Fedor/Hendo

[bio-chem]

Told you it was controversial...

I dont care if God came down and said it was what it was. We, as true fans, have seen plenty of fighters get bad knockdowns and then recover enough times to merit such an uproar. I believe Fedor, even though hes not a champ, deserves a little more time than other fighters. This isnt in the rules, but weve seen it, Carwin/Lesnar comes to mind. Why didnt Carwin get a TKO? How about Carwin/JDS? Why didnt JDS get a TKO? Why am I even mentioning these fights when Fedor "got KOd?"

Cuz hes listed as TKOd. This is from officials, not fans. A TKO is not a KO.

If Fedor is such a bad ass, no, if Dan got that KO securely, why not see what Fedor was going to do when he rolled over?

This was not a "bad knockdown" Fedor was unconscious. Fight was over. end of story. letting him take a worse beating wasn't going to change the outcome. As a "true fan" I'm blown away you are arguing this point

 

[MCx2]

Told you it was controversial...

LOL! 3 people on a bodybuilding forum and some high school kids over at Sherdog doesn't make it controversial.

Why didnt Carwin get a TKO?

Lesnar never went limp. He made a conscious decision to go fetal for a moment (which looked horrible, yes) but still had his wits about him enough to intelligently defend himself.

How about Carwin/JDS?

Because Carwin never went limp. He was conscious the entire fight, and while he took a beating, there was never a point where he completely lost his faculties like Fedor did when his arms turned into noodles, his eyes rolled into his head and he hit the canvas face first unable to defend himself.

If Fedor is such a bad ass, no, if Dan got that KO securely, why not see what Fedor was going to do when he rolled over?

Because no ref, promotion or state athletic commission wants to see a fighter permanently injured, or his career ended because there was an outside chance he might get back up after getting knocked out (yes even for a split second), to win in fantastic fashion. First and foremost MMA is a sport, not a spectacle and in order to protect the integrity of the sport, protecting the participants is paramount.

I've been a member at an MMA forum as long as I have been a member here, and had countless hours of debates and discussion. I respect a few of those guy's opinions like I respected P-Funk here for his training knowledge and like I respect Built's advice when it comes to diet and nutrition. They train, they know fighters and they've watched even more MMA than I have over the years. Every single one of them including the most stubborn motherfucker of them all who is without a doubt the most biased Fedor fan I have ever encountered in my near 6 years on internet forums (although it took 2 hours of bickering in chat and the .gif I posted above to finally change his mind), agree that it was a good stoppage. The only people that don't seem to think it was a good stoppage are the people that somehow seem to think that they got "gypped out" of seeing a potential monumental comeback from the perceived "greatest fighter of all time".

He was out, it was a good stoppage and his time has passed.

 

[MCx2]

Herb Dean Addresses Controversial Fedor Emelianenko vs. Dan Henderson Stoppage - Bloody Elbow

"If I was to do it again ??? if I see a fighter face down receiving shots, I'm going to step in and stop the fight. I can't predict how long he's going to be unconscious for."

"The fight is over when he's unconscious. Because he comes back swiftly after I've already stepped in and stopped the fight, I can't restart the fight. Dan's still throwing punches, but once I've touched Dan, I've stopped the fight."

"I stepped in to support him once he stood up because his balance was still not totally there. I believe his motor control was still questionable... Once I see an unconscious fighter receiving blows while unconscious, that's my job to prevent him from receiving more blows, and that's what I'm going to do"

 

[bio-chem]

LOL! 3 people on a bodybuilding forum and some high school kids over at Sherdog doesn't make it controversial.



Lesnar never went limp. He made a conscious decision to go fetal for a moment (which looked horrible, yes) but still had his wits about him enough to intelligently defend himself.



Because Carwin never went limp. He was conscious the entire fight, and while he took a beating, there was never a point where he completely lost his faculties like Fedor did when his arms turned into noodles, his eyes rolled into his head and he hit the canvas face first unable to defend himself.



Because no ref, promotion or state athletic commission wants to see a fighter permanently injured, or his career ended because there was an outside chance he might get back up after getting knocked out (yes even for a split second), to win in fantastic fashion. First and foremost MMA is a sport, not a spectacle and in order to protect the integrity of the sport, protecting the participants is paramount.

