What gear wont shut your h.p.t.a.system down, what dose??

[theboneman]

wow !! thats defanitly alot of views !! and i thank everyone for thier input, theres alot to think about, i guess i gotta keep on trucking and just wait it out. hey i came this far, and i can try some of your ideas, they do make sense. and i should re-evaluate my eating habits, its been hit or miss. hey thanks again .
bones.

 

[Mudge]

This is one of the easiest questions to answer, none and none. Every steroid you'd want to take will suppress HPTA, even var, its been done before at low doses as has Dbol at a mere 5mg a day immediately upon wakeup.

You can try GH, or just keep going. I got my wife preg on plenty of stuff, twice, deep into my cycles.

 

[Standard Donkey]

This is one of the easiest questions to answer, none and none. Every steroid you'd want to take will suppress HPTA, even var, its been done before at low doses as has Dbol at a mere 5mg a day immediately upon wakeup.

You can try GH, or just keep going. I got my wife preg on plenty of stuff, twice, deep into my cycles.

boys or girls?

 

[theboneman]

Ya know, you guys are making alot of sense out of this for me, it may not seem important but it is to me. Im 45 yrs old and last summer i went into a coma from steroids, my friggin liver failed and i was on a donor list for over 6-weeks and on dyallisis for the same, and after all this, im really thinking maybe im shut down from that, because i myself got wifey preggo on gear and with all the pct i did, i should of responded some how !!

I have been seeing doctors to the point its becoming really just the same bullshit, blah,blah,blah. And only time will tell, i have done test since the failure, with no problems, i just have to stay away from orals, to me thier just to much of a gamble, i was curious about bridging, and knew all steroids shut ya down, just wanted to know if there was any dose that didnt. (short term)
hey, thanks for your time, and your personal knowledge of the topic. You all gave something to consider, especially eating, my diet sucks right now and its gotta get fixed.
Thank you.
Bones.

WE HAD A GIRL WHEN I WAS ON A GOOD CYCLE, BUT THEN AGAIN I ONLY GOT GIRLS HAHA. AND FOR THE MASSES INTO STATS, MY KID IS FRIGGIN BUILT LIKE SHE TRAINS, I CANT GET OVER IT, I WAS A RUNT AT HER AGE (11). HAHA. THIS KID IS GENETICALLY GIFTED OR DADDYS CYCLES PAID OFF.
LATER.

 

[slownsteady]

Wow, liver failure. I feel that is pretty scary shit, hey can you start a thread on that. Genetics, alcohol, drugs, tylenol, 17aa, or all or some of these factors and the truth only. I don't think just aas did that unless other factors came into play.

 

[theboneman]

wow, liver failure. I feel that is pretty scary shit, hey can you start a thread on that. Genetics, alcohol, drugs, tylenol, 17aa, or all or some of these factors and the truth only. I don't think just aas did that unless other factors came into play.

you are a very smart man.

 

[Digitalash]

If you're gonna stay off gear completely blast a few thousand iu's of hcg two weeks and then run another full clomid+aromasin pct. Again low dose test has been proven to not be effective contraception, and plenty of guys on TRT can still have kids especially if they use HCG year round. That would be my choice personally but it's up to you

 

[theboneman]

If you're gonna stay off gear completely blast a few thousand iu's of hcg two weeks and then run another full clomid+aromasin pct. Again low dose test has been proven to not be effective contraception, and plenty of guys on TRT can still have kids especially if they use HCG year round. That would be my choice personally but it's up to you

what do you reccomend?? a couple thou iu's a day or three times a week ?? thanks bro.

 

[Digitalash]

get two 5,000iu amps of hcg, do 1000 iu subcutaneously every other day until finished, run 12.5mg aromasin ED to suppress estro (to help prevent shutdown from estrogen as well as reduce the likelihood of estrogenic side effects from the hcg). After finishing the hcg wait 5 days and then start clomid + aromasin pct for four weeks. Get tested again like 6 weeks after your pct. If things aren't good by then look into triptorelin and hmg I guess?


edit: a post by Dr. Scally in case anyone thinks this is too much hcg.

I disagree that 1,000 IU is excessive for HPTA restoration. In fact, in the many many patients I treated for returning HPTA function, 500 IU was far too inadequate. I am talking about QOD to Q3D dosing. I agree that QD dosing is not worthwhile. The objective is to achieve maximal testes stimulation. On this point, testing is the ONLY method to determine effectiveness. On desensitization, at 2,500 IU or less, I never saw any sign of desensitization. On higher doses, 5,000 IU, I saw it once. It should be mentioned that the duration for use is typically no more than 1 month. A longer duration should use a lesser dose, but, again, testing is key. You can start at 500 IU, but if the response is insufficient, I would NOT hesitate to increase the dose (TT < 450). An important consideration for this are very few studies dealing with AIH. I do think there is a role for hMG. [This is half the battle! There is still the requirement for restoring LH & FSH.]



