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The Creatine you're taking is 100% crap. This is what your body wants.

...yeah "soon to have a degree in Anatomy and Phys" is not a valid reason for anything. This is a matter of cell/molecular bio or biochem. And several of OPs other comments really disclose that's he inexperienced in the science field.

Rodja, Threegigs, you guys have great points.

TJ - may want to spend a bit more time in the lab and less time hypothesizing. You have a good idea, but you have to no empiric evidence.

I'm not saying CGP doesn't work; merely that we don't have all the data yet.

I'm not completely certain there is an actual degree in "Anatomy and Phys." Those are two foundational courses in pursuit of a kines degree, where you specialize in Exercise Science, Biomechanics.. or whatever, but I've never heard of a degree in "Anatomy & Physiology." It could be a difference in Universities, I don't know.
 
I'm not completely certain there is an actual degree in "Anatomy and Phys." Those are two foundational courses in pursuit of a kines degree, where you specialize in Exercise Science, Biomechanics.. or whatever, but I've never heard of a degree in "Anatomy & Physiology." It could be a difference in Universities, I don't know.

I was goign to say, I took both of those classes in high school and they were also both offered at my university for those in pre-med or PT/OT. Who gets a degree in anatomy? Seems about as useful as philosophy or pre-med if you don't go on to be a doctor.
 
You know, that's a good point. In a field were specialization is key, I overlooked that...
 
I was goign to say, I took both of those classes in high school and they were also both offered at my university for those in pre-med or PT/OT. Who gets a degree in anatomy? Seems about as useful as philosophy or pre-med if you don't go on to be a doctor.

...yeah "soon to have a degree in Anatomy and Phys" is not a valid reason for anything. This is a matter of cell/molecular bio or biochem. And several of OPs other comments really disclose that's he inexperienced in the science field.

Rodja, Threegigs, you guys have great points.

TJ - may want to spend a bit more time in the lab and less time hypothesizing. You have a good idea, but you have to no empiric evidence.

I'm not saying CGP doesn't work; merely that we don't have all the data yet.

Unlike most of you, I like to keep my anonymity. Yall dont need to know everything about my life. Resolve you are right about the research and evidence but you can say that about most supps. CrM is the gold standard because EVERYBODY makes it and wants to sell it and many money off it. We've all seen the big money guys knock out the competition just to move their product.

And that just my point. CGP hasnt had enough research. And they all want to knock it down. The guy who took it and sent back a review said it was amazing!

Anyone who is going, has, will, am, into the med field has to take chem, physics, A&P and others.

All Im going to say is Im going into a field where last years census averaged 92K in my state. just because Im vague about who I am doesnt mean I dont understand what Im talking about. shit. It your responsibility to do your own research anyways. I did mine.

In today's modern scientific society new information is discovered everyday.

You bore me. this has turned into one of those never ending ex-gf text messages that wont end. I said my point. I heard yours. Now move on.
 
I did notice improvement in all of my lifts, maybe not that much. Keep in mind Packers was just getting back into lifting so a lot of that may be muscle memory. I saw 5-10% increases in most lifts so it is quite good but expensive. Here is the deal, I was taking a creatine everyday consistently which I normally don't do as I take pre-workout with it in there all the time and get a lot from my diet. I thought that was enough but I do notice a boost when I take CN or something that has MCC in it on a consistent basis.

Yeah and I was also taking mesomorph. The two combo was unreal for me. I use to hit 350 on bench while only on mono, whey, and BCAA'S over 9 yrs ago. When I got out of the loop. I didn't know how I was going to get my stregnth up like it use to be. Volc actually told me about CN and i was like wth I'll give it a try. That stuff without a doubt for me was wicked. I like Volc, try to stick with mono as well due to cost of CN.
 
What about Creatine Hydrochloride? I have been taking it for 2 weeks now with no loading phase and no cycling to worry about. Only have to take half the amount of Monohydrate. I took Monohydrate 3 years ago and have to say it was the shiznit for me at the time. I gained 17lbs in 2 months and went from 170lbs to 187lbs. my strength went through the roof as well. I quite working out a year and a half ago and just started back up a couple months ago and was looking to add Creatine back in my diet.

I went online to look for some good deals and saw a crap load of new information I had never known about the different types of Creatine that are out there now. I personally only knew of Monohydrate. Anyway I was informed about Creatine Hydrochloride and thought I would give it a shot. The only thing I know is you only have to take about 3grams instead of 5 with Monohydrate and there is no loading phase and no cycling with it. Just take it in the morning with your shake and your off. Also no bloating with it either.

