plifter198
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After lookin at some pre contest pics of pros i got to wondering what gives that really grainy look? is it the mast/winni? dont give answers like cardio n diet either plz
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what gives that insanely grainy look??
- Thread starter plifter198
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An AAS cocktail of various drugs, low fat diet, lifting heavy(thickens veins) and heredity. I`ve seen guys that are absolute monsters(250ish, 8% bf) with not much vascularity and noobs(160ish, training for 6 months) that look like a friggin roadmap.
I've never competed so it'll be really cool to hear what guys with some contests under their belt will say. I've heard that the lengths to which bodybuilders go to achieve the pinnacle of "dry" onstage is such that when they look their best, they're feeling their worst (from energy depletion, dehydration, etc.). Not sure if that's the case, just what I've heard and I think Cutler talked about it at one point.
Thunder46
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I think extremely low bodyfat, halo, masteron, and winnie
overburdened
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you may not want to hear it but diet and cardio is how you get there... all the drugs(aas, diuretics) in the world wont get you there without the diet and cardio... but for the drugs... tren, halo, winny,test susp, primo, mast,...I'm having a brain fart and leaving a couple out... but you get the idea.. then , when you are lean, dry, depleted... you have to 'dry' out.. this can involve sodium cycling, and generally involves diuretics(lasix, demadex, diazide, hctz, spironolactone...)
heckler7
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What's your thinking on halo? How does that contribute to the ultra-dry cut look the pros exhibit at contests?
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Digitalash
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low bodyfat and extreme dryness, water/carb/sodium manipulation leading up to the contest to drop as much water as possible and then they use strong diuretics.
This is probably closest to the truth. Carbohydrate manipulation combined with water depletion in the last 36 hours give or take before the show can have a profound effect on your appearance. In the last 36 hours before my show after I had dropped water and carbs, (then spiked them the day of the comp) I was noticing changes every 4 hours or so, as I became seemingly more dry by the hour. It comes at a price though. I had no energy, and I also had a hard time getting a pump backstage. Carb cycling works well for me. Your muscles retain more glycogen so they appear more full and less stringy the day of the show. Not to mention you feel alot less lethargic while training. This is in comparison to a "low-carb" pre-contest strategy.
Some guys will slam water down after pre-judging because that's what matters most. So they don't care if they appear more fluffy on their individual routines. But I find that I look better if I just hold out until the end of the show, because I want to look my best 100% of the time. It makes it all worth it when I'm slamming down a coke and a couple slices of pizza afterwards! It really comes down to trial and error. Some people spike carbs 6 hours out, and some spike carbs 2 hours out. It depends on numerous factors, including how low your BF% is and how much water you are still retaining. Water and carb manipulation are powerful tools.
I've got a buddy that does some minor competitions and he starts measuring out his water like a week away from comp.. Takes around 2 cups a day or less I think for the last 4-7 days
Digitalash
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I think at first water intake goes wayy up so the body starts flushing out water rapidly, then they drop it down real low just before the contest so they keep flushing and dehydrate quickly. I've heard some guys don't drink like any water at all for the last day or so precontest, not sure if that's true or not though.
Do diuretics negate the need for all this sodium/carb/water manipulation or does it just add to it? I mean is that something guys only do really hardcore when they're not using diuretics?
Do diuretics negate the need for all this sodium/carb/water manipulation or does it just add to it? I mean is that something guys only do really hardcore when they're not using diuretics?
Schwarz
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Drugs.. Diuretics,GH,Tren,Low dose of Test,Arimidex,Winstrol..MAsteron and Halo.
If you Eat clean..oats brown rice, sweet potato, fish,White meat (chicken and Turkey breast) ...no LOW GI carbs..only Goods Fats..(omega 3-6-9)every fucking days.. with 4 to 6 days of cardio..after workouts or first thing in the morning..you'll beat the genetic.
If you Eat clean..oats brown rice, sweet potato, fish,White meat (chicken and Turkey breast) ...no LOW GI carbs..only Goods Fats..(omega 3-6-9)every fucking days.. with 4 to 6 days of cardio..after workouts or first thing in the morning..you'll beat the genetic.