He advocates using nolva alongside clomid in PCT, and also no AI's as it makes bloodwork difficult to read (I believe that is his reasoning?). Estrogen is incredibly suppressive though and far moreso than testosterone so I think it's very important to reduce it when trying to recover hpta function. HCG causes large spikes in testosterone and also apparently increases levels of aromatase directly so estrogen can be an issue when using it.

 

[bjg]

dude you had liver problems and you are asking about steroids??? consult a doctor, no one here can prescribe to you a cycle or anything.....and if they do they are irresponsible and if you listen to them , you are too.

 

[msumuscle]

all aas will shut you down if you use it long enough go fuck yourself what the fuck is wrong with you?

LMAO my ass the tren hasn't kicked in yet!

 

[theboneman]

dude you had liver problems and you are asking about steroids??? consult a doctor, no one here can prescribe to you a cycle or anything.....and if they do they are irresponsible and if you listen to them , you are too.

ive cycled twice since my problem, our livers regenerate, my enzimes were normal on cycle, i took alot of liver support and alpha lipoic acid, anti oxidents etc, i have to be safe thats all, im actually doc prescribed test, my liver doc, and i see 3 other specialist, you can abuse tylenol and die.
i dont go nuts anymore, i really just dabble, but i get regular bloodwork, and monitor it very well.
i dont play with orals either, thier made to bypass ya liver, not good,
thank you for your concern, i appriciate your overlook on things there was a couple other factors that damaged me,to wit i dont do anymore, but im really safe, theres alot of docs monitoring me.
but i want you to know ill be cautious, and thank you for being responsable, you dont know me from adam, and i appriciate your view,
thanxs bones.

 

[PSYCHOPATH.]

Go to a doctor and get off all AAS.

1000ius HCG e3d for a total of 5 shots.
25mg aromasin EOD for 2months + (you can run it for upto six months)
clomid 50mg/day or nolva 10mg/day for 30-60days....


There's also a whole host of other fertility drugs that i don't know fuck all about.

I would go to a doc and tell him all about your situation and your intentions of impregnating your wife. I'd also go get my sperm checked for count and fertility.



....or a better solution, don't have kids.

 

[theboneman]

Go to a doctor and get off all AAS.

1000ius HCG e3d for a total of 5 shots.
25mg aromasin EOD for 2months + (you can run it for upto six months)
clomid 50mg/day or nolva 10mg/day for 30-60days....

thank you psycho !!
yea ive been seeing all sorts of doctors, and for the past seven months i have been on clomid, hcg, and nolvadex, in all different doses and schedules, i used proviron for the first 2, but stopped on so many neg views from members.
im waiting on hmg, it sounds promissing ?? i tried the tripereelin twice, and also a shit load of natural stuff,, were starting to think its not just the test that shut me down, last summer i almost died from liver failure, and that caused kidneys and other organs to shut down, maybe its due to that, my wife just wanted to try for one more, ( a-boy ), because she almost lost me and she'd like a son, only god knows, but shes 38, so were not gonna try after dec. i havnt used any thing in 7-months except pct stuff,
you mentioned some meds i havnt tried, so im gonna try that aromasin, and someone said toremafene ?? i go back to the doc soon, im gonna try and get hmg prescribed, its to expensive to do it right and cheaper for me if i can use my drug plan, thank you for your views brother, i appreciate all of em..
later,, bones.

thank you


There's also a whole host of other fertility drugs that i don't know fuck all about.

I would go to a doc and tell him all about your situation and your intentions of impregnating your wife. I'd also go get my sperm checked for count and fertility.



....or a better solution, don't have kids.

i put my message b4 yours ?? if it dont post, ill rewrite. yea its in there, it looks like its your message, sorry bout that, i wasnt paying attention,
stay strong brother !!

 

[bjg]

ive cycled twice since my problem, our livers regenerate, my enzimes were normal on cycle, i took alot of liver support and alpha lipoic acid, anti oxidents etc, i have to be safe thats all, im actually doc prescribed test, my liver doc, and i see 3 other specialist, you can abuse tylenol and die.
i dont go nuts anymore, i really just dabble, but i get regular bloodwork, and monitor it very well.
i dont play with orals either, thier made to bypass ya liver, not good,
thank you for your concern, i appriciate your overlook on things there was a couple other factors that damaged me,to wit i dont do anymore, but im really safe, theres alot of docs monitoring me.
but i want you to know ill be cautious, and thank you for being responsable, you dont know me from adam, and i appriciate your view,
thanxs bones.

ok man just be cautious...you have a family...looks are not worth the risks
take care

 

[theboneman]

ok man just be cautious...you have a family...looks are not worth the risks
take care

thank you, your right, i was so hung up on getting bigger and stronger that i almost killed my self !! i layed in the hosp and it kept running in my head, im fucking stupid, all for looks.
never again, like i said i dont even really cycle anymore, i pussyfoot it, a little here a little there, i aint mixing shit any more, i was on it for 2 1/2 weeks when i turned yellow !! heres my mistake, i pinned cyp 600mgs 3 times that week, took 4 anavars, 1- tren oral, and 25 mgs winstrol, BAM it was all over, everyone is different, and past abuse caught up with me.

