PCT after 18 month blast/cruise cycle...

[dippa66]

I need some help for my PCT after an 18 month blast/cruise cycle.

I'm sick of injecting, and I'm not getting the best results anymore, so I thought a nice long break would help.

I've got HCG, Clomid and aromasin.

Had my last shot of sus 18 days ago.

Only got the HCG 5 days ago, so I took a 5000u "booster" which has given me my balls back, but not sure when to start anything else, and is it different dosing after a long cycle?

Any helps would be appreciated

 

[exphys88]

Here's what I would do if it were me. Some may disagree, and that's ok.

days 1-10 HCG 1000 iu EOD, 25 mg aromasin ED

4 days after last hcg shot:
Aromasin 25 mg Ed for 2 weeks, then 12.5 for 2 more weeks
Clomid 100 mg ED for 2 weeks, then 50 mg for 2 more weeks
Nolva 20 mg for 6 weeks

then wait a month and get your bloodwork done. This is extremely important.

This is similar to what Dr. Scally does with his patients, plus aromasin. There is tons of debate as to whether nolva is necessary or not. My conclusion is that it definitely doesn't hurt to use it alongside clomid, but some are convinced that it won't help any. I just have a lot of respect for Scally and listen when he gives advice.

 

[independent]

I would love to see updates on your final outcome.

 

[MattPorter]

Here's what I would do if it were me. Some may disagree, and that's ok.

days 1-10 HCG 1000 iu EOD, 25 mg aromasin ED

4 days after last hcg shot:
Aromasin 25 mg Ed for 2 weeks, then 12.5 for 2 more weeks
Clomid 100 mg ED for 2 weeks, then 50 mg for 2 more weeks
Nolva 20 mg for 6 weeks

then wait a month and get your bloodwork done. This is extremely important.

This is similar to what Dr. Scally does with his patients, plus aromasin. There is tons of debate as to whether nolva is necessary or not. My conclusion is that it definitely doesn't hurt to use it alongside clomid, but some are convinced that it won't help any. I just have a lot of respect for Scally and listen when he gives advice.

I like this approach alot --- I would just not use BOTH clomid and Nolva. I *might* low dose nolva at 10 mgs and use D-aspartic acid in conjunction with aromasin.

Of course some IGF-1 during this time would not hurt

-Matt

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Hey brother.. this may help you out... Triptorelin

There's a log running on it currently if you're interested in checking it out.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/labpe-peptide/157393-triptorelin-nolvadex-pct-log.html

 

[Drudkh]

Scally's protocol is: HCG 2500IU every other day for 16 days. 50mg Clomid twice a day for 30 days. Nolva 20 mg every day for 45 days.

Though its not part of Scally's protocol, I've seen it suggested to add letro at 1.25 x2 per week until the nolva is finished and then .625 x2 per week for two weeks and then .625 once a week for two more weeks.

 

[exphys88]

Scally's protocol is: HCG 2500IU every other day for 16 days. 50mg Clomid twice a day for 30 days. Nolva 20 mg every day for 45 days.

Though its not part of Scally's protocol, I've seen it suggested to add letro at 1.25 x2 per week until the nolva is finished and then .625 x2 per week for two weeks and then .625 once a week for two more weeks.

Correct. I think Scally recommends against an AI though, not because it would negatively influence recovery, but because it creates a cloudy picture for blood work.

 

[dippa66]

Ok, thanks for all your input.

This is what I have come up with:

HCG 500 eod (dont have much) for 2 weeks

Clomid 100/100/50/50

Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

Dont have nolva

How does that look?

 

[exphys88]

Ok, thanks for all your input.

This is what I have come up with:

HCG 500 eod (dont have much) for 2 weeks

Clomid 100/100/50/50

Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

Dont have nolva

How does that look?

that looks really good, if you have enough clomid, you could consider running it for 6 weeks. Just remember to get bloodwork, some guys need another pct.

 

[dippa66]

Thanks for the help!

 

[Drudkh]

Correct. I think Scally recommends against an AI though, not because it would negatively influence recovery, but because it creates a cloudy picture for blood work.

Hmmm. What does he mean by "cloudy picture for blood work?" Perhaps he wants to observe estro levels normalize on their own.

 

[dippa66]

Here's what I would do if it were me. Some may disagree, and that's ok.

days 1-10 HCG 1000 iu EOD, 25 mg aromasin ED

4 days after last hcg shot:
Aromasin 25 mg Ed for 2 weeks, then 12.5 for 2 more weeks
Clomid 100 mg ED for 2 weeks, then 50 mg for 2 more weeks
Nolva 20 mg for 6 weeks

then wait a month and get your bloodwork done. This is extremely important.

This is similar to what Dr. Scally does with his patients, plus aromasin. There is tons of debate as to whether nolva is necessary or not. My conclusion is that it definitely doesn't hurt to use it alongside clomid, but some are convinced that it won't help any. I just have a lot of respect for Scally and listen when he gives advice.

OOPPS I FUCKED UP!

Have been taking HCG, clomid and aromasin together, as per above doses.

Had last shot of HCG today, should I continue with the above doses of clomid and aromsin:

100 / 25 for 1 more week
50 / 12.5 for 2 weeks

 

[SloppyJ]

How much more clomid and aromasin do you have left?

 

[exphys88]

OOPPS I FUCKED UP!

Have been taking HCG, clomid and aromasin together, as per above doses.

Had last shot of HCG today, should I continue with the above doses of clomid and aromsin:

100 / 25 for 1 more week
50 / 12.5 for 2 weeks

If you have enough, run it for 4 weeks.

