Fuck this shit

[ManInBlack]

Ok so I am on day 15 of my PCT for a test prop cycle (150mg EOD). I am running clomid 75/75/50/50

I feel like absolute SHIT. I never imagined I could feel this fucking bad during PCT. I have some Test C here and I am definitely thinking about using it. What do you guys think I should do?

I mean I am getting fucking bad headaches every fucking day and just feel tired and weak and like a complete BITCH.

 

[heavyiron]

Might throw an AI in there to boost free T.

 

[hypo_glycemic]

I would throw in some adex.. pct sucks ass! You will feel better in time.. It takes a while

 

[ManInBlack]

Thanks guys. I actually have some ADEX. What would be ideal? Maybe 0.5mg EOD

 

[hypo_glycemic]

Thanks guys. I actually have some ADEX. What would be ideal? Maybe 0.5mg EOD

I would run 0.5mg everyday but heavy might have a different opinion..

 

[Digitalash]

.25mg ED should be plenty


drink lots of coffee, keep your diet on point as much as you can manage and keep training. Around week 3 is where my libido started to come back and I started getting decent pumps again, still felt tired but that passes.

At least make it through pct + 2 weeks, hold on at least that long before you do anything drastic imo

 

[WallsOfJericho]

hope it works out for you, im on day 16 of pct and i feel great.

 

[_LG_]

Trenbolone

 

[ManInBlack]

Thanks for the replies.

I am going to stick it out..bout two weeks left on this PCT. I already have my papers for bloodwork and I am wanting to get BW done ASAP after PCT and I am hoping my numbers are good so I can jump back on. After the next cycle I will be cruising.

So, with that said, is 2 weeks after PCT too early to get BW? I know the recommended time is like 4-6 weeks or some shit?

 

[D-Lats]

Hmm sounds like you need some suspension. I gave up on pct. I'll be pinning for life

 

[ManInBlack]

Hmm sounds like you need some suspension. I gave up on pct. I'll be pinning for life

Shit, you're telling me man. I can't stand feeling like this. It's like all confidence, alphaness, everything is out the fucking window.

 

[ManInBlack]

Not to mention strength took a signifcant plunge.

I worked legs the other day and I hit 315 for a set of 8 then a set of 6 then a set of 5. On cycle I was hitting 315 for 15 reps and got up to around 430-435 for a few.

A guy that would spot me a lot when I was going real heavy on cycle was like "damn man what happened?"

 

[Digitalash]

In this thread, a bunch of guys who cruise tell someone to continue with pct


Your T will be artificially elevated for a bit after stopping the serms so bloodwork might not provide a good picture @ 2 weeks. In all honesty bro, not to sway anyone in this direction but if you've already decided you will most likely cruise in the future, then I'd say just hop back on 200\-250mg a week.... Again only if you've put some thought into it and are pretty sure that's what you want.

 

[ManInBlack]

In this thread, a bunch of guys who cruise tell someone to continue with pct


Your T will be artificially elevated for a bit after stopping the serms so bloodwork might not provide a good picture @ 2 weeks. In all honesty bro, not to sway anyone in this direction but if you've already decided you will most likely cruise in the future, then I'd say just hop back on 200\-250mg a week.... Again only if you've put some thought into it and are pretty sure that's what you want.

Yeah I have this bottle of Cyp here that is definitely tempting but I know that me and the girlfriend will be wanting to have kids in the next 3 years or so and that is definitely holding me back from going ahead and cruising now. Fuck, decisions decisions.

 

[Digitalash]

hcg and a-dex year round brah, donate some sperm and have it frozen just to be safe

 

[ManInBlack]

Ok, so say I jump back on with 200mg/cyp a week.

I have HCG and Adex on hand, also have Aromasin....what would you suggest?

 

[Digitalash]

estrogen is supposedly 200x more suppressive than test, so you want to keep that to a minimum. 200mg cyp a week you won't need much, I use .25mg adex 3x a week with good results on 250mg E.

