) type of remarks over and over again, although so many people can't get it through their thick type A male(or female for that matter) numbskulls. People like me start to wonder why people can't get this shit and we get tired of repeating the same shit and start to curse, holler and spit, like I'm doing now, especially when some nut crosses the line. But Built is usually the one what will step in and give it to you straight without the joking or shit talking. I'm tired of the typical Warrior-man hear me roar type of rebuttals or logic for training. If I were geared up I'd be a self proclaimed freak.

So you're from the U.K. and now you want to sweep all Americans in a category for joke? People that do shit like this or even have it in the forefront of their pea sized brains for enough time to even joke about it, just lets me know what type of person we're dealing with and the type of thoughts that must be in your head on a regular basis.

 

[Merkaba]

edit; resolution sought privately

good to know. I'm still leaving my shit up cause you wanted to speak some anti-American shit on a fucking muscle forum in order to charge up your opinion. Why don't you throw in some religion too while you're at it.

I was born and bred in the "country" of this great country. Eating hog and eggs and grits and toast for breakfast.

And just for the record Built also helped me with my first show. 2nd place on 4 weeks of diet.

 

[Merkaba]

Did someone mention Oprah, chocolate, porn, and rubbin' one out? sounds like a typical day for me. I usually try to hit up Ellen before Oprah she's funny.

 

[Built]

Ooooh, chocolate porn!

 

[ponyboy]

Ooooh, chocolate porn!

Go to Google Images, take your filters off and type that in. I dare you.

 

[juggernaut]

Built you handle yourself, as always, with class and backed researched data.
Trap, tone the attitude down. You won't win with her. She outclasses you, outsmarts you, and has every right to her opinion. Btw-your training journal sucks. Keep spinning your wheels. As for your American bashing comments-that's just too bad that you think you're above us. Have another steroid cookie, you're coming off as a dimwitted douchebag, bro.
Resolution or not, change your attitude. You haven't garnered enough points here to bash anyone, let alone a mod.

 

[Anabolic5150]

My opinion, Built has said her and Trap are cool. Continuing to bash him, even if it's with cause does nothing positive. I didn't like the anti-American comments, but things are said in the heat of the moment and need to be forgiven. Let's all move on.

 

[Anabolic5150]

Built,

Videos of you eating chocolate, watching porn and rubbing one out or it didn't happen. Lol

 

[Built]

Built,

Videos of you eating chocolate, watching porn and rubbing one out or it didn't happen. Lol

Then it didn't happen; and it's official: I'm a lady.

 

[Merkaba]

My opinion, Built has said her and Trap are cool. Continuing to bash him, even if it's with cause does nothing positive. I didn't like the anti-American comments, but things are said in the heat of the moment and need to be forgiven. Let's all move on.

Yea...some of us came in late and need to get our rocks off though.

 

[Anabolic5150]

Then it didn't happen; and it's official: I'm a lady.

Yes you are a lady, and I think it did happen.

 

[Anabolic5150]

Yea...some of us came in late and need to get our rocks off though.

No worries, but let's all let it go now. We have better things to do.

 

[trapzilla]

Dear all,

I would like to apologise for all bar my first posts in this thread, they were completely out of order and not warranted, I have every bit of respect for the moderators and members of this board.

I have messaged all affected parties apologising as far as I am aware.

regards
Trapz

 

[Anabolic5150]

Takes a big man to apologize Trap, I respect you for doing just that. Let's all move on, get smarter, stronger, bigger or tighter. Whatever our goal, we are a community.

 

[juggernaut]

Dear all,

I would like to apologise for all bar my first posts in this thread, they were completely out of order and not warranted, I have every bit of respect for the moderators and members of this board.

I have messaged all affected parties apologising as far as I am aware.

regards
Trapz

Onward and upwards. Built is a lighthouse in the darkest of areas on this board, plus a great friend. She's one one of the reasons I have the success I have in this field. When she speaks, everyone should take out a pencil and paper and learn, because class is in session.
As for your apology, we all feel all pink fuzzy. Now can we get back to American Idol bashing please?

