Going to be starting my 2nd cycle soon.

[03SVS]

Here is my next cycle.

weeks 1-10 700mg Test E separated into 2 shots @ 350mg/ml
weeks 1-10 200mg of Deca 100mg into each shot with Test E.
Week 14 Will start tamoxifen daily. It's already on hand.

My last cycle I did 500mg/wk for 8 weeks and gained 22lbs. My last pin was in April though lol. So as of right now I am 157 @ 5' 10" I was up to 164 at last pin. I of course lost a little bit. I will be eating like a mad man when the cycle starts. Of course it made me have a serious appetite last cycle.

Anyways, going for that 300lb raw bench press while weighing around 160-170. Hoping to deadlift 350-400, my last time was 315. Wish me great gains.

Oh and also going to try and pin my delts, and quads this time around, my last cycle was all in the glutes.

 

[pieguy]

You wanna cycle at 157 lbs @ 5'10"? Wth... Oh well, to each his own.

Stop the Deca 2 weeks before the test or push the test out two weeks further. Maybe run a dbol/adrol kicker and don't forget to run an AI while on cycle like aromasin. Don't use taxomifen in PCT, use Clomid + Aromasin. DO NOT use tamoxifen on cycle for gyno protection, just use Aromasin.

If you want, you can use HCG 500iu bi-weekly to help with recovery. This is a personal choice although it does make recovery easier.

 

[Mooksman]

add hcg and eat more

 

[03SVS]

Never tried Aromasin, how much will I need to be taking daily? I will start researching it now though.

My last cycle I held my weight and gains all the way till August, so I believe the tamoxifen helped quite a bit. Do you just personally not like it, or have you seen negative effects from it?

 

[pieguy]

Never tried Aromasin, how much will I need to be taking daily? I will start researching it now though.

My last cycle I held my weight and gains all the way till August, so I believe the tamoxifen helped quite a bit. Do you just personally not like it, or have you seen negative effects from it?

I think you need to do a lot more research overall cause it seems like you're taking drugs you don't fully understand.

Aromasin deactivates the estrogen that occurs from the influx of synthetic test and deca you'll be using. At a dosage of 12.5mg every other day or every day, you should be able to keep it under control. During pct, you want to run aromasin 25mg every day for 2 weeks, then 12.5mg every day for another 2 weeks.

In PCT, you'll want to use clomid instead of nolvadex to restart your natural test production. Clomid increases LH and FSH.

Now what you're not getting at is you don't really want to use tamoixfen (aka nolvadex) on a 19-nor, a type of steroid. The 19-nor's that are popular are deca, npp (the two nandrolones), parabolan and trenbolone acetate (the tren's, damn powerful). When you run 19-nors, you also have to use something to combat prolactin levels. The two drugs for this are pramiprexole and cabergolin, use either or. Now the thing is, at 200mg weekly of deca, i don't think you'll need to use these but you still need to keep your estrogen in check with aromasin. Let aromasin slip and you'll grow boobs.

 

[03SVS]

I think you need to do a lot more research overall cause it seems like you're taking drugs you don't fully understand.

Aromasin deactivates the estrogen that occurs from the influx of synthetic test and deca you'll be using. At a dosage of 12.5mg every other day or every day, you should be able to keep it under control. During pct, you want to run aromasin 25mg every day for 2 weeks, then 12.5mg every day for another 2 weeks.

In PCT, you'll want to use clomid instead of nolvadex to restart your natural test production. Clomid increases LH and FSH.

Now what you're not getting at is you don't really want to use tamoixfen (aka nolvadex) on a 19-nor, a type of steroid. The 19-nor's that are popular are deca, npp (the two nandrolones), parabolan and trenbolone acetate (the tren's, damn powerful). When you run 19-nors, you also have to use something to combat prolactin levels. The two drugs for this are pramiprexole and cabergolin, use either or. Now the thing is, at 200mg weekly of deca, i don't think you'll need to use these but you still need to keep your estrogen in check with aromasin. Let aromasin slip and you'll grow boobs.

Well I don't know all the scientific names of everything but I had a good idea why I was taking what I was. This is my first time adding in Deca, so yes I am new to this hormone. I just knew that once the ester wore off on after the last pin I had read that tamoxifen was the best way to jump start natural test.

Another question, I know that some estrogen is needed in the male body to build muscle. So will taking aromasin while in cycle combat the gains? Or does this just keep the steroid from aromatizing into estrogen and giving me the man boobs?

Last cycle I did notice puffier nipples and much more sensitive, which I know this is normal to an extent. Is this what aromasin will help deter? Another thing, when starting my PCT I even noticed myself that I became quickly angered, just very short fused. Has it been shown clomid does a better job at this than tamoxifen? Bc like I said when I researched this; at the time everyone said Nolva over clomid.

