First Cycle - some advice please.

[Brawla]

Been training for 2 years now, routine and diet are great but seem to have hit a natural plateau. Have done a lot of research but would also like your opinions/advice on which cycle would be most beneficial to a first timer.

I'm siding towards Dbol+Test. Only worries I have with this is how bloated I'm going to be, prefer a leaner look. Anything I can take on top of these to keep myself lean(ish)?

Or would you suggest a whole different cycle?

 

[Mr.BIG]

Age, weight, height, BF%, ect,ect,ect????

 

[D-Lats]

Need stats. Bloat is mainly dependant on ai so it shouldnt be an issue.

 

[pyes]

This is what I am talking about.....uugghhh
He said he is a first timer.....why do you need stats to give him a cycle?

Every firstimer should run a test only cycle

test (of your choice @500mg/wk)
arimidex or aromasin (AI)
clomid (PCT)

that is it....no need for stats...no need for dbol (although you could) but you should find out how your body reacts to test only becuz it will be the foundation for every cycle after this one. No need for hcg either. He is just testing the waters here.

 

[Mr.BIG]

This is what I am talking about.....uugghhh
He said he is a first timer.....why do you need stats to give him a cycle?

Every firstimer should run a test only cycle

test (of your choice @500mg/wk)
arimidex or aromasin (AI)
clomid (PCT)

that is it....no need for stats...no need for dbol (although you could) but you should find out how your body reacts to test only becuz it will be the foundation for every cycle after this one. No need for hcg either. He is just testing the waters here.

While what you say is true about test only as a first cycle, you are wrong about wanting to know his stats, if he is like your avatar and weighs 125lbs I'm not going to recommend him to use 500mg of test a week!

 

[D-Lats]

Well that solves it might aswell just shut this section down Pyes covered everything. Guess it doesn't matter if the guy is 5' tall and 260 lbs with 40% bf just take that cycle and your set. Thanks for putting your immense knowledge to good use.

 

[Brawla]

Age: 24
Weight: 160lbs
BF%: 9%

My goal is to be 180lbs at 5-7% body fat. Not interested in being much bigger than that.

I realise that a test only first cycle is a good choice but have also heard that you get the best gains out of your first cycle. So would really like to maximise that seen as I only have a 20lb gain to reach my goal.

 

[Hench]

This is what I am talking about.....uugghhh
He said he is a first timer.....why do you need stats to give him a cycle?

Every firstimer should run a test only cycle

test (of your choice @500mg/wk)
arimidex or aromasin (AI)
clomid (PCT)

that is it....no need for stats...no need for dbol (although you could) but you should find out how your body reacts to test only becuz it will be the foundation for every cycle after this one. No need for hcg either. He is just testing the waters here.

How about we need his stats to see if he is an appropriate candidate for AAS? Seriously are you retarded?

If all you???re going to do is post negative shit about this forum why don???t you just leave? Either that or actually provide some valuable input.

 

[Mr.BIG]

Age: 24
Weight: 160lbs
BF%: 9%

My goal is to be 180lbs at 5-7% body fat. Not interested in being much bigger than that.

I realise that a test only first cycle is a good choice but have also heard that you get the best gains out of your first cycle. So would really like to maximise that seen as I only have a 20lb gain to reach my goal.

I by no means am trying to be a dick but only 20lbs.? Tell ya what, go to the grocery store and buy 2-10lbs. pieces of meat, then look at them as 2 added muscles on your legs! My point is that 20lbs. of muscle is a LOT! If you up your protien intake to around 300-320 grams a day and use Test only you can gain the 20lbs. Might take 10 weeks might take 16 weeks, depends on your dedication! Not dedication only in the weight room but at the dinner table also! Read this plz!
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104658-first-cycle-pct.html

This article will help you understand more, lift heavy, eat more and good luck to you!

 

[aja44]

How about we need his stats to see if he is an appropriate candidate for AAS? Seriously are you retarded?

If all you???re going to do is post negative shit about this forum why don???t you just leave? Either that or actually provide some valuable input.

First to HENCH - I think what PYES is saying is that a first cycle for a male, whether he is 180lbs or 280lbs is going to be 500mg Test C/E for 10 weeks PERIOD. There is no need to stack or even start off with a kicker for your first stack. Stick with your Test, AI and PCT and you will be fine.