I've been a member at an MMA forum as long as I have been a member here, and had countless hours of debates and discussion. I respect a few of those guy's opinions like I respected P-Funk here for his training knowledge and like I respect Built's advice when it comes to diet and nutrition. They train, they know fighters and they've watched even more MMA than I have over the years. Every single one of them including the most stubborn motherfucker of them all who is without a doubt the most biased Fedor fan I have ever encountered in my near 6 years on internet forums (although it took 2 hours of bickering in chat and the .gif I posted above to finally change his mind), agree that it was a good stoppage. The only people that don't seem to think it was a good stoppage are the people that somehow seem to think that they got "gypped out" of seeing a potential monumental comeback from the perceived "greatest fighter of all time".

He was out, it was a good stoppage and his time has passed.

 

[MCx2]

 

[pitbullguy0101]

fedor is a joke..... i cant believe he is still ranked... i think randy should jump and the badwagon and woop his ass..

 

[ceazur]

 

[Glycomann]

yet another controversial early stoppage by Herb Dean.....he needs to be fined and punished

Actually yeah. It was pretty early stoppage.

 

[fufu]

That was a legit stoppage. Awesome comeback by Hendo... I was disappointed to see Fedor go out like that though. Props to Hendo.

 

[bio-chem]

Actually yeah. It was pretty early stoppage.

So when a fighter goes completely limp, and is totally defenseless the fight should be allowed to go on?

 

[AKIRA]

Herb Dean Addresses Controversial Fedor Emelianenko vs. Dan Henderson Stoppage - Bloody Elbow

If I was Herb Dean, I sure as shit wouldnt admit wrong doing. He has a justification.

Same as Scott Coker. Strikeforce is in bad shape right now. Coker saying that there may had been a cunt hair of a fuck up would not help his organization.

Still no responsive reasoning to why it was ruled as a TKO and not a KO.

 

[AKIRA]

Looks pretty out to me. lol

Faceplant and arms pinned under you in the retard position = not being able to intelligently defend yourself.

By the time Dean pulls him off Dan landed 5 unanswered blows.

Kongo had a farther trip to fall and perhaps 'came to' in enough time to finalize this comeback. This is in a second or a second and a half.

Frankie looked in bad shape from that 2nd blow and it leads me to believe that "Fedor was knocked out" cuz he sure as shit didnt fall elagantly. He was already in a precarious position, but his left arm never goes limp. Barry's goes limp then gets stiff.

These, boys and girls, are knock outs.

No appendages come back from limpness. But these are what happened to Fedor?

 

[apietrosanti86]

the hendo vs. bisping knockout was fucking brutal.

 

[Noheawaiian]

I'm more of a bisbing fan than a hendo fan.

 

[apietrosanti86]

i fucking hate bisping. dude brings nothing spectacular to the table.

 

[Noheawaiian]

I dont like him for his fighting style. Just for the intensity he expresses with his face.

 

[MCx2]

Kongo had a farther trip to fall and perhaps 'came to' in enough time to finalize this comeback. This is in a second or a second and a half.

Frankie looked in bad shape from that 2nd blow and it leads me to believe that "Fedor was knocked out" cuz he sure as shit didnt fall elagantly. He was already in a precarious position, but his left arm never goes limp. Barry's goes limp then gets stiff.

These, boys and girls, are knock outs.

No appendages come back from limpness. But these are what happened to Fedor?

You do realize the Liddell KO pretty much ended his career, right? He was never the same after that brutal KO. Afterwards he got KO'd by a glancing shot from Shogun and KO'd cold by Rich Franklin of all people.

In the Kongo clip it clearly shows him constantly moving, looking to improve position and defending himself. The entire time Barry was wailing on him he was either trying to stand up, working for a take down, or standing up throwing punches. That's called intelligently defending yourself. Not comparable to the Fedor faceplant.

In the Frankie clip, he never stopped moving, he got rocked and he went right into a somersault in the first gif (which it doesn't show) and showed he was still aware of his surroundings in the second gif by throwing his legs up in an attempt to establish butterfly guard and a sweep, thinking Gray was going to drop into a GnP position. That's called intelligently defending yourself. Once again, not comparable to motionless faceplant flash KO of Fedor.