 

[juggernaut]

Then it didn't happen; and it's official: I'm a lady.

Says who??

 

[Built]

Takes a big man to apologize Trap, I respect you for doing just that.

That's what I told him when he PMd me yesterday.

Now - getting back to the discussion - high volume workouts are great to toss in from time to time when you're eating a ton. I do that myself sometimes - just not all the time. Mind you, I'm a fossil; my body falls apart when I do too much. If your joints feel good and you're making good gains, carry on; when you start dreading your time in the gym, maybe take a break and then do something else for a while.

 

[Anabolic5150]

That's what I told him when he PMd me yesterday.

Now - getting back to the discussion - high volume workouts are great to toss in from time to time when you're eating a ton. I do that myself sometimes - just not all the time. Mind you, I'm a fossil; my body falls apart when I do too much. If your joints feel good and you're making good gains, carry on; when you start dreading your time in the gym, maybe take a break and then do something else for a while.

The bolded part is the #1 key for me.

 

[Thresh]

That's what I told him when he PMd me yesterday.

Now - getting back to the discussion - high volume workouts are great to toss in from time to time when you're eating a ton. I do that myself sometimes - just not all the time. Mind you, I'm a fossil; my body falls apart when I do too much. If your joints feel good and you're making good gains, carry on; when you start dreading your time in the gym, maybe take a break and then do something else for a while.

Wonder if that's my problem, I love working out harder and harder, longer and longer. After doing around 600 reps on arm day, an hour later I'll be asking my friend if he wants to play tennis or go rock climbing. If he didn't say no all the time I'd never sit still and rest.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

Whoa 600 reps on arm day? I did 3 sets and 23 reps last leg day and I almost threw up lol I bet that is your problem.

 

[Thresh]

Whoa 600 reps on arm day? I did 3 sets and 23 reps last leg day and I almost threw up lol I bet that is your problem.

I'm currently doing arnold's 6 day duel split, arms where the a.m. Workout.

Biceps:

Barbell curls 6 x 6-10
Seated dumbbell curls 6 x 6-10
Dumbbell concentration curls 6 x 6-10

Triceps:

Close-grip bench presses 6 x 6-10
Pushdowns 6 x 6-10
French press (barbell) 6 x 6-10
One-arm triceps extensions (dumbbell) 6 x 6-10

This workout great for the first 2 weeks, bit then I had to add more shit...

Superset 10 sets with zero rest, with Tricep cable pushdown with rope and cable hammer curled with rope, your on one exercise, partner on the other, do 10 reps then switch. When all is said and done you get 200 continuous reps out of that. Do this twice you got 400 right there.

Next arm day we will do heavier weight with half the reps.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

That's quite a lot man, got to remember Arnold was hitting the juice pretty hard. You train arms twice a week on their own day and they are still getting worked on chest and back day, so you are pretty much hitting bi's and tri's 3 times a week that sounds like too much to me.

 

[Thresh]

Ill doo this routine for a month then switch up to a 5 day routine, would be longer and harder workouts but more rest days....that's the plan

 

[Anabolic5150]

Thresh, as much as I respect Arnold, that workout will overtrain you so quick. Do you have a job? A life? Arnold didn't do shit but train, eat and hang out at the beach, Joe Weider paid the bills. On my best days I would last maybe two weeks on that program, it's not a good layout at all.

 

[juggernaut]

Thresh, as much as I respect Arnold, that workout will overtrain you so quick. Do you have a job? A life? Arnold didn't do shit but train, eat and hang out at the beach, Joe Weider paid the bills. On my best days I would last maybe two weeks on that program, it's not a good layout at all.

He's right; it worked for Arnold, because he's Arnold. That's a shitload of volume. I will usually respond to a total of 8-12 sets total for group, and that's with differing rep schemes throughout the year. If I'm gaining, I go even lower, ala blue collar training or 531. My mission is build a shitload of muscle, but do it intelligently. At 243lbs with 10% fat, I'm not doing too bad a job.