As far as HCG I'd read up a tad as I don't use it. I've heard 500iu 2x a week is enough to keep testicular function almost entirely normal even on cycle. Stay away from 19-nor's as they interact with the progesterone receptor and cause shutdown via a third pathway (estrogen receptor, androgen receptor, progest receptor). Low dose test in itself is not entirely suppressive and if estro is controlled and hcg is used your sperm count should remain fairly healthy.

Are you a caucasian by any chance? I remember reading a study where test was used as a pretty effective contraception in asians but it doesn't work so well in whites. Not sure about african americans as I don't believe that was tested for whatever reason. Nandrolone was required to effectively sterilize the white test group.

 

[heavyiron]

Thanks guys. I actually have some ADEX. What would be ideal? Maybe 0.5mg EOD

You won't need much to boost free T off cycle. I would likely start with your proposed dose.

 

[theboneman]

they ansered on the money, what caught my attention was you thinking about children, me and wifey been trying and ive been on pct for 7 months, (GOOD) pct. and im still sterile from cyp. i was on it for bout 18 months, and ive been totally shut down for a year, that i know of, so when you say decisions,
you gotta think about serious life issues with you and wife, i have three girls (kids). and wifey is still fucking ripped bout this matter, it makes ya feel bad when you cant give them something you was born to give.
i almost killed myself with gear, and ill never put my looks over anything again, you can always juice, but can ya always have a kid.
ive been saving up gear while on pct. when your done, youll have an awesome stash and youll be happy,
well my friend i wish you the very best in your world, good luck and you know youll make the right choices.
bones

 

[easymoneymike]

I feel your pain man. First time I did PCT I felt like complete shit. Emotions were all over the place. One day I would feel like a pregnant woman and would want to nothing but sit around, eat junk food and watching fuckin chick flicks. The next day I would feel ok but weak and tired, not my usual self. Its not something I want to have to do again but I also don't really want to go to cruising either. Might want to take a day or two and clear you head. Just go and do something with the GF or the bro's to get your mind off of things and relax a bit. Just remember you don't have anything if you don't have your health and happiness. In the long run, you have to look at the big picture of things and unless you plan on seriously competing at a high level its not worth it to put your body thru hell just to look good today.

 

[theboneman]

i feel your pain man. First time i did pct i felt like complete shit. Emotions were all over the place. One day i would feel like a pregnant woman and would want to nothing but sit around, eat junk food and watching fuckin chick flicks. The next day i would feel ok but weak and tired, not my usual self. Its not something i want to have to do again but i also don't really want to go to cruising either. Might want to take a day or two and clear you head. Just go and do something with the gf or the bro's to get your mind off of things and relax a bit. Just remember you don't have anything if you don't have your health and happiness. In the long run, you have to look at the big picture of things and unless you plan on seriously competing at a high level its not worth it to put your body thru hell just to look good today.

^^^^ exactley !! ^^^^

 

[Goldenera]

Boneman and easymoney sum it all up.

My last pct was brutal and it took me 2 months from last pin to feel normal again. Don't cave and go to a cruise IMHO. That's not a decision to take lightly ESP if u want kids. unless u compete at a pro level if u truly want kids that should be your top priority IMHO.

 

[theboneman]

Boneman and easymoney sum it all up.

My last pct was brutal and it took me 2 months from last pin to feel normal again. Don't cave and go to a cruise IMHO. That's not a decision to take lightly ESP if u want kids. unless u compete at a pro level if u truly want kids that should be your top priority IMHO.

WOW !! look at these post bro ^^^^ these guys are hitting you with some love, thats honesty !!
fight the good fight, when i was early in my recovery, my friend use to have one line, and i heard it alot, and still hear it today,,
( THIS TOO, SHALL PASS )!!!
WE ALL MAKE IT THRU THESE SITUATIONS, THE KEY IS WHAT KINDA RESULTS YOUR GETTING IN THE END, HOW ARE YOU SITTING WHEN ALLS SAID AND DONE !!
as long as you put whats most important first, then youll be fine, the mistake we make sometimes is the very fact that we ignore our own conscience's,
we know better, and refuse to listen to ourselves, if you listen to you, youll leed yourself right where you wanna be,
later bro's !!
THIS TOO SHALL PASS !!

