'Cutting' Cycle Critique

[Swedeheart]

Looking for any insight/suggestions to what I have planned.

Here is the layout for my summer cycle..Would like to start June 1st and go for 12 weeks...

Week 1-4: Clen starting at 40mcg going up to 100mcg or where I feel comfortable. T3 starting at 50mcg and working up to 100mcg then tapering back to 50. Test Prop @ 100mg eod or 300mg/wk.

Week 5-12: Tren Ace 50mg/day. Test Prop 75mg/day. Masteron 50mg/day. (Cutmix from Dragon Pharma with additional prop.)

Weeks 6 or 8-12: Oral Winny @ 50mg daily.

On Cycle: Adex .5mg eod/Cycle Support.

PCT: Following Heavy's sticky..Clomid 100/75/50/50..Aromasin 20mg for 4 weeks..Vit C 3g/daily..Creatine 5-10g.

Weight: 215-220

Diet: Probably start at around 3000 calories (300p/300c/75f) Thats just a ballpark idea might tweak my numbers around. Sources consist of sweet potatoes, oats, ezeckiel bread, veggies, minimal fruit (blueberries/grapefruit), whole eggs, almonds, natty pb, macadamia nut oil, EFAs, chicken, turkey, whey, egg whites, beef. Nothing fancy just the basics.

Cardio: HIIT would be out of the question. With that just incorporating some LISS on the treadmill PWO or first thing in the morning for about 30mins a session. Id like some insight into cardio too if anyone has any preferences for a setup.

Only real question I have is I was debating running the clen t3 solo for the first 4 weeks. Ive heard mixed reviews on this and most say to run the clen/t3 with some sort of anabolic to prevent the muscle loss? For this I was going to get Prop to run for the full 12 weeks and have it alongside the t3/clen.

Thanks for any help.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I actually like this cycle. Well done

Here is a slight revision

1-4 - 40-100mcg clen ED
1-4 - 50-100mcg T3 Ed
1-4 - 100mg Eod Prop

5-12 - Tren Ace 50mg/day. Test Prop 75mg/day. Masteron 50mg/day. (Cutmix from Dragon Pharma with additional prop.)
6-12 - winny - 60mg ed
9-12 - 40-100mcg clen ED
9-12 - 50-100mcg T3 Ed

 

[NJRiot]

wheres the protien?

 

[Swedeheart]

I actually like this cycle. Well done

Here is a slight revision

1-4 - 40-100mcg clen ED
1-4 - 50-100mcg T3 Ed
1-4 - 100mg Eod Prop

5-12 - Tren Ace 50mg/day. Test Prop 75mg/day. Masteron 50mg/day. (Cutmix from Dragon Pharma with additional prop.)
6-12 - winny - 60mg ed
9-12 - 40-100mcg clen ED
9-12 - 50-100mcg T3 Ed

Thanks..will look into the revisions you made..whats the reasoning for starting and ending with clen/t3?

wheres the protien?

Its in there, all 300g worth : ) ... whey, chicken, turkey, beef, eggs..

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Thanks..will look into the revisions you made..whats the reasoning for starting and ending with clen/t3?

You will get a nice start with the added clen/t3 in the beginning, and another great push to the finish with 3 more weeks at the end, coupled with the winstrol, tren and mast.

 

[XYZ]

Looking for any insight/suggestions to what I have planned.

Here is the layout for my summer cycle..Would like to start June 1st and go for 12 weeks...

Week 1-4: Clen starting at 40mcg going up to 100mcg or where I feel comfortable. T3 starting at 50mcg and working up to 100mcg then tapering back to 50. Test Prop @ 100mg eod or 300mg/wk.

Week 5-12: Tren Ace 50mg/day. Test Prop 75mg/day. Masteron 50mg/day. (Cutmix from Dragon Pharma with additional prop.)

Weeks 6 or 8-12: Oral Winny @ 50mg daily.

On Cycle: Adex .5mg eod/Cycle Support.

PCT: Following Heavy's sticky..Clomid 100/75/50/50..Aromasin 20mg for 4 weeks..Vit C 3g/daily..Creatine 5-10g.

Weight: 215-220

Diet: Probably start at around 3000 calories (300p/300c/75f) Thats just a ballpark idea might tweak my numbers around. Sources consist of sweet potatoes, oats, ezeckiel bread, veggies, minimal fruit (blueberries/grapefruit), whole eggs, almonds, natty pb, macadamia nut oil, EFAs, chicken, turkey, whey, egg whites, beef. Nothing fancy just the basics.