My muscles feel tighter and fuller but I don't feel all puffed up like with Monohydrate which I am guessing is from the water swell. So far so good. I will keep taking it for a few more months and see what happens. I was just wondering if anyone has tried it or knows anything more about this form of Creatine. Thanks....
 
If you are lifting and don't get some form of creatine, you are spinning your wheels. Use what works for you.
 
Unlike most of you, I like to keep my anonymity. Yall dont need to know everything about my life. Resolve you are right about the research and evidence but you can say that about most supps. CrM is the gold standard because EVERYBODY makes it and wants to sell it and many money off it. We've all seen the big money guys knock out the competition just to move their product.

Also monohydrate is the gold standard cuz it's been around for 20+ years and has had hundreds of studies done proving its efficacy.

And that just my point. CGP hasnt had enough research. And they all want to knock it down. The guy who took it and sent back a review said it was amazing!

If your point is that CGP has potential (which it does!), then say so. Don't make absolute statements like "The Creatine you're taking is 100% crap."

Anyone who is going, has, will, am, into the med field has to take chem, physics, A&P and others.

Yes, but have YOU taken a class that would cover the molecular basis and function of creatine and phosphates?

All Im going to say is Im going into a field where last years census averaged 92K in my state. just because Im vague about who I am doesnt mean I dont understand what Im talking about. shit. It your responsibility to do your own research anyways. I did mine.

Congratulations, but a given income by no means guarantees that you are educated or experienced. I don't care who you are, your inexperience and lack of practical knowledge is obvious from your feeble attempts at 'debate.'


You bore me. this has turned into one of those never ending ex-gf text messages that wont end. I said my point. I heard yours. Now move on.

:roflmao: I BORE you?! Well, I'm so sorry your majesty, I didn't realize! :jerkit:

I've made 1 previous post that addressed you and this is how you respond? If simply defending the validity of one your own ideas is boring, perhaps you are majoring in the wrong field.:winkfinger:
 
So no go or is this type of creatine legit?

Sorry but they wont let me send a privet message yet because I don't have enough post out here lol so here is the answer to the Q about the brand of hci. Hope it helps.
I am using GNC Amplified Creatine 189. It is there own patented Brand of hci.
the other is Concrete Creatine which has there own patented as well. I looked at both products at the time and decided to go with the Amplified Creatine189. Both say there's is better than the other but you know how that goes in this business lol. You just have to try for yourself and see I guess. I looked at every other form of creatine on the market and this was the newest form of creatine (hci) and they say its the best over every other form of creatine out there right now, but we will see lol. for whatever brand you get whether its the 189 or concrete, they are both good. I have only been taking it for a couple of weeks so far so i will see how it goes from here. Just do your research before you decide for yourself. Hope this helped you out some bro.
 
If your point is that CGP has potential (which it does!), then say so. Don't make absolute statements like "The Creatine you're taking is 100% crap.

It was a statement that I felt would grab everyones attention. Which it did and opened it up for debate. How many threads are out there about creatine? Too many. So I when with that title.

I used it for 6-7weeks and all through my SDMZ run. So my results speak for themselves. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/supplements/152271-my-before-after-sdmz-run.html

I like it. Ive seen better improvements with it and have even found other forms of creatine that others have posted about that I'll look in to.
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
Creatine on cycle helps for sure, does the fact you ran a SD cycle mean it is all that and a cup of tea, not really. Lets see what it does on its own for someone in 8 weeks solo and I will consider buying it.
 
Creatine on cycle helps for sure, does the fact you ran a SD cycle mean it is all that and a cup of tea, not really. Lets see what it does on its own for someone in 8 weeks solo and I will consider buying it.

Go back a page or two in this thread and youll find this guy who both him and his wife are taking it. IDK if hes running anything else with it though

But by his review both of them are quite happy with it.
 
First of all to the OP to make such a bold statement and not have any facts to back your claim was not your smartest move . I am an average joe without a college degree just looking for the best bang for my buck and you totally mislead me and anybody else who doesnt have the vast knowlegde of chemicals and molecular structure of creatine .To all the other posters in this thread THANK YOU for not letting the average guy like myself be mislead . Its guys like you that make me really appreciate being on this board


Now can somebody just recommend the best creatine out for me please ?
Which is the most potent ?
which 1 is the most cost friendly If different from the most potent ?
 
