might be bunk cause aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. where as the serms-block the receptors and other ai block the aromatization. so your e levels should be lower right guys???
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feeling really bad in week 5 of test e
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might be bunk cause aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. where as the serms-block the receptors and other ai block the aromatization. so your e levels should be lower right guys???
My hunger dropped off last week. I was eating everything in sight but this week I don't have much of an appetite anymore even though I'm pushing hard in the gym.
25 and I've never had body fat tested but I'd guess 15-20%. Ill up my calories.
pharmaceutical aromasin from ADC (india)
And I only did a gram last week, it was 500 before that. I'm going to try 650 for the next week
You should have a boner in the morn thats just not right =]... haha but I would try another source for your aromasin or bump up the dose if you really feel its not bunk.. and you will need it for your PCT.. The other ai dont work as well for pct from what i understand.
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What is considered to low on estro
Less than 10
redclift35
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Hi eman2424,
Dont worry I too have a screwed up T/E ratio causing me a bunch of issues including ED> My test is 800 with an E2 value of 74. I am on week one of Arimidex. I will be testing in 2 weeks. I am 35 205lbs and no gear. As of now there is no morning wood as of yet I am taking 1mg of arimidex EOD. Well hell, if you feel like shit with a ratio of 24:1, its no wonder i feel like licking the concrete at 10:1.
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Thanks a lot good to know I'm not the only one who has issues with slightly raised e2 levels. I don't know how some guys run test cycles without AIs.
Do you have psychological symptoms also?
anabolix250
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Eman great info here. I am sort of in the same boat on week 6 of test E and the feeling i Had from week 3 etc has dropped off. I have not been taking an AI although I have liquid Stane on hand. Think I am going for some blood work. Did not think that it could be the cause because I have not had any bloating or gyno symptoms.....weird.
Good Luck
Good Luck
redclift35
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Wow, that is an understatement. This is nutz. I really hope this gets better and phukn fast
My Neuroendo, has me on 1mg EOD, which I think is crazy. Everything else checks out fine so hopefully this resolves it. The Mental issues are out of this world. You need to get arimidex and get tested every 2-3 weeks and go from symptoms and lab values, at least thats my game plan. A good/healthy T:E Ratio is 30-50:1 but dont quote me on that. GOOD LUCK.
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i dont understand feeling the test by week 4 ive done cypionate and felt great after a week at 500 mgs... i put on 10 lbs by week 2, yeah water of course but i did get stronger
It seems you hit the nail on the head.
Results were test >1500 and estradiol at 62.3. So that depression I was feeling... is that what it's like to be a woman? I must be super sensitive to e2!
On another note, my AST is 97 and ALT is 125. I'm going to start daily NAC and liv52.
I'm going to continue the shots for another week or so and see how I feel. I'm definitely dropping the finasteride to .5mg every other day. Something started making me feel like shit the last week and I hope it was just the high e2.
Should I continue aromasin or try another AI? Has anyone noticed emotional issues on aromasin that are not present with another AI? I have letro and arimidex on hand.
Start taking 12.5mg of Aromasin ED, if that don't do it within a week go to 25mg ED!
so that gram from last week is making me sweat bullets!
i dropped the finasteride and the morning wood and performance is top notch!
be careful with finasteride... it killed me downstairs @ 1mg ED
What are you dosing at now? Test and Aromasin?
Hallelujah!
redclift35
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Can anyone with a high libido, verify their T:E Ratio? Please verify if this statement is true "the ratio of testosterone to estradiol for a 20 year old man is between 20 and 40".
Your estradiol, the most abundant form of Estrogen, reading is just as important as your testosterone reading. The normal range is usually 13-54 pg/ml, but what is really critical is the ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Young males have ratios of 30, 40, 50, etc. You could have a healthy total testosterone reading of 500, but if your estrogen is 50, you are probably going to be struggling.
Thank you
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Symptoms.htm
Your estradiol, the most abundant form of Estrogen, reading is just as important as your testosterone reading. The normal range is usually 13-54 pg/ml, but what is really critical is the ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Young males have ratios of 30, 40, 50, etc. You could have a healthy total testosterone reading of 500, but if your estrogen is 50, you are probably going to be struggling.