Cardio: HIIT would be out of the question. With that just incorporating some LISS on the treadmill PWO or first thing in the morning for about 30mins a session. Id like some insight into cardio too if anyone has any preferences for a setup.

Only real question I have is I was debating running the clen t3 solo for the first 4 weeks. Ive heard mixed reviews on this and most say to run the clen/t3 with some sort of anabolic to prevent the muscle loss? For this I was going to get Prop to run for the full 12 weeks and have it alongside the t3/clen.

Thanks for any help.

Why can you not do HIIT? That will strip BF off faster than anything.

Personally, it makes no sense whatsoever to run the T3 and clen up front. Why? You're going to be able to drop weight rather quickly when you first strat, when you begin to plateau (and you will) that's when you use the T3 and clen. That way you don't have to drop your calories just yet. Too many people do it backwards, stall out and then start cutting calories too fast and end up losing a lot of LBM that they didn't need to. NO more than 75mcgs on the T3. Any more runs the risk of losing too much LBM.

Drop the bread and add in a ton of veggies. I would also drop all of the starches except for one serving of oats PWO. Add in some ECA for energy.

Gear wise? It could be better it could be worse, if you like it and have used it in the past go for it.

Good luck.

 

[Swedeheart]

Why can you not do HIIT? That will strip BF off faster than anything.

Personally, it makes no sense whatsoever to run the T3 and clen up front. Why? You're going to be able to drop weight rather quickly when you first strat, when you begin to plateau (and you will) that's when you use the T3 and clen. That way you don't have to drop your calories just yet. Too many people do it backwards, stall out and then start cutting calories too fast and end up losing a lot of LBM that they didn't need to. NO more than 75mcgs on the T3. Any more runs the risk of losing too much LBM.

Drop the bread and add in a ton of veggies. I would also drop all of the starches except for one serving of oats PWO. Add in some ECA for energy.

Gear wise? It could be better it could be worse, if you like it and have used it in the past go for it.

Good luck.

For HIIT, if at the moment im using Clen, which elevates HR, that doesnt seem like a good mix with HIIT which further will elevate it. Also, with the tren as it decreases your cardio performance i think id have trouble with it.

I see what your saying on the timing of clen/t3. But i have read by some that they prefer to start with it to shed off as much fat as possible. As suggested above I will most likely go with the outline of using it in the beginning and ending with it.

Thanks on the diet suggestions. I normally only keep ezeckiel in for a short period and have it at breakfast, then its all sweet potatoes/oats. Personally, I do well with carbs so I will keep them higher.

On the gear, are you referring to the actual brand, DP? Ive used some of the line in the past and liked it, and part of the reason im doing this cycle is because I got a great price on things.

 

[D-Lats]

What are your stats and cycle history? This is a lot for a beginner.

 

[Swedeheart]

What are your stats and cycle history? This is a lot for a beginner.

5'10'' 220 ...im 25

Cycles of with test, dbol, deca, winny, and a few various PH's to start. The tren ace is the only part thats completely new to me and starting at 350mg/wk is the lowest dose usually advised so it seems like a good start to gauge how i am with it. What would your suggestions be?

 

[D-Lats]

I like the cycle layout and seeing how you have cycled before you know how they effect you. Tren is great but can be hard to deal with. Ace is a good choice to start with but IMO 350mg a week is high. I'd start at around 200 mg and see if you like it. If everything is going good up the dose. It is WAY more anabolic than any of the other compounds you are running. Heavyiron wrote a wicked article on tren a little while back. Do a search and give it a look.

 

[M4A3]

You do plan on having some caber and/or prami on hand for the tren, right?

 

[Swedeheart]

I like the cycle layout and seeing how you have cycled before you know how they effect you. Tren is great but can be hard to deal with. Ace is a good choice to start with but IMO 350mg a week is high. I'd start at around 200 mg and see if you like it. If everything is going good up the dose. It is WAY more anabolic than any of the other compounds you are running. Heavyiron wrote a wicked article on tren a little while back. Do a search and give it a look.

Thanks..All the reading ive done on tren def shows that. But with any drug, it comes down to how the individual reacts. I know a few people running it who have minor side effects like night sweating whereas others seemed to get the harsh effects from a similar dose.

You do plan on having some caber and/or prami on hand for the tren, right?

Yes.