So yes, Fedor did crumple to the mat in the exact same fashion Chuck did, he just happened to roll over on his back a few second later. Doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a KO, albeit a short one. In the second .gif I posted it clearly shows that Fedor couldn't even stand up on his own power. Herb Dean literally catches Fedor in his arms. So if you mean Herb Dean fucked up by saving Fedor some brain cells and prolonging his career, then yeah, you're right. I'm just surprised that someone that claims to know so much about MMA can't make this distinction even by looking at it in slow motion. Fighters all over the world are thanking the gods above that you're not a ref.

 

[irish_2003]

no TRUE American likes Bisping.....he was HANDED the fight over Matt Hamil and was a dick about it too.....

 

[bio-chem]

You do realize the Liddell KO pretty much ended his career, right? He was never the same after that brutal KO. Afterwards he got KO'd by a glancing shot from Shogun and KO'd cold by Rich Franklin of all people.

In the Kongo clip it clearly shows him constantly moving, looking to improve position and defending himself. The entire time Barry was wailing on him he was either trying to stand up, working for a take down, or standing up throwing punches. That's called intelligently defending yourself. Not comparable to the Fedor faceplant.

In the Frankie clip, he never stopped moving, he got rocked and he went right into a somersault in the first gif (which it doesn't show) and showed he was still aware of his surroundings in the second gif by throwing his legs up in an attempt to establish butterfly guard and a sweep, thinking Gray was going to drop into a GnP position. That's called intelligently defending yourself. Once again, not comparable to motionless faceplant flash KO of Fedor.

So yes, Fedor did crumple to the mat in the exact same fashion Chuck did, he just happened to roll over on his back a few second later. Doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a KO, albeit a short one. In the second .gif I posted it clearly shows that Fedor couldn't even stand up on his own power. Herb Dean literally catches Fedor in his arms. So if you mean Herb Dean fucked up by saving Fedor some brain cells and prolonging his career, then yeah, you're right. I'm just surprised that someone that claims to know so much about MMA can't make this distinction even by looking at it in slow motion. Fighters all over the world are thanking the gods above that you're not a ref.

couldn't have put it better myself. Fedor fight was ruled appropriately. The outcome was certain the second his body went limp and he kissed the canvas. no extra amount of time was going to do anything other than let his already rattled brain take more damage.

 

[bio-chem]

Still no responsive reasoning to why it was ruled as a TKO and not a KO.

you're expecting one of us to give you a reasoning?

 

[AKIRA]

you're expecting one of us to give you a reasoning?

Well why not? You ladies say he was out, yet its ruled as a TKO. I could be a lil more close minded and accept it for what the ref said and Id still have this question. Herb moves to stop the fight after the alleged knockout, NOT the hits to the back of the head. However, Fedor is still moving. If its not a clear cut KO, then Fedor wasnt out. In other words, his stoppage was similar to this:

But Tito isnt KOd, hes TKOd. Hes not out. Tito had 9 seconds to resort to some sort of defense. Fedor has 1-2 seconds. It is in my best interest to accept a higher possibility that Herb stopped the fight prematurely rather than seeing if Fedor was going to defend. Granted, if I just started watching MMA 3 years ago, I might agree.

 

[AKIRA]

You do realize the Liddell KO pretty much ended his career, right? He was never the same after that brutal KO. Afterwards he got KO'd by a glancing shot from Shogun and KO'd cold by Rich Franklin of all people.

In the Kongo clip it clearly shows him constantly moving, looking to improve position and defending himself. The entire time Barry was wailing on him he was either trying to stand up, working for a take down, or standing up throwing punches. That's called intelligently defending yourself. Not comparable to the Fedor faceplant.

In the Frankie clip, he never stopped moving, he got rocked and he went right into a somersault in the first gif (which it doesn't show) and showed he was still aware of his surroundings in the second gif by throwing his legs up in an attempt to establish butterfly guard and a sweep, thinking Gray was going to drop into a GnP position. That's called intelligently defending yourself. Once again, not comparable to motionless faceplant flash KO of Fedor.

So yes, Fedor did crumple to the mat in the exact same fashion Chuck did, he just happened to roll over on his back a few second later. Doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a KO, albeit a short one. In the second .gif I posted it clearly shows that Fedor couldn't even stand up on his own power. Herb Dean literally catches Fedor in his arms. So if you mean Herb Dean fucked up by saving Fedor some brain cells and prolonging his career, then yeah, you're right. I'm just surprised that someone that claims to know so much about MMA can't make this distinction even by looking at it in slow motion. Fighters all over the world are thanking the gods above that you're not a ref.