Sorry to type a page.

 

[GMO]

I think you need to do a lot more research overall cause it seems like you're taking drugs you don't fully understand.

^^^This

...and at 157lbs, it is not AAS you need, but FOOD. If you can't grow any larger than that, something is wrong with your diet or training routine...or both. AAS is not the answer for you bro. Learn to train and eat right, and you will gain weight.

At this point, I would post your diet and training routine in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first. Until you get that dialed in, AAS are going to do nothing for you. You may get a little larger while on, but after you stop you WILL lose it b/c you lack the necessary knowledge of proper diet and training...not too mention PCT protocols.

 

[SloppyJ]

Sorry but I have to agree. Last time I was under 160 was in 9th grade.

 

[03SVS]

My first cycle I was 135-140, jumped up to 164 of course I was strict on my diet. Nowadays I have slacked off so a few lbs have been lost. It seems that AAS IS the only way I've been able to gain weight. I've tried multiple different diets before AAS, nothing worked for me. That's from eating everything (not junk food either) and taking in weight gainer protein shakes like crazy. On top of all that also taking creatine. Never fluctuated. It's my genes, my family are all smaller statures with high metabolisms.

The AAS has already been ordered and on it's way. I can see now that my body can handle being at 160, I just needed that boost to get even up to that weight. Oh and I never even do cardio anymore. Last time while on cycle I started doing cardio 3x that week. I lost 5lbs that week, so I quit that.

 

[suprfast]

Sorry but I have to agree. Last time I was under 160 was in 9th grade.

now thats some genetics

I think i entered ninth grade about that weight and held it strong through 11th. Thank you x-country and track.

 

[aja44]

I dont think they are saying your not eating the right foods. Until you post your diet for say the last 2 or 3 days that cannot be determined. But if your 160lb, you should be eating for the next 6-12 months like a bulk and trying to take in 4000 calories a day, again still eating the right foods. Have you ever run your macro's on FitDay?

I have to agree with something else that was said which is AAS is not what you need now. I would also like to see your workout routine and see if your missing the ball there as well. Sometimes over training will cause you to not gain weight and size and you need to split things up better and do more compound exercises and less reps/sets.

Just my two cents....

 

[03SVS]

6:30am - Bowl of cereal (quick and easy) (300 cals)

8am - Oatmeal granola bar (120 cals)

9am - Protein shake 580 calories 55 g protein

12pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, spaghetti or tuna (left-overs) (I would think 800-1000 cals)

1:30PM - another protein shake (580 cals)

5:30 - After work snack is usually mixed nuts. 1 cup.

6pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, or spaghetti

8pm - After supper snack which is mixed peanuts, or peanut butter and crackers. Sometime a few slices of an apple.

I drink water with every meal, never any cokes. I don't really count calories so I don't know how many I truly take in but that's a usual day for me when I'm strict. I also might add that even while on this diet, without AAS I gain no weight if you can believe it. On AAS, I gain 24 lbs.

 

[suprfast]

6:30am - Bowl of cereal (quick and easy) (300 cals)

8am - Oatmeal granola bar (120 cals)

9am - Protein shake 580 calories 55 g protein

12pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, spaghetti or tuna (left-overs) (I would think 800-1000 cals)

1:30PM - another protein shake (580 cals)

5:30 - After work snack is usually mixed nuts. 1 cup.

6pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, or spaghetti

8pm - After supper snack which is mixed peanuts, or peanut butter and crackers. Sometime a few slices of an apple.

I drink water with every meal, never any cokes. I don't really count calories so I don't know how many I truly take in but that's a usual day for me when I'm strict. I also might add that even while on this diet, without AAS I gain no weight if you can believe it. On AAS, I gain 24 lbs.

That is low calories. I can stomach this before lunch. The issue we might find is you are not posting the amounts. Some "chicken breast or 80/20 beef" doesnt really tell us much if you are eating a 4oz piece of chicken or a single 1/6lb patty. Its not the AAS, its your diet. It looks great for someone trying to stay 160lbs.

I do see a heavy protein shake and wonder what you put in it. I would start drinking a few more calories, ie whole milk, olive oil(put it in your shake), etc. It is honestly the easiest way to shoot up your calories in a day. there is so much you can do its not funny. It looks very clean, which is not an issue, just small. Treat yourself to a dennys grand slam breakfast every day next week and see if you dont gain weight.

 

[03SVS]

My workout:

Mon- Chest day
3 sets of flat bench @ 6-10 reps.
3x incline 6-10 reps
6x flys 10 reps (I use cable machine 1 set lower and 1 even)
5x rack lock-outs 5 reps.

