daisygirl18
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Long story short this is for a friend and he wants to know what's better methadone or suboxone thanks
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Neither are a really good option, just a different drug. The best thing is a stint in Teen Challenge, highest success rate in the world.
They also screw up hormone levels, she should have that checked.
Neither are a really good option, just a different drug. The best thing is a stint in Teen Challenge, highest success rate in the world.
They also screw up hormone levels, she should have that checked.
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JUS GOT THROUGH IT methgadone and suboxen only hinder it because eventually its going to come
The issue isn't which is the better option. The issue is what's going to keep him/her clean after withdrawals?
I've done it cold turkey and with suboxone. If they're a heavy user then cold turkey isn't an easy option. I was a heavy user prior to getting clean and couldn't handle cold turkey. Sub's saved me but I had to pay the piper coming of them eventually. Although, I had enough willpower to taper the sub dose down to .5mg per day then jumped off them. It took about a month and the withdrawals were minor. Only cold like symptoms for 3 days.
Tell them good luck!
I've done it cold turkey and with suboxone. If they're a heavy user then cold turkey isn't an easy option. I was a heavy user prior to getting clean and couldn't handle cold turkey. Sub's saved me but I had to pay the piper coming of them eventually. Although, I had enough willpower to taper the sub dose down to .5mg per day then jumped off them. It took about a month and the withdrawals were minor. Only cold like symptoms for 3 days.
Tell them good luck!
daisygirl18
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thank you for the responses I know a drug for a drug isn't a good choice I just wish she would learn thank you though so much
So when 4 years ago i got sober, make a long story short i was a heroin/oxycontin addict. Still an addict and will always have the disease but im sober, When i was 18 i tried really hard went through rehab and took methadone. Its just a replacement and a good one. 4 years ago i signed myself into hopsital and did a 2month stent in mental hospital after. Dope sick sucks, yes. However the only true sobriety is being sober. I am so happy with what life has given me. Tell your "friend" to admit and detox, i would do it under doctors supervision, you can do it without but for me i needed those 2 months to come to reality, and if i wasnt locked away i would have never made it. DO whatever the phuck you have to to get off. The change of life and the changes of yourself are amazing. None of these changes would have ever happened if i was still visiting methadone clinic.
Do some research in to "Kratom" it's an herb that is used in south east asia for withdraws. You get a small buzz from it but it'll help take the edge off. And you can find here in the U.S.
s2h
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Kratom is a much better option then either subox or methadone....its very affordable....and for a heavy user there is no buzz or strange feelings....but there is also no withdrawal....you need to get enhanced bali kratom...theres a bunch of diff kinds of kratom and this one works the best...a 30-40 ed norco habit user can use kratom to get off with no sides...and then since the kratom really doesnt do much for the heavy user they can and will taper off it over a few months...it is also used in s.e. asia by workers to get a lil motivation...it has some similiar properties as adderal in it gets you very motivated and wanting to focus...quality is a must...some is better then others...it works...i know...
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Methadone is a far worse drug to come off of than any opiate. It is a synthetic opiate and the withdrawals are far longer than other opiates... I have no idea why it is even used to come off of other opiates when it is far worse of a withdrawal. Kratom is the way to go for sure!
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Use this site. Kratom : Dragon Herbarium, Herbs Spices Herbal Tea Tincture Essential Oil They are in Portland OR. 1oz(30g) is 25bucks. Depending on how far deep they're in IDK how much theyll need. try 5-10mg. The only side effect I know of is nausea at high doses.
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Get a new phone, make new friends, take 3 days off from work get vitamins and possibly benzos (a lot of people will say not but one or two a day before bed will combat a lot of the restless legs and tossing an turning through out the night. Warm baths during the day and get out and walk and try an do exercise. Believe it or not exercising alone releases natural endorphins which are the same as opiates. One of the main reason people get almost addicted to working out. After your done working out you feel so dam good some call it runners high. But yea decide your going to quit for your self make new friends get a new number and take a few days off. I would go cold turkey because once you get subs you end up selling them or trading them to get high again. And with prolong use the withdraw from subs last a lot longer and methadone is no joke it can last up to a month straight.
Why was he taking them in the first place? Was he prescribed it or just wanted to experiment? A really big factor in addiction(s) is the environment and cues we get from it. I'd start at this question first which is related to behavioural therapy before jumping to other drugs as a solution.
Neither bro. I went through the suboxone shit and the withdrawals can last for months. It was months of complete hell. Just tell your friend to google the "Thomas Recipe" and gear up for 7 days of hell.
daisygirl18
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thanks for the info everyone im passing it all along so the more the better
You guys are right about Kratom. I took it to get off 8mgs of suboxone daily and then slowly tapered off the kratom. No I take the kratom recreationally about once a month. I have been off suboxone for 4 years and still can't get an opiate buzz no matter what I take. That definitely is a good thing for me. Also daisygirl, a good quality source for kratom that I have used for years is the kratom king.
why someone started, were they get it from, who they get it from, etc. None of that matters once someone has a problem. Lifestyle, outlook, surroundings, etc are all things that need to be changed but will not help until someone gets sober. Do whatever is necessary to detox and be clean, get into a good program were their is some quality sobriety, then proceed forward with dropping old people, places, things. The first important thing is safely detoxing. A plan is important. while i spent my stent in hospital i found meetings and contacts before i ever got out, so i had no lag time resting on my laurels.
This Krantom may be a good herb but honestly i wouldnt play doctor and self medicate, that is a dangerous gesture to an alcoholic or addict. Seek true medical advice and be honest, make sure you have an intelligent doctor to help detox. Do not allow them to give you any opiate or benzo therapy, these drugs are not needed their are much better non addictive meds. As i said krantom may be great but i think the idea of self dosing anything that alters perception or can cause a high of any kind is not good for someone trying to get clean. Just my .02
I use this myself, (car accident, back messed up) and its VERY good for coming off heroin and other like compounds. (Not me personally but have seen a lot about it)
ALOT are praising it for allowing it to wean them off. In the end you will have to endure the few weeks of withdrawals but take kratom for a few weeks-2months with Nothing ELSE. Taper down (something like: wk1 10g ed/ wk2 8g ed/ wk3 5g ed/wk4 2-3g ed) even add in 1-2g for another 1-2 weeks depending on how you’re doing.
I only take 3=7g myself ed but only a couple-few times a week. I try to avoid even that.
Feel free to pm me on where I get mine if you wish.
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hypo_glycemic
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L-Theanine is what we sell a lot of after people go through withdraws.
^ i just mentioned that in another thread for panic/anxiety. It helps a lot and it focuses you. Most anxiolytics make you feel spaced out, theanine doesnt at all.
BEST I have had and great price : Borneo Red Vein
link: Bikhuk Kratom Powder - Ethnobotanicals buy direct from the source!: kratom powder
but its only bulk orders. worth it though.
they have smaller re-sellers right on site if you only want lesser amounts.
use them myself
daisygirl18
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How do you use Kratom?
if ur "friend" still has any of these let me know, i have a "friend" who is in the market for them
dirtbiker666
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If you use that link i posted you can mix is with fruit juice cuz it tastes nasty. try 5mg to start. I think they also sell them in capsules