Thank you
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Symptoms.htm
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My last blood work I had done showed:
Serum Testosterone: 696 Reference Interval: 249-836
Free Testosterone: 27.91 Reference Interval: 5.00-21.00
Estradiol, Sensitive: 42 Reference Interval: 3-70
And yes I have a very High Libito
Although I would have liked to see my Estro levels around 25-30!
Serum Testosterone: 696 Reference Interval: 249-836
Free Testosterone: 27.91 Reference Interval: 5.00-21.00
Estradiol, Sensitive: 42 Reference Interval: 3-70
And yes I have a very High Libito
Although I would have liked to see my Estro levels around 25-30!
redclift35
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My last blood work I had done showed:
Serum Testosterone: 696 Reference Interval: 249-836
Free Testosterone: 27.91 Reference Interval: 5.00-21.00
Estradiol, Sensitive: 42 Reference Interval: 3-70
And yes I have a very High Libito
Although I would have liked to see my Estro levels around 25-30!
Very interesting, it sounds like the FT and the estradiol is the thing to look at , maybe
Exactly!
Calves of Steel
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Remember, the increased sex drive and feeling of well being from test is not only from test. DHT and E2 play a big part in it. By taking finasteride and Aromasin in an attempt to decrease the side effects of your cycle you may have just changed the side effects of your cycle. Based on the blood work and your symptoms, my best guess (and i'm not an MD) is that the finasteride was your biggest culprit. Did you have DHT tested too? I know 2 people personally who have taken it, one for BPH who's never done AAS and another who was trying to keep hair on cycle. Both have said it does a number on their mood and libido.
62 is high for E2, you would have been better off with twice that dosage of aromasin. Plus with depressed DHT levels the effects of the E2 would be more noticeable.
Last but not least, sometimes other conditions like anemia or high blood pressure can feel like nervousness or anxiety. Always good to have blood pressure checked on cycle. Good luck man I hope everything turns out alright. You never know how your body is going to react a foreign substance. Some people are luckier than others and the side effects are usually worse your first time around. GL bro.
62 is high for E2, you would have been better off with twice that dosage of aromasin. Plus with depressed DHT levels the effects of the E2 would be more noticeable.
Last but not least, sometimes other conditions like anemia or high blood pressure can feel like nervousness or anxiety. Always good to have blood pressure checked on cycle. Good luck man I hope everything turns out alright. You never know how your body is going to react a foreign substance. Some people are luckier than others and the side effects are usually worse your first time around. GL bro.
Calves of Steel
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my bad I didn't even read the second page of this thread before typing all that! Glad to see everything worked out.
Derek76
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First Time On Testosterone, Will I feel different now, that I'm starting week 5
I apologize for my lack of knowledge concerning this issue. I have not been on here before and this is my first time on testosterone. 5 Weeks ago I was tested and my T-levels were really low. So...my doctor started injecting me with test cyp. every two weeks. I go in for my third shot tomorrow. My question is : will I start noticing something soon? i have been running 6 miles every other day and lifting each body part about every 5 days. I don't really feel that "energy" everyone talks about and haven't really noticed much in gains. Am I on a really low dose not to notice anything? My Dr. said it would help with libido (which is has very much) and help me build muscle while burning fat. I'm just wondering if I'm going to feel something soon now that it's been a while and if there is anything else I can take to get super lean and cut? Thanks so much and excuse my ignorance.
I apologize for my lack of knowledge concerning this issue. I have not been on here before and this is my first time on testosterone. 5 Weeks ago I was tested and my T-levels were really low. So...my doctor started injecting me with test cyp. every two weeks. I go in for my third shot tomorrow. My question is : will I start noticing something soon? i have been running 6 miles every other day and lifting each body part about every 5 days. I don't really feel that "energy" everyone talks about and haven't really noticed much in gains. Am I on a really low dose not to notice anything? My Dr. said it would help with libido (which is has very much) and help me build muscle while burning fat. I'm just wondering if I'm going to feel something soon now that it's been a while and if there is anything else I can take to get super lean and cut? Thanks so much and excuse my ignorance.