First of all to the OP to make such a bold statement and not have any facts to back your claim was not your smartest move . I am an average joe without a college degree just looking for the best bang for my buck and you totally mislead me and anybody else who doesnt have the vast knowlegde of chemicals and molecular structure of creatine .To all the other posters in this thread THANK YOU for not letting the average guy like myself be mislead . Its guys like you that make me really appreciate being on this board

Mislead? HA! yeah right. Its your responsibility to do you own research, pal. Damn youre gullible af. Dont believe anything anyone says online. It your own fault for being dimwit. CGP works. And so do other types, depending on your goals.



Now can somebody just recommend the best creatine out for me please ?
Which is the most potent ?
which 1 is the most cost friendly If different from the most potent ?

You dont know what youre getting yourself into. "The Best" good luck with that. Go back and read all the pages in the thread , there is even a review of CGP, and you will find other types of creatine others posted, you can take.
 
All the different forms of Creatine today.

The different forms of Creatine today


1.Creatine monohydrate: Creatine monohydrate is the king of the creatine supplement world. It is the most inexpensive form of creatine, and has been studied exhaustively. It is popular because it works. No other legal non-hormonal bodybuilding or sports supplement can come close to the potency of creatine monohydrate.Creatine monohydrate is 88% pure creatine bound with 12% water.Early creatine products were filled with large, hard to digest particles. These earlier supplements often caused intestinal issues. Most modern creatines are micronized, and are 20 times smaller. Modern creatines generally do not have the intestinal side effects that older creatines had.

2. Creatine Hydrochloride: is the newest form of creatine to hit the market. Not to be confused with Creatine Ethyl Ester. Creatine hydrochloride (also known as creatine hcl) is a totally different form of creatine. In fact, Creatine Hcl was discovered quite by accident during the synthesizing of the ingredients needed to make creatine ethyl ester back in 2003. Once discovered the manufacturers began studying this new form of creatine and its effectiveness. They soon found out that compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine hydrochloride was far superior in every way.

3. Kre-Alkalyn: Kre-Alkalyn is a pH buffered creatine that has a pH of more than 12. Manufacturers of Kre-Alkalyn claim that your body can not naturally buffer regular creatine supplements. Instead, your body breaks down regular creatine into creatinine, a useless substance excreted from your body through wastes. Further, because your body does not breakdown Kre-Alkalyn into creatinine, your body can fully absorb the creatine in Kre-Alkalyn supplements

4. Creatine Citrate: A worthy predecessor of creatine monohydrate, this compound was amongst the first to go against its much popular counterpart, the monohydrate version. It has creatine molecule attached to citric acid. Since citric acid has a crucial role to play in the synthesis of aerobic energy this supplement is known to offer much more energy as a compound.

5. Creatine Phosphate: Creatine phosphate created a lot of buzz initially given the fact that in the muscle creatine essentially bonds with the phosphate and having the compound directly available as a supplement might make it a direct source of instant energy. Though research proved this wrong since phosphate and creatine in the bound form are not permeable through cell membranes. Creatine phosphate is another early form of creatine. Creatine phosphate is a creatine molecule bonded to a phosphate molecule. This bonding is a process that naturally occurs within muscle cells. It was thought that by pre-bonding creatine with phosphate, that it would amplify results. Ultimately, creatine phosphate was found to be less effective then creatine monohydrate.

6. Creatine Malate: Malic acid is known to partake in the energy producing Krebs cycle thus as a compound with creatine it is known to offer greater ATP production. Another merit of this compound is that just like creatine citrate it gets easily dissolved in water causing nil stomach discomfort. Creatine malate is a relatively new version of creatine. It is creatine chemically bonded to malic acid. Malic acid works in much the same way that citric acid does, and assists muscles with aerobic energy production. There is little current research for or against creatine malate’s effectiveness.

7. Creatine Tartrate: It is the compound containing approximately 70% creatine with 30% tartaric acid. They are present in the solid form as tablets, bars and chewable tablets. Creatine tartrate is creatine bonded to tartaric acid. This form of creatine is often used in pills, capsules, bars and chewables. It offers no benefits over creatine monohydrate.

8. Creatine titrate. Creatine titrate (different from creatine tartrate) works in a similar manner to effervescent creatine. Creatine titrate changes the PH of the water solution when it is mixed, allowing for a more stable solution that is easier to digest.