I would think fighters around the world would know if they won or lost for sure if I reffed. If I am a trained fighter and I fight for a living, no one better step in, but safety first right?

Whats interesting about this "safety" way of thinking is that its only used when there is a controversy. I wonder if you cheered when Hendo threw that extra DANGEROUS strike while Bisping was out cold or were you ready to call for a disqualification after the fact? I dont think you cried for Bisping and I didnt either. It was awesome and an exclamation point on the KO. However, Fedor's "KO" isnt as glamorous.

Fedor's fall is hilarious looking and embarrassing, but you dont have to look cool to win or lose. I am going to respond in a post similar to what was already said on my facebook as MC and I know each other personally.
Fedor's stoppage was within a second, a split second. His fall was maybe 2 feet. The other gifs I provided had fighters dropping from a stance, giving them about as much time it took Fedor to recover. It just so happens, Fedor's fall was shorter and his face hit. In all reality, I cant see how else he wouldve fallen from a KNOCKDOWN in that precarious position.

That being said, Herb saw the faceplant, panicked, and stopped the fight. His stop is justified by the rules cuz the Fedor was hurt. But he wasnt out. Herb looked out for Fedor's safety and ruled that over being sorry. We understand it. I understand that it was a TKO cuz Fedor wasnt KOd. I am personally biased as I hardly ever agree with any TKOs and after seeing early stoppage after early stoppage, it is clear to me that a TKO does not mean its a KO.

Another repeater, Dan AND Fedor are vet fighters that have been tagged again and again. They go the distance and they shouldve here. Again, I understand the TKO. I dont like it, but I get it. Why dont I like it? Cuz I wanted to see just a couple seconds longer of these legends fight. Whats so wrong with that?

 

[AKIRA]

couldn't have put it better myself. Fedor fight was ruled appropriately. The outcome was certain the second his body went limp and he kissed the canvas. no extra amount of time was going to do anything other than let his already rattled brain take more damage.

You dont know that. I see what you mean, but you dont, I dont, MC doesnt, and most of all, Herb doesnt know if thats a certainty.

Shit, bio, Ive seen you debate about anything and everything. I think you just like to argue. I wouldnt be surprised that you go from thread to thread and possibly person to person to find arguments where there is no definite side, giving you the chance to pick a side and debate.

 

[MCx2]

Well why not? You ladies say he was out, yet its ruled as a TKO. I could be a lil more close minded and accept it for what the ref said and Id still have this question. Herb moves to stop the fight after the alleged knockout, NOT the hits to the back of the head. However, Fedor is still moving. If its not a clear cut KO, then Fedor wasnt out. In other words, his stoppage was similar to this:

But Tito isnt KOd, hes TKOd. Hes not out. Tito had 9 seconds to resort to some sort of defense. Fedor has 1-2 seconds. Ill address this point when I reply to MC.

Jesus Fucking Christ.. How is that even close to what happened to Fedor? One punch floored Fedor, not a flurry. And Tito pretty much falls under his own power in this clip, bailing on Chuck's barrage.

I seriously don't know if I've ever seen someone in more denial about something in my life. Fedor was fucking limp man. It's getting embarrassing. It was so clear, you're the only person left talking about it. Like I said on Facebook, if there was seriously a controversy, Fedor's camp would be appealing the decision. Anyone with half a brain can see that Fedor was out cold for a split second and by MMA rules, THAT'S IT.

Why did they rule it a TKO? I have no fucking idea. But even in boxing this would have been a TKO, and they get a standing count. After Fedor stood up (which would have been at the count of 4 or 5 at least in boxing) he stumbles and Herb literally catches him. That's when the ref would have waved a boxing match off. So not only was it a good call in MMA, it would have been a good call in a sport that you typically get 10 seconds to gather your wits. I've given you at least 10 reasons as to why it's a good stoppage.. If you want to know why they ruled it a TKO as opposed to a KO, WRITE THE FUCKING COMMISSION!

 

[AKIRA]

Think of it this way kiddos, if this was a legal matter, do you believe without a shadow of reasonable doubt that Fedor was knocked out?

Doesnt matter now anyway, well never know:

White: Fedor Cut from Strikeforce

 

[AKIRA]

Jesus Fucking Christ.. How is that even close to what happened to Fedor? One punch floored Fedor, not a flurry. And Tito pretty much falls under his own power in this clip, bailing on Chuck's barrage.