Second - ONLY 20lbs??? Are you serious? I think you need to be a bit more realistic with your goals for this first cycle. Your asking to gain over 20lbs of solid muscle here in 10 weeks. If your BF is accurate, your already very lean, so dropping 2% BF while trying to get to 180 means you need to gain over 20lbs solid and keep it. AAS is not the key to building muscle, your diet and workout is. Anyone that tells you differently is an asshole and you should not be listening to their advise.

What are your daily macro's?
What kind of routine are your running now?

 

[trapzilla]

Do people even use stickies or the search bar anymore?
I know we will always help a bro out if they ask us but it does get tedious answering numerous first timer not sure what to run questions.

But rant over
Judging by your stats-height would be useful!

you need to eat more 160 is very skinny unless your like a dwarf!

As all the others have said 20lbs is a fuck load of muscle.

You need to research a bit more and nail the diet first only then can we really be of much use, if you were to jump on gear with a shit diet you won't gain, you need to eat more and better when on than off!

 

[Hench]

First to HENCH - I think what PYES is saying is that a first cycle for a male, whether he is 180lbs or 280lbs is going to be 500mg Test C/E for 10 weeks PERIOD. There is no need to stack or even start off with a kicker for your first stack. Stick with your Test, AI and PCT and you will be fine.

Of course that's what he meant, but that is not the point I was making.

The OP has actually proved my point for me, unless he's <5' 5'', at 160lbs he has no business using AAS. That is why we need his stats!

 

[Brawla]

Lol I'm well aware how much 20 lbs of weight is as that is what I've put on through natural bodybuilding.

I think my use of the word 'only' has been taken out of context. I realise it's a lot of muscle but I plan to continue body building for as long as I can, guess that's 20+years, so in the grand scheme of things it is more than doable.

As for the diet/routine questions please refer to my original post.

I have a very good overall knowledge of many aspects of body building but steroids are completly new to me. So how about cutting me some slack?

 

[Brawla]

he has no business using AAS

I'll be the judge of that, but thanks for your input bro!

 

[Brawla]

Do people even use stickies or the search bar anymore?

Have done a lot of research but would also like your opinions/advice on which cycle would be most beneficial to a first timer.

Wanted some advice from people I could have a conversation with instead of just reading articles, is that ok?

 

[D-Lats]

Adding stats is a rule at the top of the anabolic zone forum it a rule follow it debate over.

 

[trapzilla]

I'll be the judge of that, but thanks for your input bro!

Hang on a second here, you'll be the judge of whether or not your ready for AAS will you? then why the hell do you need us?
if you want to jump on gear just because your a lazy bitch then your not ready, if your diet is not on point then your not ready, if you are nowhere near your genetic max your not ready, if your bf% is above 15% your not really ready. this ain't opinion it is fact.

we're trying to be helpful here answering question that don't actually need answering for the 1000th time, but low and behold we are and we get some dick headish backlash when we say it how it is? i mean wtf dude?

If you had read the stickies and taken them on board, this thread would not exist

Hench and D-Latsky knows their shit as do many others on here, if they were to tell me not to do X then i'm sure as hell not gonna do it period.

Where the fuck is my Bieber poster? I need to go wank now

 

[aja44]

Of course that's what he meant, but that is not the point I was making.

The OP has actually proved my point for me, unless he's <5' 5'', at 160lbs he has no business using AAS. That is why we need his stats!

Again I disagree with you. I think if the OP would have posted he was 35, along with a clean diet (full diet and macro's) and his workout routine and experience and was 5'5 @ 140lbs he still would use the recommended First cycle of 500mgTest C/E/ AI and PCT.

 

[Hench]

^^Trap speaks to truth!

From my experience Trap there seems to be a pretty lax attitude toward AAS use and the associated risks throughout the UK, any different down your end?

 

[Hench]

Again I disagree with you. I think if the OP would have posted he was 35, along with a clean diet (full diet and macro's) and his workout routine and experience and was 5'5 @ 140lbs he still would use the recommended First cycle of 500mgTest C/E/ AI and PCT.

You're completely missing the point. Of course the 'first cycle' is the same for pretty much everybody, but what I was trying to discern is whether or not the OP is in a position to do so safely.

Make sense?