9. Creatine Anhydrous: An anhydrate is a compound that is form with the removal of the water molecules in the compound and that is exactly what this supplement is made up of. It is known to provide more creatine than in its monohydrate form. Creatine anhydrous is creatine monohydrate without the water molecule. Creatine anhydrous provides approximately 6% more pure creatine per serving compared to creation monohydrate.

10. Creatine HMB: This compound is composed of creatine molecule bound to betahydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) which is composed of amino acid leucine that helps in muscle growth and recovery. It is easily soluble and absorbed in the body. Creatine HMB is creatine chemically attached to HMB (beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate). HMB, by itself, assists muscle recovery and growth. This form of creatine is generally easier for the body to digest. Once in the bloodstream, the creatine and HMB are separated. Creatine HMB is a relatively new form of creatine, and there is very little research to back its effectiveness.

11. Creatine Ethyl Ester: A compound formed of the bond between ester ethyl hydrochloride and creatine is known to enhance the muscular mass much higher than other compounds since the molecule easily passes through the membranes of cells like those of the intestines or muscles and is absorbed rapidly at a higher rate. Creatine ethyl ester is a form of creatine monohydrate, but it has an ester attached. The process, called esterification, is the result of the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohol. The way CEE is made means that it is more bioavailable to the body and so you actually need to take less of it.

12. Magnesium creatine. Magnesium creatine is creatine chemically bonded to magnesium. Magnesium assists in the digestion of creatine, primarily helping it pass through the stomach. Magnesium is also involved in the process of turning creatine phosphate into ATP. Magnesium creatine has been shown to be an effective form of creatine, but only in the bonded state. Taking creatine together with magnesium, but as separate supplements, is not as effective.

13. Creatine glutamine taurine. This form of creatine has creatine bonded with glutamine and taurine. Because both glutamine and taurine act to volumize cells, it is hoped that – in conjunction with creatine – their benefits will be heightened. One side benefit to taurine use is that it has been shown to improve strength.

14. Effervescent creatine. Effervescent creatine has been available for a number of years. Effervescent creatines usually contains creatine monohydrate or creatine citrate, along with citric acid and bicarbonate. When effervescent creatine is placed in water, a chemical reaction takes place, resulting in the formation of creatine carrying a neutral charge. This form of creatine passes through the stomach better then creatine monohydrate. It also retains its stability longer in solution then creatine monohydrate, making it a solid option for those that mix and take their creatine solution with them.


15. Liquid creatine. Liquid creatine is a form of creatine that is completely dissolved, and supposedly, easier to digest. Unfortunately, creatine is very unstable when dissolved, so many early liquid creatine products were failures. Modern liquid creatine products are improved, and can remain solvent for up to a year.

16. Creatine gum. Creatine gum allows for a slow, steady creatine release as you chew.

17. Time released creatine. Time released creatine is a new creatine product. It provides a slow, steady release of creatine. The debate over the effectiveness of time-released creatine is very heated. Because of its very nature, time-released creatine does not provide a high concentration of creatine in the blood. Many believe that a certain “concentration threshold” is required for creatine to be effective.
 
I'm not completely certain there is an actual degree in "Anatomy and Phys." Those are two foundational courses in pursuit of a kines degree, where you specialize in Exercise Science, Biomechanics.. or whatever, but I've never heard of a degree in "Anatomy & Physiology." It could be a difference in Universities, I don't know.


Just to clear this up, you can do a Masters/ PHDs in either of those topics.
 
First of all to the OP to make such a bold statement and not have any facts to back your claim was not your smartest move . I am an average joe without a college degree just looking for the best bang for my buck and you totally mislead me and anybody else who doesnt have the vast knowlegde of chemicals and molecular structure of creatine .To all the other posters in this thread THANK YOU for not letting the average guy like myself be mislead . Its guys like you that make me really appreciate being on this board


Now can somebody just recommend the best creatine out for me please ?
Which is the most potent ?
which 1 is the most cost friendly If different from the most potent ?

murf, the best creatine is the cheapest with the most proven efficacy. Simply put thats creatine monohydrate. It shouldn't cost anymore than $7/lbs.

You can load it, or not - it doesn't matter for long time use; loading just speeds up the process. The only important part is that you are taking 2-3g a day to ensure your muscles are fully satuarted. As long as you are not a non responder (someone who is naturally saturated to 150-60mmol/kg of dry weight) you will recover faster inbetween sets and therefore maintain your strength a little longer.
 