I seriously don't know if I've ever seen someone in more denial about something in my life. Fedor was fucking limp man. It's getting embarrassing. It was so clear, you're the only person left talking about it. Like I said on Facebook, if there was seriously a controversy, Fedor's camp would be appealing the decision. Anyone with half a brain can see that Fedor was out cold for a split second and by MMA rules, THAT'S IT.

Why did they rule it a TKO? I have no fucking idea. But even in boxing this would have been a TKO, and they get a standing count. After Fedor stood up (which would have been at the count of 4 or 5 at least in boxing) he stumbles and Herb literally catches him. That's when the ref would have waved a boxing match off. So not only was it a good call in MMA, it would have been a good call in a sport that you typically get 10 seconds to gather your wits. I've given you at least 10 reasons as to why it's a good stoppage.. If you want to know why they ruled it a TKO as opposed to a KO, WRITE THE FUCKING COMMISSION!

What can I say. Early stoppage was early. You thought it was fine. Why cuss? I dont agree and I never shall.

 

[MCx2]

I would think fighters around the world would know if they won or lost for sure if I reffed. If I am a trained fighter and I fight for a living, no one better step in, but safety first right? I explained this to you earlier also, but I guess you missed it. Fighters are their own worst enemies, of course they'd fight to the death in most occasions and there would be no MMA or UFC..

Whats interesting about this "safety" way of thinking is that its only used when there is a controversy. I wonder if you cheered when Hendo threw that extra DANGEROUS strike while Bisping was out cold or were you ready to call for a disqualification after the fact? I dont think you cried for Bisping and I didnt either. It was awesome and an exclamation point on the KO. However, Fedor's "KO" isnt as glamorous. Nope. I cringed when he landed that second shot. It doesn't take a genius to tell when someone has had enough, so you'd think anyway. Me and a room full of people were also cringing Saturday night, because we thought Herb's stoppage was slow and sloppy. Fedor took 4-5 unnecessary shots.

Fedor's fall is hilarious looking and embarrassing, but you dont have to look cool to win or lose. I am going to respond in a post similar to what was already said on my facebook as MC and I know each other personally.
Fedor's stoppage was within a second, a split second. His fall was maybe 2 feet. The other gifs I provided had fighters dropping from a stance, giving them about as much time it took Fedor to recover. It just so happens, Fedor's fall was shorter and his face hit. In all reality, I cant see how else he wouldve fallen from a KNOCKDOWN in that precarious position. He would have faceplanted from the rafters dude, he was out cold.

That being said, Herb saw the faceplant, panicked, and stopped the fight. His stop is justified by the rules cuz the Fedor was hurt. But he wasnt out. Herb looked out for Fedor's safety and ruled that over being sorry. We understand it. I understand that it was a TKO cuz Fedor wasnt KOd. I am personally biased as I hardly ever agree with any TKOs and after seeing early stoppage after early stoppage, it is clear to me that a TKO does not mean its a KO. Well.. As long as you admit that you're biased, we can stop talking about it right now...

Another repeater, Dan AND Fedor are vet fighters that have been tagged again and again. They go the distance and they shouldve here. Again, I understand the TKO. I dont like it, but I get it. Why dont I like it? Cuz I wanted to see just a couple seconds longer of these legends fight. Whats so wrong with that? I've explained that at least 3 times now also. What's wrong with that? Fedor was obviously finished. More punishment would have been negligence on the part of the ref and on the part of the sanctioning commission.

And, lol. I'm not mad. I'm flabbergasted that you went away to college and actually got dumber. I feel like I'm trying to teach calculus to Hellen Keller.

 

[MCx2]

Here. This guy disagrees with both of us. He's generally a douche bag, but I see his point. He outlines that the majority of people who have an opinion on the stoppage, see it as a good one. He also makes a case for the minority who saw it as bad.

Herb Dean's Stoppage Of Fedor Vs. Henderson More Imperfect Than Good Or Bad - MMA Nation

By Luke Thomas - MMA Senior Editor

When Herb Dean stopped the fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Dan Henderson on Saturday night at Strikeforce, his stoppage was neither good nor bad. It was imperfect, but wholly appropriate. Luke Thomas makes the case that the vocabulary of stoppage classification is distorting our ability to properly evaluate them.