Tues - Back day
3x seated rows 10 reps
3x lat pull downs 10 reps
3x incline pull 10 reps
3x straight pull downs 10 reps
1x pull ups 10-15 reps

Wed - Bi's and tri's
3x dumbell curl 10 reps
3x hammer curls 10 reps
3x preacher curl 10 reps
3x reverse curl 10 reps
burn-out one armed cable curl
3x overhead tri ext 10 reps
3x heavy weighted dips 6-10 reps
3x close grip press 10 reps
3x rope push downs 10 reps
burn out with over head rope extensions

Thur - legs
3x leg press 10 reps
3x leg curl 10 reps
3x leg extensions 10 reps
3x deadlifts 3-6 reps
3x calf raises 10 reps

Fri - shoulders
3x military press 8-10 reps
3x smilies 10 reps
3x front raises 10 reps
3x lateral side raises
1x arnolds x reps
burnout doing shoulder press 20 sec many as you can, 20 sec as many lateral raises you can do, 20 sec doing as many shoulder presses again.

That's what my week looks like. I do all this in 1 hour. Please tell if this is sufficient enough lol.

 

[suprfast]

Holy volume on WED batman.

 

[03SVS]

That is low calories. I can stomach this before lunch. The issue we might find is you are not posting the amounts. Some "chicken breast or 80/20 beef" doesnt really tell us much if you are eating a 4oz piece of chicken or a single 1/6lb patty. Its not the AAS, its your diet. It looks great for someone trying to stay 160lbs.

I do see a heavy protein shake and wonder what you put in it. I would start drinking a few more calories, ie whole milk, olive oil(put it in your shake), etc. It is honestly the easiest way to shoot up your calories in a day. there is so much you can do its not funny. It looks very clean, which is not an issue, just small. Treat yourself to a dennys grand slam breakfast every day next week and see if you dont gain weight.

It's usually 1 chicken breast, probably 8oz of 80/20 beef if I had to guess on the beef. I can put away some food it's just I'm also doing a sort of physical job all day to. So it's hard to eat a meal other than lunch.

 

[malfeasance]

6:30am - Bowl of cereal (quick and easy) (300 cals) Where is the protein? What kind of cereal? Most cereal is just a bunch of sugar. Do you think you can build muscle by eating spoonfuls of sugar? Eat a cup (dry, measured before cooking) of regular, plain oatmeal. Add 7 extra large eggs and one or two pieces of whole grain toast.

8am - Oatmeal granola bar (120 cals) What? Why? Do you always eat crap? And you think this is about your genetics?

9am - Protein shake 580 calories 55 g protein Your first protein of the day, and the only protein in the first half of the day, is liquid? Why? How are you supposed to build muscle?

12pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, spaghetti or tuna (left-overs) (I would think 800-1000 cals) Finally!

1:30PM - another protein shake (580 cals) Sigh. Can't do it with liquid.

5:30 - After work snack is usually mixed nuts. 1 cup. Crap, five and a half hours without more chicken? Where is the 3:00 chicken breast (at least half a pound) and rice? You still think this is about genetics?

6pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, or spaghetti Wow, six hours. You are starving your muscles of protein.

8pm - After supper snack which is mixed peanuts, or peanut butter and crackers. Sometime a few slices of an apple. Try cottage cheese and almonds.

I drink water with every meal, never any cokes. Good!

I also might add that even while on this diet, without AAS I gain no weight if you can believe it. Oh, I can believe it. Your diet is CRAP! Fix it.

 

[pieguy]

What a shitty workout... Jeesus christ.

Fri - shoulders
3x military press 8-10 reps
3x smilies 10 reps
3x front raises 10 reps
3x lateral side raises
1x arnolds x reps

Wtf is a smiley? Anybody who lifts 5 x a week who isn't over 180 lbs at your height usually doesn't know what they're doing. Your routine just helps shows this.

 

[03SVS]

6:30am - Bowl of cereal (quick and easy) (300 cals) Where is the protein? What kind of cereal? Most cereal is just a bunch of sugar. Do you think you can build muscle by eating spoonfuls of sugar? Eat a cup (dry, measured before cooking) of regular, plain oatmeal. Add 7 extra large eggs and one or two pieces of whole grain toast.

8am - Oatmeal granola bar (120 cals) What? Why? Do you always eat crap? And you think this is about your genetics?

9am - Protein shake 580 calories 55 g protein Your first protein of the day, and the only protein in the first half of the day, is liquid? Why? How are you supposed to build muscle?

12pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, spaghetti or tuna (left-overs) (I would think 800-1000 cals) Finally!

1:30PM - another protein shake (580 cals) Sigh. Can't do it with liquid.