^^^^^^ Thnx Bro


OP you have got to be 1 of the dummest people Ive seen on this board and there are plenty. So what your saying is Im stupid for not doing my research ?
And by asking guys that i know on this board which 1 is working best for them and what there experience is with certain types is wrong and that I should do a google check and get my reviews from there lmao. Bro your a dick plain and simple . All of your points have been discredited in this thread . You only know what you read . I know from asking people what there experience is on certain products . I trust in fellow bodybuilders word more than a 168 lb lil prick like you . Thnx again to everybody besides this dick for all the informative post .
 
creatine has never worked for me. i tried a few types and I never felt anything on them. I guess I must be a non responder. I never buy it separately anymore, if its included in my preworkout then good, if not oh well.
 
My two cents, because I can.

1) don't confuse marketing with actual peer reviewed journals
2) don't confuse independent studies and research by unbiased researchers with the "research" that companies do to claim product superiority
3) don't degrade the value of peer reviewed journals, there really isn't a giant conspiracy out there...I promise.
4) challenge yourself and try to read some of the studies out there

creatine monohydrate supplementation - PubMed - NCBI
 
stewy101 Your sources, are....

I have been researching creatine for a while now and compiled all of what I have found so far. All of this information can be found on the web by searching for Creatine/ different forms of creatine/ different forms of creatine 2011/ different compound forms of creatine etc.etc.etc. I have looked long and hard for this information for myself as I too wanted to search for the so called perfect Creatine. That being said just like any other supplement or drug out there these too have had different results on different people. Creatine works but which one works for us all? That is the debated Q. I have only tried 2. Creatine Monohydrate and Creatine Hydrochloride which I am in the first stages of as we speak.

It's not hard to compile all of this information online at all. I do not get them from forums like these but from different scientific based sources that are easy to obtain online like I said. All I can say is do the research on all of these if you like and I am sure you will come up with the same outcome. Hope this helped you guys as I know it helped me in what Creatine I will take for now.
 
^^^^^^ Thnx Bro


OP you have got to be 1 of the dummest people Ive seen on this board and there are plenty. So what your saying is Im stupid for not doing my research ?
And by asking guys that i know on this board which 1 is working best for them and what there experience is with certain types is wrong and that I should do a google check and get my reviews from there lmao. Bro your a dick plain and simple . All of your points have been discredited in this thread . You only know what you read . I know from asking people what there experience is on certain products . I trust in fellow bodybuilders word more than a 168 lb lil prick like you . Thnx again to everybody besides this dick for all the informative post .

Where did you get 168lbs from? Oh that right, out your ass. just like where your brain is. Try 202.7lbs. dumbshit :roflmao: My results speak for themselves.http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/supplements/152271-my-before-after-sdmz-run.html

So dont say I dont know a thing or two about BBing


Edit: you did get the "prick" part right, lover boy :kissu:
 
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I have been researching creatine for a while now and compiled all of what I have found so far. All of this information can be found on the web by searching for Creatine/ different forms of creatine/ different forms of creatine 2011/ different compound forms of creatine etc.etc.etc. I have looked long and hard for this information for myself as I too wanted to search for the so called perfect Creatine. That being said just like any other supplement or drug out there these too have had different results on different people. Creatine works but which one works for us all? That is the debated Q. I have only tried 2. Creatine Monohydrate and Creatine Hydrochloride which I am in the first stages of as we speak.


Your information is helpful. Everybody's, um, body is different. What works for one doesnt always work for another.

I'll read up on some of the products you mentioned.


All I can say is do the research on all of these if you like and I am sure you will come up with the same outcome. Hope this helped you guys as I know it helped me in what Creatine I will take for now.

^ This

Do your own GD research people.
 
The different forms of Creatine today


1.Creatine monohydrate: Creatine monohydrate is the king of the creatine supplement world. It is the most inexpensive form of creatine, and has been studied exhaustively. It is popular because it works. No other legal non-hormonal bodybuilding or sports supplement can come close to the potency of creatine monohydrate.Creatine monohydrate is 88% pure creatine bound with 12% water.Early creatine products were filled with large, hard to digest particles. These earlier supplements often caused intestinal issues. Most modern creatines are micronized, and are 20 times smaller. Modern creatines generally do not have the intestinal side effects that older creatines had.