 

[SloppyJ]

IMO I don't think that a standard 4 week PCT is going to cut it for someone who has spent the last 18 months abusing gear. Let's be honest with ourselves here. If you can afford to run a shit ton of gear for 18 months then you should be able to afford $100 worth of PCT meds.

If this were me, I'd run 6-8 weeks of clomid, aromasin and low dose nolva. I would also add in some sort of test booster just to try and hit it from all angles.

To me this sounds like a last minute decision since you didn't have a lot of HCG nor did you have enough SERMs or AIs. If you're not willing to acquire the required meds and still want to run a PCT then just run it the best you can and take blood work starting one month after the end of your PCT. I would continue getting blood work done every month after that until you are back to where you need to be. Remember this will be a slow and extremely shitty process. But that's the price to pay for staying on for so long. There is a chance that you won't recover and you will need to be placed on TRT under doctor supervision.

How old are you and how do you feel right now? Any sex drive? Do you have energy or are you lethargic all day?

 

[exphys88]

IMO I don't think that a standard 4 week PCT is going to cut it for someone who has spent the last 18 months abusing gear. Let's be honest with ourselves here. If you can afford to run a shit ton of gear for 18 months then you should be able to afford $100 worth of PCT meds.

If this were me, I'd run 6-8 weeks of clomid, aromasin and low dose nolva. I would also add in some sort of test booster just to try and hit it from all angles.

To me this sounds like a last minute decision since you didn't have a lot of HCG nor did you have enough SERMs or AIs. If you're not willing to acquire the required meds and still want to run a PCT then just run it the best you can and take blood work starting one month after the end of your PCT. I would continue getting blood work done every month after that until you are back to where you need to be. Remember this will be a slow and extremely shitty process. But that's the price to pay for staying on for so long. There is a chance that you won't recover and you will need to be placed on TRT under doctor supervision.

How old are you and how do you feel right now? Any sex drive? Do you have energy or are you lethargic all day?

This is much better advice than what I gave.

 

[JCBourne]

I agree with slopdawg above, a 4 week PCT isn't going to cut it after a 18 month blast/cruise. I would take (a least) 6 week PCT and also be getting some blood work done to make sure nothing is damaged or really out of wack. Don't cut short-cuts here, if you do you may end up with some serious consequences for the rest of your life.

 

[SloppyJ]

I don't know brother. I've never tried to come back from a cruise. I have zero experience with it but that just makes sense to me. Longest cycle I came back from was a 20wk. I took 6 weeks of PCT and when I took blood work 2 months after PCT, I was g2g.

 

[dippa66]

How much more clomid and aromasin do you have left?

got a few weeks worth left
got plenty of HCG left too

Im 45, mood and energy levels are fine, libido starting to diminish though.
Have started igf-1 lr3 also.

 

[GFR]

Post some pics, lets see the results of this great idea.

 

[JCBourne]

I'd be scared to come off after 18 months honestly and I would be taking this very, very seriously and would not be cutting corners OP, but everyone does things differently. I'm more of a rather be safe and have the wife happy after a cycle!

 

[BIGBEN2011]

what the hell why you so scared take all you got see how you feel get bloodwork if you not recovered try some more pct stuff and if you dont or can not recover you are 45 so if you do not recover you would have no prob geting on trt.everybody recovers diff i can recover after 20 weeks the longest cycle i ever done i was recovered after 3 weeks after last pin shit had barley cleared my system no hcg or nothing just clomid 50mg a day for 2 weeks and a ai which i did not really need.so every body is diff but like i said at your age trt is not the worst thing in the world you know.

 

[dippa66]

what the hell why you so scared take all you got see how you feel get bloodwork if you not recovered try some more pct stuff and if you dont or can not recover you are 45 so if you do not recover you would have no prob geting on trt.everybody recovers diff i can recover after 20 weeks the longest cycle i ever done i was recovered after 3 weeks after last pin shit had barley cleared my system no hcg or nothing just clomid 50mg a day for 2 weeks and a ai which i did not really need.so every body is diff but like i said at your age trt is not the worst thing in the world you know.

^^^ Thats what I reckon too, I never had problems recovering before, but never ran 18 months of blast/cruise either!

 

[Saney]

The best thing you can do after 18months of Blasting/Cruising is to take (ONLY) Nolvadex @ 20mg ED for 2 months.. that will get you back to running normal again than any other product/combo of products.

Trust me, it's why i'm so Jerked and Tan

 

[XYZ]

There was a study done on pub med not long ago and it was 12 weeks long with the following:

10,000ius HCG tuesdays and thursdays
75ius HMG ED
100mg clomid

Personally, I think 4-6 weeks of this would work.

Good luck.

 

[Goldenera]

There was a study done on pub med not long ago and it was 12 weeks long with the following:

10,000ius HCG tuesdays and thursdays
75ius HMG ED
100mg clomid

Personally, I think 4-6 weeks of this would work.

Good luck.

Did this pub med study involve a 18 week aas cycle??

That's way to much hcg and can do damage.
Hcg info
http://www.elite-bodiez.com/forums/showthread.php?5684-HCG-Unraveled-Protect-The-(-Y-)

 

[grootfac]

great,it is helpful.

 

[nby]

How is this going TS?

 

[dippa66]

PCT update: I feel pretty good, got minimal libido, but dick still works. Lost a fair amount of size and strength though.
Still taking aromasin 12.5 / clomid 50, maybe continue for 1 more week then get bloods.

 

[nby]

LH/FSH will still be unreliable though so take get some more bloods done 4-6 weeks after you stop PCT.