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Aug 1, 2011 - Speaking anecdotally, most observers view Herb Dean's decision to stop the fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Dan Henderson as the right one. However, there is a vocal minority who underscore Emelianenko made a natural if basic defensive maneuver directly after Dean's interference. In other words, there's some debate about whether the stoppage was good or bad.

The truth is it was neither, at least as we traditionally use the terms, and the vocabulary of defining stoppages as 'either-or' limits our ability to properly evaluate referee stoppages.

MMA currently views stoppages as a function of a binary system: they're either 'good' or 'bad'. These terms have some value as a designation and there is a difference between them, but are ultimately too narrow. What Fedor Emelianenko vs. Dan Henderson teaches us is that we're using the wrong language to describe referee stoppages and thus thinking about them in ways that obscure important nuance.

Dean's stoppage is 'bad' if what we are seeking is cleanliness. It isn't merely surgical precision we are asking of referee, but perfect execution of the duties discharged to them in a moment of obvious and unequivocal need. Ememlianko turning face up at the very moment or just after Dean's intervention suggests to some the fighter was prevented from continuing before he could rally a defense while he was capable of rallying a defense. And they have a point.

The suggestion Emelianenko was unconscious and woken up by subsequent punches is, at best, conjecture. The video tape is entirely inconclusive. I dismiss these arguments out of hand.

Other arguments, though, suggest because Emelianenko seemed wobbled and hurt as he stood to his feet after the fight was stopped, and that therefore the stoppage was good, are completely immaterial. Fighters are permitted, routinely I might add, to compete rocked, hurt or in sundry other dubious cognitive states. While I admit UFC lightweight champion Frankie Edgar did more in terms of self defense and evasive maneuvering, he also fought incredibly hurt for at least a full MMA round if not more against Gray Maynard at UFC 125. Fighting rocked isn't a deal breaker, it's part of the game. What we're looking for is the tipping point where competing hurt turns into not competing much at all.

And that's where things on Saturday night get muddled.

Emelianenko sliding face first and going limp after eating Henderson's right hand is about the surest physical sign to referees that a fighter is either in huge trouble or out altogether. Referees are taught that going face first (and in this case, limp) is worse than falling back first, at least in many cases. That Henderson was able to quickly jump on top of Emelianenko and follow with two more hard, unanswered punches (arguably illegal punches, although somewhat understandable given the conditions) told Dean that Emelianenko was in serious danger if the bout wasn't stopped.

Dean is not a mind reader. He cannot use telepathy to sense if a fighter has lost key cognitive awareness. He does his job by gathering physical cues from basic human senses and uses that, to the best of his ability, to make a decision about what is in the fighters' best interest. Emelianenko going limp is the sort of dead giveaway that impermissible trouble is a punch or two away if Dean doesn't do his job.

Yet, despite going limp and being obviously hurt, Fedor quickly turned over just after the fight was stopped. This isn't some monumental achievement and perhaps the product of muscle memory or instinctive reaction. But it could also be an instance of Emelianenko trying to intelligently defend himself. We won't ever really know and neither group that view that stoppage as good or bad can be truly sure.

What we do know is this fight teaches us referee Herb Dean was obeying proper protocol and yet, proper protocol might not be always enough when it comes to giving competitive fighters every chance they deserve.

What the MMA community has to accept is that there is a natural gap between what constitutes a proper stoppage according to referee protocol and a fighter being completely, cleanly incapacitated. The two are not mutually exclusive. It is both possible for the referee to do their job to the letter of the law and simultaneously prevent a fighter who potentially could've offered more. The overwhelming majority of stoppages, both 'good' and 'bad', are defined in two parts: the decision of the referee to end the bout at the appropriate time and the fight itself organically taking a turn that called for action. In the case of Fedor vs. Henderson, we have the former without having the latter.

Our rules that govern referee behavior are excellent. I am in no way suggesting this fight proves they need to be amended. They intuitively make sense, prioritize fighter safety appropriately and have a demonstrated record of working. Yet, they do not and, realistically, cannot solve for the totality of professional MMA bouts without some measure of controversy. That's true even when the referee is employing best practices.

This fight stoppage was neither 'good' nor 'bad' as we traditionally define those terms. What we know for certain is Dean had cause to act and there is some evidence Emelianenko had more to give. The two will live in conflict forever and that's ok. That's just part of the game.

 

[Tesla]

 

[Shadowcam]

No mma section obviously. One more reason this forum is a joke.