Thunder46
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Halotestin concentrates in building a leaner muscle making it harder and tighter which makes this steroid a good cutting agent especially during pre-contest trainings. For those who already have a low fat body, being a cutting agent, it makes the muscles more distinct and defined.
s2h
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Theres so many factors to getting that grainy look it would be impossible to pinpoint one thing...if you look at the majority of competitors that come in really.grainy and hard...they dont ever really get out of shape yr round....muscle maturity also plays a part...drugs are a factor...but not as big of one as most would think....stuff like water/carb/sodium depletion take a few tries before most get it right....even the best prep coaches miss.the mark with first time clients....so exp helps..
heckler7
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I always thought it was muscle tech products, because the guys in their adds are freaks! Plus the labels always say something like "warning using this product will cause extreme muscle growth'
Why? What does insulin do that would cause that?
~RaZr~
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Open up a pharmacology book and read about insulin's effects. There is a reason why Type 2 Diabetics gain weight once they are started on insulin therapy.
I thought about this question for years and now that I'm 3 weeks out from my first ever show I know some of the answers.
It is definitely a combo of diet, drugs and genetics. 12 weeks of super clean carb cycling contest dieting plus HGH, Tren, Provi, Winny, Halo and AIs changed how my body looks in ways I never thought possible.
I was told to pinch the skin on the back of my hand near the knuckles and if my skin all over my body wasn't that thin then I hadn't dieted hard enough. Not there yet but w 3 weeks to go it is closer than I ever thought possible.
The first time you look in the mirror and see striations in ur ass is truly a "holy shit" moment. lol
It is definitely a combo of diet, drugs and genetics. 12 weeks of super clean carb cycling contest dieting plus HGH, Tren, Provi, Winny, Halo and AIs changed how my body looks in ways I never thought possible.
I was told to pinch the skin on the back of my hand near the knuckles and if my skin all over my body wasn't that thin then I hadn't dieted hard enough. Not there yet but w 3 weeks to go it is closer than I ever thought possible.
The first time you look in the mirror and see striations in ur ass is truly a "holy shit" moment. lol
sscar
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this is absolutly the wrong thing to do. I competed 15 years in all natural contest (poly graph and urine) I drank almost two gallons a day right up to the contest day.If you deprive your body of water it will hold on to all it can a.k.a hold water.If you flood it with water it will get rid of excess.I won 2 state titles along with national titles and placed in the top 5 in the mr. u.s.a .People backstage always asked me how i got so dam ripped.One guy was so thirsty and dehidrated from lack of water he passed out.research this topic.
I don't have a very well-read understanding on insulin, but I'm looking to learn more. I thought diabetics gained weight on insulin because their blood sugar drops resulting in excess glucose stored in their cells. With the athletic workload of a bodybuilder, though, I just figured this wasn't anything for which nutritional adjustments and training couldn't compensate. It's been said a million times (and in a disparaging manner, which I find unfair) that Phil Heath has utilized slin like crazy over the past decade and you read about the "fullness" of muscle caused by glycogen storage, and he's basically the poster boy. That said, while he doesn't have Dorian Yates-esque striation, he's pretty well defined too.
~RaZr~
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Well usually when BBers prep for the a show, they are depleting everything (fat, water, excess anything) they can. You have to remember that when they are in the final days, they will throw EVERYTHING into their bodies (juice, stims, diuretics, etc) to get that "below 5% bf" look.
With that said I'm sure that during the offseason, they will slam slin like crazy in an all out attempt to get as big as possible.
With that said I'm sure that during the offseason, they will slam slin like crazy in an all out attempt to get as big as possible.
Makes total sense, thanks for explaining bro.
This is why I can't understand the argument against Phil Heath, putting him down for suspected slin usage. Every pro is utilizing every resource at their disposal to produce the optimal body for the stage.
Incorrect re water - u actually drink 1.5 - 2 gals ED right up til 12-48 hours before show. Ur body gets use to flushing it so then when u restrict it and have none to flush it is pulled out of ur skin and sub q area into ur muscles if ur carbs and sodium are right. The human body really is an amazing thing with how fast and effective it adjusts to changes and inputs.
Well diet and cardio is a big part of the answer so if you don't want the answer then don't ask. That qualification of yours was like what makes the sky blue and don't tell me it has to do with oxygen.
The answer is
1. low body fat
2. lots of hardeners (i.e. win/var/Halo)
3. nutrient timing i.e. carb load after depleting
4. water manipulation
tinyshrek
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Genetics. Period! End of thread lol. Seriously you either have it or you don't
tinyshrek
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There a few who have it now, branch, Evan, and that's about it. Dorian and Ronnie too... Gaspari