2. Creatine Hydrochloride: is the newest form of creatine to hit the market. Not to be confused with Creatine Ethyl Ester. Creatine hydrochloride (also known as creatine hcl) is a totally different form of creatine. In fact, Creatine Hcl was discovered quite by accident during the synthesizing of the ingredients needed to make creatine ethyl ester back in 2003. Once discovered the manufacturers began studying this new form of creatine and its effectiveness. They soon found out that compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine hydrochloride was far superior in every way.

3. Kre-Alkalyn: Kre-Alkalyn is a pH buffered creatine that has a pH of more than 12. Manufacturers of Kre-Alkalyn claim that your body can not naturally buffer regular creatine supplements. Instead, your body breaks down regular creatine into creatinine, a useless substance excreted from your body through wastes. Further, because your body does not breakdown Kre-Alkalyn into creatinine, your body can fully absorb the creatine in Kre-Alkalyn supplements

4. Creatine Citrate: A worthy predecessor of creatine monohydrate, this compound was amongst the first to go against its much popular counterpart, the monohydrate version. It has creatine molecule attached to citric acid. Since citric acid has a crucial role to play in the synthesis of aerobic energy this supplement is known to offer much more energy as a compound.

5. Creatine Phosphate: Creatine phosphate created a lot of buzz initially given the fact that in the muscle creatine essentially bonds with the phosphate and having the compound directly available as a supplement might make it a direct source of instant energy. Though research proved this wrong since phosphate and creatine in the bound form are not permeable through cell membranes. Creatine phosphate is another early form of creatine. Creatine phosphate is a creatine molecule bonded to a phosphate molecule. This bonding is a process that naturally occurs within muscle cells. It was thought that by pre-bonding creatine with phosphate, that it would amplify results. Ultimately, creatine phosphate was found to be less effective then creatine monohydrate.

6. Creatine Malate: Malic acid is known to partake in the energy producing Krebs cycle thus as a compound with creatine it is known to offer greater ATP production. Another merit of this compound is that just like creatine citrate it gets easily dissolved in water causing nil stomach discomfort. Creatine malate is a relatively new version of creatine. It is creatine chemically bonded to malic acid. Malic acid works in much the same way that citric acid does, and assists muscles with aerobic energy production. There is little current research for or against creatine malate???s effectiveness.

7. Creatine Tartrate: It is the compound containing approximately 70% creatine with 30% tartaric acid. They are present in the solid form as tablets, bars and chewable tablets. Creatine tartrate is creatine bonded to tartaric acid. This form of creatine is often used in pills, capsules, bars and chewables. It offers no benefits over creatine monohydrate.

8. Creatine titrate. Creatine titrate (different from creatine tartrate) works in a similar manner to effervescent creatine. Creatine titrate changes the PH of the water solution when it is mixed, allowing for a more stable solution that is easier to digest.

9. Creatine Anhydrous: An anhydrate is a compound that is form with the removal of the water molecules in the compound and that is exactly what this supplement is made up of. It is known to provide more creatine than in its monohydrate form. Creatine anhydrous is creatine monohydrate without the water molecule. Creatine anhydrous provides approximately 6% more pure creatine per serving compared to creation monohydrate.

10. Creatine HMB: This compound is composed of creatine molecule bound to betahydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) which is composed of amino acid leucine that helps in muscle growth and recovery. It is easily soluble and absorbed in the body. Creatine HMB is creatine chemically attached to HMB (beta-hydroxy beta-methylbutyrate). HMB, by itself, assists muscle recovery and growth. This form of creatine is generally easier for the body to digest. Once in the bloodstream, the creatine and HMB are separated. Creatine HMB is a relatively new form of creatine, and there is very little research to back its effectiveness.

11. Creatine Ethyl Ester: A compound formed of the bond between ester ethyl hydrochloride and creatine is known to enhance the muscular mass much higher than other compounds since the molecule easily passes through the membranes of cells like those of the intestines or muscles and is absorbed rapidly at a higher rate. Creatine ethyl ester is a form of creatine monohydrate, but it has an ester attached. The process, called esterification, is the result of the reaction of carboxylic acid and alcohol. The way CEE is made means that it is more bioavailable to the body and so you actually need to take less of it.

12. Magnesium creatine. Magnesium creatine is creatine chemically bonded to magnesium. Magnesium assists in the digestion of creatine, primarily helping it pass through the stomach. Magnesium is also involved in the process of turning creatine phosphate into ATP. Magnesium creatine has been shown to be an effective form of creatine, but only in the bonded state. Taking creatine together with magnesium, but as separate supplements, is not as effective.