im waiting right now to knock up wifey then ill do a little blend of oils with no orals, im taking a half a drol a day right now only bcause i lost all my gains and im fucking weak, ill stop in a couple weeks.
hey, thanks for caring brother. theres some real solid guys on this board.
later, bones

 

[theboneman]

!@#$%^&*()

 

[Grozny]

Guys, i been trying to get wifey pregnent, so im off the sauce, but im loosing to many gains, pct really aint helping any, so what gear can i bridge at safely ?? I have access to whatever, help me out, anavar maybe low dosed, seeing it only makes the muscles store creatine. But whats your view on it ??
Thanks, bones.

So if you are trying to build muscle, you are probably going to have to accept that HPTA suppression comes with it. Commonly the user will either take hCG during cycle or a full PCT program after to help with this.

Primobolan is very "mild" by most accounts, and a dose of 200-400 mg per week is usually regarded as an effective range. You shouldn't notice estrogenic issues at any dose, nor "bloat", as there is no estrogen aromatization.

 

[theboneman]

so if you are trying to build muscle, you are probably going to have to accept that hpta suppression comes with it. Commonly the user will either take hcg during cycle or a full pct program after to help with this.

primobolan is very "mild" by most accounts, and a dose of 200-400 mg per week is usually regarded as an effective range. You shouldn't notice estrogenic issues at any dose, nor "bloat", as there is no estrogen aromatization.

you hit that on the head bro, ive had alot of people give primo 5 stars, and rave about it, thats why its so expensive i guess, your also dead on with that hcg, i got my wife pregnant on cycle with it, but never knew she would want more so seeing i was in my early 40's i stopped all ancillaries and pct stuff and got sterile, now she wants another kid, hahaha, i been doing good pct for 7 months and still nothing, im giving up, i been to docs and ive been on crazy meds,.
I just started cheating w/ a half a drol a day,hahaha, thanks for your opinions bro,
you looked ripped, good job.
Later bones

 

[bjg]

just be careful about primo, although it is the safest steroid it is also the most counterfeited steroid ... so before doing any primo (200 mg a week is a relatively safe dose) make sure it is legit primo. the only legit primo. If you get any ..send a pic of it i can tell you if it is legit or not...here where i live we get it from BAYER company in turkey and we have lots of experience in identifying legit vs counterfeit.

 

[Digitalash]

there are UGL's that make primo as well though, you really have to trust your source there obvioiusly. The powders are out there so anyone can make it if they have the cash for raws

at around 2grand for 100g's that's probably not a whole lot of people

 

[bjg]

yesterday my friend ( was a national champion and now gym owner) showed me an excellent fake primo....looks exactly like the real one...clear inside, oily, same box, same package same colors, excellent quality tag on it, good expiry date and serial number ..everything was perfect except one detail: the ampule was slightly longer than the real one..you cannot guess the difference unless you have the real one next to it on a table or you precisely measure the ampule...the difference was 1 mm

 

[effinrob]

i would just stop running gear... someone might have a problem.... i mean i can totally understand doing test because its doctor supervised but is popping an oral worth your life... is being strong worth dying for. just be careful

 

[theboneman]

i would just stop running gear... Someone might have a problem.... I mean i can totally understand doing test because its doctor supervised but is popping an oral worth your life... Is being strong worth dying for. Just be careful

your right, you are 100% right. And second thought i dont need the orals at all, why risk it, it dont even make sense ??
Thank you..

 

[overburdened]

Primo is around, you just have to order from overseas.. I doubt it would shut you down as it does not aromatize and it is based of dht molecule... however, there is not certainty that it wouldn't... if I was trying to have a kid, I wouldnt take anything but hcg,clomid, and hmg, ai's, and serms(pct wise).... you can take, like many have said, hgh igf1lr3, cgc, etc. etc... none of the peps shut you down.... start by getting your pct ramped up(if you don't have hmg, get some!)

get her pregnant, then worry about getting on the juice, it don't take long to get her pregnant once youre fertile... and you'll have plenty of fun trying... then you can juice your ass off!

 

[theboneman]

Primo is around, you just have to order from overseas.. I doubt it would shut you down as it does not aromatize and it is based of dht molecule... however, there is not certainty that it wouldn't... if I was trying to have a kid, I wouldnt take anything but hcg,clomid, and hmg, ai's, and serms(pct wise).... you can take, like many have said, hgh igf1lr3, cgc, etc. etc... none of the peps shut you down.... start by getting your pct ramped up(if you don't have hmg, get some!)

get her pregnant, then worry about getting on the juice, it don't take long to get her pregnant once youre fertile... and you'll have plenty of fun trying... then you can juice your ass off!

yea, your right, you hit that right on the nail brother.