 

[ManInBlack]

Hell yeah, this is why I like this forums.

Thanks guys, I needed to hear all of this and it's good to know that you all have been through it before. "this too shall pass" right on bro....I am going to finish out this PCT and add in some adex like Heavy suggested, take another few weeks and get bloodwork and then see where I'm at. You guys helped me out a lot today and I appreciate it.

DIGITAL, I apologize for you having to type all that stuff out about cruising and all that seeing as I am not going to be going that route now but it wasn't in vain. That information will help me in the future.

THANKS again!

 

[Digitalash]

Not a problem at all bro, glad to help. I assumed you had sort of already made the decision so I apologize if it seemed I was trying to talk you into it haha

Definitely keep going then bro, it gets easier everyday. You've got all the time in the world to cycle and he's right, you won't be able to have kids forever.

 

[hill450]

I just got back from the gym and was gonna post something about how coming off blows complete dick. I am getting ready to start pct. Did 9 weeks of test e 250, why 9? because I'm retarded and poor and only had 3 vials lol yea always get plenty...I'm waiting on some raws so that won't happen again. Anyway I feel like complete ass and pretty well everything else you said. Not totally convinced I'm not sick. I haven't felt good for the past 4 days, hungover sunday but shit I didn't drink that much. And I honestly feel hungover still. I'm nauseous most of the time, tired as shit, weak as hell. I didn't even want to work back today. I felt like I was struggling with 100 pound dumbbells benching last night on incline when a couple weeks ago 110's were my bitch on incline. Hell last week I just got 80's for 20 reps. This is bullshit I never thought it would be this bad. I was happy and always in a good mood on test! I can't wait to go back on! I feel your pain man in black!

 

[Goldenera]

No prob bro. That's what these forums should be for!
I love the iron game and looking good for sure. On the other hand I'm recently a 1st time father and I will tell u this......I wouldn't trade that for anything! It's one thing if u are at the pro level and the iron game is your job. Sacrificing kids for the sake of vanity.......gotta really think hard on that one.

 

[ManInBlack]

Hill, lets kick this PCT right in the fucking ass together bro.

 

[theboneman]

i just got back from the gym and was gonna post something about how coming off blows complete dick. I am getting ready to start pct. Did 9 weeks of test e 250, why 9? Because i'm retarded and poor and only had 3 vials lol yea always get plenty...i'm waiting on some raws so that won't happen again. Anyway i feel like complete ass and pretty well everything else you said. Not totally convinced i'm not sick. I haven't felt good for the past 4 days, hungover sunday but shit i didn't drink that much. And i honestly feel hungover still. I'm nauseous most of the time, tired as shit, weak as hell. I didn't even want to work back today. I felt like i was struggling with 100 pound dumbbells benching last night on incline when a couple weeks ago 110's were my bitch on incline. Hell last week i just got 80's for 20 reps. This is bullshit i never thought it would be this bad. I was happy and always in a good mood on test! I can't wait to go back on! I feel your pain man in black!

hey if you can run some hcg, it will make you feel so much better, infact it raises your t so much, some say take a anti estrogen with it so you dont get tittys, and ya know what, your a viking bro, going to the gym was work today, it would of been so easy to stay home,but you went and got paid, good job, your gonna be just fine.

 

[hill450]

Lol I'm just sad man, I don't guess I realized just how great it was until now. Hell I was pissed when I didn't get to shoot anymore, this is much shittier. Nothing like coming off a prohormone! Already planning out my next cycle though so that keeps me happy and gonna brew soon. Thinking test prop, test c, and tren a next cycle, hopefully get cut the fuck up!