13. Creatine glutamine taurine. This form of creatine has creatine bonded with glutamine and taurine. Because both glutamine and taurine act to volumize cells, it is hoped that ??? in conjunction with creatine ??? their benefits will be heightened. One side benefit to taurine use is that it has been shown to improve strength.

14. Effervescent creatine. Effervescent creatine has been available for a number of years. Effervescent creatines usually contains creatine monohydrate or creatine citrate, along with citric acid and bicarbonate. When effervescent creatine is placed in water, a chemical reaction takes place, resulting in the formation of creatine carrying a neutral charge. This form of creatine passes through the stomach better then creatine monohydrate. It also retains its stability longer in solution then creatine monohydrate, making it a solid option for those that mix and take their creatine solution with them.


15. Liquid creatine. Liquid creatine is a form of creatine that is completely dissolved, and supposedly, easier to digest. Unfortunately, creatine is very unstable when dissolved, so many early liquid creatine products were failures. Modern liquid creatine products are improved, and can remain solvent for up to a year.

16. Creatine gum. Creatine gum allows for a slow, steady creatine release as you chew.

17. Time released creatine. Time released creatine is a new creatine product. It provides a slow, steady release of creatine. The debate over the effectiveness of time-released creatine is very heated. Because of its very nature, time-released creatine does not provide a high concentration of creatine in the blood. Many believe that a certain ???concentration threshold??? is required for creatine to be effective.





NEW UPDATE ON DiffERENT FORMS OF CREATINE TODAY:

ADD 4 MORE TO THE LIST, AND REMEMBER TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH FOR EACH AND EVERYONE OF THESE FORMS OF CREATINE TO MAKE YOUR OWN EDUCATED DECISIONS ON WHICH ONE IS RIGHT FOR YOU. DO THE RESEARCH AND STUDY THEM THOROUGHLY FOR YOURSELVES. THIS IS JUST A LIST OF FORMS I HAVE COMPLIED FOR MYSELF AND TO HELP THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT FORMS OUT THERE. :winkfinger:

1. Creatine Alpha-Ketoglutarate: One of the newest forms of creatine is creatine alpha-ketoglutarate, also known as creatine AKG. This form is creatine bound to a molecule of AKG. This is the same AKG that is used in the nitric oxide formulas (arginine AKG). Alpha-Ketoglutarate is a precursor of glutamine, which means that with this supplement you are getting both glutamine and creatine. The key benefit, however, is that the intestines more easily absorb AKG, which will prevent the diarrhea that most bodybuilders experience when they take creatine monohydrate. Alpha-ketoglutarate is used for kidney disease; intestinal and stomach disorders, including bacterial infections; liver problems; cataracts; and recurring yeast infections. It is also used for improving the way kidney patients receiving hemodialysis treatments process protein. Some people take alpha-ketoglutarate to improve peak athletic performance. Suppliers of athletic nutritional supplements claim alpha-ketoglutaric acid may be an important addition to proper diet and training for the athlete who wants peak performance. They base this claim on studies that show extra ammonia in the body can combine with alpha-ketoglutarate to reduce problems associated with too much ammonia (ammonia toxicity). But, so far, the only studies that show alpha-ketoglutarate can reduce ammonia toxicity have been performed in hemodialysis patients.

2. Creatine Gluconate: This unique delivery system, quickly and continuously, delivers the supplement to your muscles ??? so quickly that in 24 to 36 hours you can see and feel your muscles getting bulkier after the very first serving. You will be able to pump much more, your belly muscles will increase and you will be far more energetic than before. Creatine gluconate is an ionic salt made by bonding a creatine ion to a glucose ion. What you get as a result is a product that is absorbed easily and almost completely as glucose. Plus, it mixes very well with water and tastes very good. How does it do all this? The answer's simple. Most ???single stage delivery??? systems do the work of getting the creatine into your blood and muscles, quite well. But what they don't do so well is getting the optimal quantity into your system. That is where the new creatine scores over others. Take the case of Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE). The ethyl ester in it nicely manages to deliver the creatine into your system. But in the process, when the molecule splits, you are left with the good creatine and the not so good ethanol. This ethanol lacks the ???after burner??? ability to push the creatine harder and faster into your blood and muscles. The result is that your body gets less than the optimal amount of creatine delivered at less than the optimal rate. In the case of creatine gluconate, the molecular splitting results in the formation of glucose ion. Here the glucose ion delivers the creatine. The glucose ion is good since it is well and easily absorbed by the body. This ion also does another thing. It causes a nice insulin pike to be formed. It is this insulin pike that pushes the glucose and along with it, the creatine, harder and more rapidly into your blood and muscle. Another good thing about creatine gluconate is that it does not require any ???loading period???. This in no way affects its optimizing and maximizing capabilities.