 

[aja44]

You're completely missing the point. Of course the 'first cycle' is the same for pretty much everybody, but what I was trying to discern is whether or not the OP is in a position to do so safely.

Make sense?

I do. But as you can see with the OP that started this thread, no one reads the STICKY's or bothers to go through previous threads to get answers. There must be hundreds of threads where guys want to stack on first cycles or dont even know what PCT or an AI are. I've seen post with guys wanting to start off first cycles with DBOL only or as stupid as TREN.

I agree that stats are very important when your putting together a stacked cycle with multiple compounds. But when someone makes up their mind there going to run gear, nothing we say will stop them. But if they follow the FIRST CYCLE that PYES was indicating, the risk is low enough and all points are covered. Does that make sense?

 

[trapzilla]

^^Trap speaks to truth!

From my experience Trap there seems to be a pretty lax attitude toward AAS use and the associated risks throughout the UK, any different down your end?

100% Hench, young kids 15-17 (i was one myself to start but i was well prepared) will jump on dbol only cycles with no knowledge shit diets, no training experience and then just train bis come off with no PCT and then jump on again in a few weeks all the while partying like mad.

then there are those who just Blast all the time, one guy I know been on straight for about 3 years blasting all the time he's big but also likes to party so will end up deads.
Another guy never cycles he just switched compounds around did this from about 16 and then at 24 had and overactive thyroid lost all his weight and is on thyroxin for life.

But it is part an parcel of UK culture just look at our drinking and casual sex/drug cultures for an example of that.

I myself lean on the more outlandish side of usage but i am always over cautious on ancillaries and do my research to the Nth degree

On the arguement for the generalised cycle, your both right as far as i'm concerned when someone is ready the first cycle is the same but only when they are ready

 

[Brawla]

Hang on a second here, you'll be the judge of whether or not your ready for AAS will you? then why the hell do you need us?
if you want to jump on gear just because your a lazy bitch then your not ready, if your diet is not on point then your not ready, if you are nowhere near your genetic max your not ready, if your bf% is above 15% your not really ready. this ain't opinion it is fact.

we're trying to be helpful here answering question that don't actually need answering for the 1000th time, but low and behold we are and we get some dick headish backlash when we say it how it is? i mean wtf dude?

If you had read the stickies and taken them on board, this thread would not exist

Hench and D-Latsky knows their shit as do many others on here, if they were to tell me not to do X then i'm sure as hell not gonna do it period.

Where the fuck is my Bieber poster? I need to go wank now

If you read my orginal post it asks for advice on my first cycle, not whether to take AAS or not, that is entirely my choice.

If you read my orginal post it tells you my routine and diet are spot on, where in that does it say that I'm lazy. I'm just gonna go ahead and ignore the bitch comment because I have no time for a keyboard duel lol.

If you read the post with my stats on then you will see I'm 9% bf not 15% or anything higher.

As for the dick head part, I bow to you oh mighty keyboard warrior. Seriously can you quit with the childish insults, I'm guessing your an adult.

If I didn't think people knew there shit on these forums I wouldn't be asking advice, I'm not disputing that for once.

Now. Let me apologize if I offended anyone, but I asked a simple question and people have seemingly jumped down my throat with snide comments. I have read your stickies AND plenty of articles BUT I still had my own ideas (albeit wrong ideas) on what cycle I was thinking of running, hence checking it with you guys.

I chose this forum after reading things on a lot of other forums because you guys appeared to be a lot more understanding, active and helpful.

 

[Brawla]

Adding stats is a rule at the top of the anabolic zone forum it a rule follow it debate over.

Fair play I didn't read the rules.

 

[trapzilla]

If you read my orginal post it asks for advice on my first cycle, not whether to take AAS or not, that is entirely my choice.
whilst it is your choice we still don't want someone to fuck themselves over jsut for a few lbs of muscle, so we take AAS readiness into account on here. we all know your an adult and will do what you want anyway.

If you read my orginal post it tells you my routine and diet are spot on, where in that does it say that I'm lazy. I'm just gonna go ahead and ignore the bitch comment because I have no time for a keyboard duel lol.

If you read the post with my stats on then you will see I'm 9% bf not 15% or anything higher.
then you need to read my post too, the comments were non-directional i.e. they were a generalisation to provide an example, as far as i can see the only one of those things that may apply is genetic max. you grabbed the wrong end of the stick on that one.