5:30 - After work snack is usually mixed nuts. 1 cup. Crap, five and a half hours without more chicken? Where is the 3:00 chicken breast (at least half a pound) and rice? You still think this is about genetics?

6pm - either chicken breast, or 80/20 beef and 2-3 veggies, or spaghetti Wow, six hours. You are starving your muscles of protein.

8pm - After supper snack which is mixed peanuts, or peanut butter and crackers. Sometime a few slices of an apple. Try cottage cheese and almonds.

I drink water with every meal, never any cokes. Good!

I also might add that even while on this diet, without AAS I gain no weight if you can believe it. Oh, I can believe it. Your diet is CRAP! Fix it.

I like this guy. So your saying right off the bat start off with some eggs and oatmeal everyday? Ok I love eggs.

So what's a better snack during the 630 and 9? Not being a smartass or anything, truly asking.

Hell I'm up for trying anything. Only time I eat eggs and stuff is on the weekends.

 

[03SVS]

What a shitty workout... Jeesus christ.

Fri - shoulders
3x military press 8-10 reps
3x smilies 10 reps
3x front raises 10 reps
3x lateral side raises
1x arnolds x reps

Wtf is a smiley? Anybody who lifts 5 x a week who isn't over 180 lbs at your height usually doesn't know what they're doing. Your routine just helps shows this.

lol smilies is what they called them in high school. Looked for a pic but couldn't find one. Anyways, it where you grab a straight bar let it hang. Then pull straight up to your chin, hold, then back down. Don't know proper name of it.

Also how is 13 sets a shitty work-out? Also everything on here is not set in stone, I switch up exercises ever now and again, but mostly it is what it is.

 

[suprfast]

Might I suggest a basic baby got back routine.
Got Built? » Baby Got Back

Sounds like you want to learn. First suggestion is start a thread in diet and nutrition and a second in the training area. Ditch this AAS idea until you can pack on weight the natural way. I would guess you can gain 10-20 lbs of muscle with just a better diet and exercise regimen.

Don't worry too much about getting X amount of protein or calories at a certain meal, you need to worry about just getting them. You will be fine if you tear up a whole chicken for dinner or if you did it throughout the whole day.

 

[pieguy]

lol smilies is what they called them in high school. Looked for a pic but couldn't find one. Anyways, it where you grab a straight bar let it hang. Then pull straight up to your chin, hold, then back down. Don't know proper name of it.

Also how is 13 sets a shitty work-out? Also everything on here is not set in stone, I switch up exercises ever now and again, but mostly it is what it is.

This doesn't make sense. The thing you just described is a front raise, yet you already do front raises in your routine. Where did you even get your awful routine?

Judging by your lifts, it sounds like your lifts are overall very low so the last thing you should be doing is breaking out arms and shoulders into their own separate days.

 

[03SVS]

Like I said nothing is set in stone, everything I do is heavy. So I say 10 reps, usually I fail to make it but that's what I go for.

Here is a smilie

A lateral raise is where you take the dumbell and act like your sitting it on something in front of you. But no bends at the joints.

 

[pieguy]

Your smilie is an upright row then and then the second picture you showed is a front db raise. A lateral raise is when you take something and lift it to your sides like you're flapping wings.

 

[SloppyJ]

now thats some genetics

I think i entered ninth grade about that weight and held it strong through 11th. Thank you x-country and track.

I played D-end so they tried to beef me up. I guess it took.
I bitched when we had to run our mile, I hate running not for me.

OP,

Your diet needs work bro. Start your day off with a HEAVY breakfast. I normally drink a shake, go to work make a 2 egg, ham and cheese english muffin then have a cup of greek yogurt. Add oats, PB, yogurt and olive oil to your shakes.

Eat like a fuckin boss after you work out. I skip the fu-fu drinks and just eat huge. Normally its 1 cup of rice with 2-3 chicken breats and some sort of green veggie.

Your snacks need work. I don't even consider those snacks. What you are doing is good for a cut, but add another actual meal in there where you "Snack".

That's my advice.

 

[GMO]

You lost me at "6:30am - Bowl of cereal"..

 

[SloppyJ]

You lost me at "6:30am - Bowl of cereal"..

But it's Kashi bro!

Fucking hate cereal. Never eat it and I never will. Rather have eggs and meat.

 

[easymoneymike]

Leave the granola and cereal to the hippies and kiddies. You need some real food first thing of the morning. This need so much fixing I don't know where to begin.

 

[suprfast]

You lost me at "6:30am - Bowl of cereal"..

Fucken snorted my water with that.

I love me some cereal but nothing will replace a plate of hot cakes, ham, sausage, bacon, double by-pass, eggs, toast for breakfast.

 

[pieguy]

Hotcakes eggs and meat. No better way to start out a day. Need my oj too. Just has to be OJ.