3. Magnesium Creatine Chelate: Magnesium creatine chelate, often abbreviated MCC, is a newer form of creatine that is chemically bonded to magnesium rather than a water molecule as in creatine monohydrate. This special form of creatine is absorbed through a different pathway than creatine monohydrate. Creatine monohydrate is absorbed through a sodium-dependent transporter, while magnesium creatine chelate is absorbed through a lignand-gated cation channel. Because the magnesium that is bound to the creatine is a cation, the entire molecule now becomes a cation, making it absorbable through this pathway while creatine monohydrate is not. Creatine Magnesium Chelate (pronounced key-late) is different from other forms of Creatine because it's chemically attached to the mineral magnesium for optimal absorption.* This means more creatine for your muscles and possibly less bloating or stomach discomfort!*

4. Creatine Pyruvate : Creatine Pyruvate is a combination of Creatine and Pyruvate, both of which are impressive ergogenic (energy) producers and have been highly touted for building muscle and reducing body fat. The performance-enhancing effects of creatine monohydrate and pyruvate are combined for the first time in this unique nutritional formula designed to boost energy and endurance.Creatine regenerates the primary energy immediately available to muscles involved in short, intense contractions.Creatine also serves as a buffer, delaying the point at which lactic acid causes muscle fatigue and discomfort.Increasing creatine energizes muscle for prolonged endurance and optimal work output in activities such as weight lifting and sprinting.Pyruvate stimulates glucose extraction from blood into muscle during exercise and at rest, priming muscle with a carbohydrate content essential for greater endurance.In clinical studies, pyruvate reduced gain in body fat without reducing muscle protein, an important factor in increasing lean muscle mass. Supplementation with Creatine Pyruvate provides complementary nutritional support for maximizing muscular performance and endurance in high-intensity exercise programs. Creatine Pyruvate is 10 times more soluble than either Creatine or Pyruvate and it is also more bioavailable so that it takes less to do the job. Moreover, a loading dose is not necessary. The "stabilized and improved" Pyruvate in this product is also more bioavailable which means that large amounts of minerals (Calcium, Sodium, Potassium, etc.) are not ingested with the pyruvate. This lessens the possibility of adverse reactions associated with large amounts of minerals, e.g. fluid retention. Simply put, Creatine Pyruvate is a stronger, more powerful and safer form of Creatine and Pyruvate.
 
If you are lifting and don't get some form of creatine, you are spinning your wheels. Use what works for you.

Are you fucking kidding me?
I've tried CM and CEE in the past, both gave me Meh results.
In the past few years, I've come to see more and more how much better living a natural, healthy lifestyle is, so now I avoid all supps besides Fish oils and multi's, and sometimes whey protein.

I am 6'2" 195 lbs, about 14% BF right now and I have not been going to the gym regularly at all for the last 90 days.

Creatine is NOT necessary at all.
 
Are you fucking kidding me?
I've tried CM and CEE in the past, both gave me Meh results.
In the past few years, I've come to see more and more how much better living a natural, healthy lifestyle is, so now I avoid all supps besides Fish oils and multi's, and sometimes whey protein.

I am 6'2" 195 lbs, about 14% BF right now and I have not been going to the gym regularly at all for the last 90 days.

Creatine is NOT necessary at all.


:hmmm: Sounds like you need to be on a different sight dude. This sight is for people who workout at least 3-4 days a week and are building up there body's (muscles) You say you don't use creatine and rarely workout at all. Well no shit, anybody who is not working out to build there body's (muscles) up definitively should not be taking creatine at all anyways because it only works if your working out lol Having a natural lifestyle is cool. I can dig that dude. Keep up the good work :winkfinger:
 
^ Agree

I wasnt sure what to make of his post:hmmm:
 
any popular brands out? cgp is a bit more expensive than mono but if you don't need to use it everyday then it can probably be equivalent

or bulk?
thanks!
 
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