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Z Blue Top Test #005.

I will be following the protocol exphys88 and I have decided on exactly (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/lab-testing/158572-how-test-hgh.html). I ordered my labs and will get the draw in the morning. I will post the results no matter what they are, good or bad.

10 iu HGH will be injected IM with a testing window of 3-4 hours. Must measure at least 15ng/mL to PASS.
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It would be nice if all sponsors would send samples regularly to be tested.
 
well the sponsors could just send the good one's because they know they will be tested, but I do beleive that something should be done for all these people drumming up sales but I don't know what :0
 
I thought the protocol called for sub-q injects not IM. That's going to skew the numbers to be higher.
 
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SloppyJ said:
I thought the protocol called for sub-q injects not IM. That's going to skew the numbers to be higher.
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protocol states 10IU IM. I thought the same thing at first then went over it again
 
You guys are correct. It did say sub q, but after reviewing the research, Heavy and I decided that IM injections gave more reliable numbers. In the studies done on subq injections, there were quite a few participants, for whatever reason, had low levels. they were in the teens, when most other participants were in the 20-30's. By doing IM injections, we felt that we would prevent false lows. We have decided that in order to get a "pass" at 10 iu IM, you would need to be at 18 ng/mL or above. (injecting IM produces higher serum levels too, so it's actually a better method)

With that said, the tests done using the subq method are still reliable, we just need to be cautious about calling a score of say 15 ng/mL underdosed. We are positive that a score of anything under 10 ng/mL, from either IM or subq injections means it's under-dosed though.

This section is not only for the protection of members, but for the validation of sponsors. Even with pharma grade hgh, they saw quite a variation in serum hgh levels. We have been liberal in our numbers to prevent falsely accusing a sponsor of underdosed hgh because of the variation in guys doing the testing.

I'm sorry about the confusion, this is a ongoing process. The more testing we get, the more confident we will be in deciding what is considered bunk or under-dosed.


Everyone should take the time to read the protocol and studies. I'm very open to suggestions or even other interpretations of the research.
 
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Looking foward to the feed back! :-)
 
It was my understanding that Subq has a better absorption rate of GH than IM does and that it just affects the half life of the drug.
 
trainhard357 said:
It was my understanding that Subq has a better absorption rate of GH than IM does and that it just affects the half life of the drug.
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the only study that I found that compares the two different methods showed much higher levels using IM. subq resulted in longer peak times, but not by much. One of the participants who injected the equilavent of 9 iu for a 220 lb male peaked at nearly 70 ng/mL using IM.

Its the first study
 
That is interesting. I did some research and I found this excerpt. This was in children though.


Two children in group A and one child in group B had
extremely high GH levels compared with the other children
in the groups. Higher serum GH levels have been described
when the GH injection was administered im instead of sc
(23). It is possible that the GH administration in these two
children was not completely sc as in the other children, but
partly intramuscular at the time of the overnight profile.
Their IGF-I levels were not different compared with the other
children.
 
trainhard357 said:
That is interesting. I did some research and I found this excerpt. This was in children though.


Two children in group A and one child in group B had
extremely high GH levels compared with the other children
in the groups. Higher serum GH levels have been described
when the GH injection was administered im instead of sc
(23). It is possible that the GH administration in these two
children was not completely sc as in the other children, but
partly intramuscular at the time of the overnight profile.
Their IGF-I levels were not different compared with the other
children.
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thanks. A little more confirmation that IM produces higher numbers.
 
Right on. Looks like that's what I'll be doing from now on. I'm so curious to see what 10ius of rips come back with if they are done IM. I bet it's going to be some crazy numbers. I have 1 kit left and a little more extra time on spring break..... oh the curiosity.
 
SloppyJ said:
Right on. Looks like that's what I'll be doing from now on. I'm so curious to see what 10ius of rips come back with if they are done IM. I bet it's going to be some crazy numbers. I have 1 kit left and a little more extra time on spring break..... oh the curiosity.
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the guys at pro-m were doing rips IM and were consistently getting numbers in the 30's.
 
exphys88 said:
You guys are correct. It did say sub q, but after reviewing the research, Heavy and I decided that IM injections gave more reliable numbers. In the studies done on subq injections, there were quite a few participants, for whatever reason, had low levels. they were in the teens, when most other participants were in the 20-30's. By doing IM injections, we felt that we would prevent false lows. We have decided that in order to get a "pass" at 10 iu IM, you would need to be at 18 ng/mL or above. (injecting IM produces higher serum levels too, so it's actually a better method)

With that said, the tests done using the subq method are still reliable, we just need to be cautious about calling a score of say 15 ng/mL underdosed. We are positive that a score of anything under 10 ng/mL, from either IM or subq injections means it's under-dosed though.

This section is not only for the protection of members, but for the validation of sponsors. Even with pharma grade hgh, they saw quite a variation in serum hgh levels. We have been liberal in our numbers to prevent falsely accusing a sponsor of underdosed hgh because of the variation in guys doing the testing.

I'm sorry about the confusion, this is a ongoing process. The more testing we get, the more confident we will be in deciding what is considered bunk or under-dosed.


Everyone should take the time to read the protocol and studies. I'm very open to suggestions or even other interpretations of the research.
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Something to consider since you have changed up the testing protcol that was study my suggestion would be to use your theory with an RX brand. Then there is NO QUESTION if it is good and can see by instead of injection sub q vs the I/M you are wanting to use that would validate your process. Something to consider.
 
vannesb said:
Something to consider since you have changed up the testing protcol that was study my suggestion would be to use your theory with an RX brand. Then there is NO QUESTION if it is good and can see by instead of injection sub q vs the I/M you are wanting to use that would validate your process. Something to consider.
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I would love to see some RX hgh being tested. They won't give me any though. :bawling:
I have seen some tests on other boards with RX being used IM and they're consistently in the 30's, with one guy in the 40's, I believe.
 
Hey ex where do you shoot im what body parts and what size should the pin atleast be thanks
 
I use a slin pin and do delts and tris.
 
I knew a slin pin I just didn't know if they went deep enough for im? so sub q should be avoided if we want more out of our gh to thanks man
 
daisygirl18 said:
I knew a slin pin I just didn't know if they went deep enough for im? so sub q should be avoided if we want more out of our gh to thanks man
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If you're a little chubby, just push the pin in so it indents the skin a little. if it doesn't make it IM, it'll just go subQ, no biggie.
 
heavyiron said:
Z Blue Top Test #005.

I will be following the protocol exphys88 and I have decided on exactly (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/lab-testing/158572-how-test-hgh.html). I ordered my labs and will get the draw in the morning. I will post the results no matter what they are, good or bad.

10 iu HGH will be injected IM with a testing window of 3-4 hours. Must measure at least 18ng/mL to PASS.

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heavyiron said:
10 iu injected at 6:22 AM MST in left medial delt.
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Blood draw at 9:42 am~17.9 ng/mL

Will post lab report later.
 
I'd be happy w that too. Novos have been scoring about that and guys love them, including myself.
Between a 25 from OSL and a 18 for you, they look good.
 
So that would put the blue tops around 6iu's of actual GH per 10 iu's. Not too bad considering all the bad lab results lately.
 
Or that means you have to inject 3 iu's to get 2 iu's pharma grade strength. Still cheaper than buying pharma stuff.
 
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