As for the dick head part, I bow to you oh mighty keyboard warrior. Seriously can you quit with the childish insults, I'm guessing your an adult.
the tone was dick headish in your post as it is in mine, and will be in many others posts over a range of topics it was just an observation.

If I didn't think people knew there shit on these forums I wouldn't be asking advice, I'm not disputing that for once.

Now. Let me apologize if I offended anyone, but I asked a simple question and people have seemingly jumped down my throat with sneid comments. I have read your stickies AND plenty of articles BUT I still had my own ideas (albeit wrong ideas) on what cycle I was thinking of running, hence checking it with you guys.

I chose this forum after reading things on a lot of other forums because you guys appeared to be a lot more understanding, active and helpful.

We're more than willing to be helpful look i'll prove it;

first cycle given stats and determination to run anyway
weeks 1-10 test e or cyp 500mgs ew split bi-weekly into 2, 250mg shots
weeks 1-10 adex @.5 mgs ed/eod-to combat estro sides and bloat
weeks 11-16 aromasin @12.5mgs ed
weeks 13-16 clomid @ 100/75/50/50 mgs ed

with nolva on hand

you can use HCG if you wish at the follwong dosage; 250-500 iu 2x weekly weeks 3-4 + 7-8 and then 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 on the last 5 days of week 11- 1 week gap between HCG blast and PCT to prevent HCG suppression interferring.

no dbol needed. as if sides crop up you do not know which compound is causing it. better to be battling one unknown compound at a time.

we good here?

 

[Brawla]

Lol we're all good, just got off on the wrong foot there.

Cheers for the advice mate. I'm guessing you get a lot of kids on here who just think steroids are the answer to everything eh?

Don't worry I'm not that. Trained/Competed in Muay Thai for the past 8 years, but the past 2 I've really got into my weights, feels like a new challenge for me and I'm enjoying it. Just feel like I'm ready for the next step.

 

[aja44]

We're more than willing to be helpful look i'll prove it;

first cycle given stats and determination to run anyway
weeks 1-10 test e or cyp 500mgs ew split bi-weekly into 2, 250mg shots
weeks 1-10 adex @.5 mgs ed/eod-to combat estro sides and bloat
weeks 11-16 aromasin @12.5mgs ed
weeks 13-16 clomid @ 100/75/50/50 mgs ed

with nolva on hand

you can use HCG if you wish at the follwong dosage; 250-500 iu 2x weekly weeks 3-4 + 7-8 and then 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 on the last 5 days of week 11- 1 week gap between HCG blast and PCT to prevent HCG suppression interferring.

no dbol needed. as if sides crop up you do not know which compound is causing it. better to be battling one unknown compound at a time.

we good here?

Not sure if this was a typo or not.... but I would recommend you run your AI starting a week after your first shot and not just while the ester is clearing and during PCT

I'm also a believer in running HCG during cycle at 500ius per week beginning in week 2 or so. Should stop HCG after the ester clears, or after week 12 (if your running Cyp for 10 weeks that is).

 

[trapzilla]

Not sure if this was a typo or not.... but I would recommend you run your AI starting a week after your first shot and not just while the ester is clearing and during PCT

I'm also a believer in running HCG during cycle at 500ius per week beginning in week 2 or so. Should stop HCG after the ester clears, or after week 12 (if your running Cyp for 10 weeks that is).

the Ai is already present from week 1 with the adex Aja44, might have jsut missed it, I opt to switch to aromasin during the ester clearing and pct period due to its added benefits such as increased IGF-1, SHBG reduction amongst others.

I put the HCG in there too.

 

[Brawla]

The original sticky "First Cycle and PCT" seems to be spot on then lol.

So it's not just there for hell of it?

 

[trapzilla]

Lol we're all good, just got off on the wrong foot there.

Cheers for the advice mate. I'm guessing you get a lot of kids on here who just think steroids are the answer to everything eh?

Don't worry I'm not that. Trained/Competed in Muay Thai for the past 8 years, but the past 2 I've really got into my weights, feels like a new challenge for me and I'm enjoying it. Just feel like I'm ready for the next step.

Is more kids at the gym and friends of friends tbh!