lower androgens higher anobolics?

[weightslayer]

Question: ive seen some interesting posts on some other forums and have heard for a while that some guys take lower test doses and higher anabolic doses like higher tren or deca or NPP? anybody try this? and is there some merit in it? i have always used higher test doses than my anabolics. anyone?

 

[heavyiron]

Its a common protocol at the end of a prep. Works great if you really want to show off the muscle.

I'm a test lover but dropping T down low does make you look better with anabolics.

 

[KUVinny]

They are all androgens. Tren is more androgenic the test is by a significant factor.

But yes, many people have found merit in dosing test lower than other compounds which have higher anabolic/androgenic values than test.

 

[MattPorter]

Question: ive seen some interesting posts on some other forums and have heard for a while that some guys take lower test doses and higher anabolic doses like higher tren or deca or NPP? anybody try this? and is there some merit in it? i have always used higher test doses than my anabolics. anyone?

This is exactly what I advise my competitors to follow -- Testosterone at 350-500 mg/week
-- Tren acetate at 500-700 mg/week
-- Mast Prop at 400-600 mg/week
-- Oral 17aa (var/win) 50 ed

-Matt

 

[tinyshrek]

This is exactly what I advise my competitors to follow -- Testosterone at 350-500 mg/week
-- Tren acetate at 500-700 mg/week
-- Mast Prop at 400-600 mg/week
-- Oral 17aa (var/win) 50 ed

-Matt

That's the precontest stack right thur!

 

[MattPorter]

That's the precontest stack right thur!

Right. I mean sure you can get in contest shape on ANY drug protocol ---- but remember how all the "gurus" have all their guys on redundant anti-E' and AI's and DHT products like nolv,adex,letro, proviron etc..... because they have their guys run test HIGH 1000-1500 range...

Why take something that high when you have to kill your health with overkill of any e's and AI;'s? --- Just lower the friggin test (500) USE DHT TO LOWER E2 + harden muscles and rely on non-test products ran higher dose range.

-Matt

 

[fsoe]

Right. I mean sure you can get in contest shape on ANY drug protocol ---- but remember how all the "gurus" have all their guys on redundant anti-E' and AI's and DHT products like nolv,adex,letro, proviron etc..... because they have their guys run test HIGH 1000-1500 range...

Why take something that high when you have to kill your health with overkill of any e's and AI;'s? --- Just lower the friggin test (500) USE DHT TO LOWER E2 + harden muscles and rely on non-test products ran higher dose range.

-Matt

Strong and very valid point

 

[weightslayer]

nice, thanks for the info guys. I'm currently 240lb and am on a cruise dose of test E at 250mgs weekly. i have started dieting and want to shed some fat. when i get down to 10% BF or lower i think i may try this protocol. here's what i have:
11,000mgs of test prop
4500mgs of NPP
3000mgs of cut mix(prop-tren-mast)
2000mgs of DBol
Any thoughts?

 

[sofargone561]

nice, thanks for the info guys. I'm currently 240lb and am on a cruise dose of test E at 250mgs weekly. i have started dieting and want to shed some fat. when i get down to 10% BF or lower i think i may try this protocol. here's what i have:
11,000mgs of test prop
4500mgs of NPP
3000mgs of cut mix(prop-tren-mast)
2000mgs of DBol
Any thoughts?

sounds like a good 2 week stack

 

[JUSTRIGHT]

This is exactly what I advise my competitors to follow -- Testosterone at 350-500 mg/week
-- Tren acetate at 500-700 mg/week
-- Mast Prop at 400-600 mg/week
-- Oral 17aa (var/win) 50 ed

-Matt

Great cycle, I am running the same thing right now , adding the master next week. Three weeks in I have added 4lbs and lost 3% bf. I am a believer in low test/high tren a def lower sides

 

[Digitalash]

nice, thanks for the info guys. I'm currently 240lb and am on a cruise dose of test E at 250mgs weekly. i have started dieting and want to shed some fat. when i get down to 10% BF or lower i think i may try this protocol. here's what i have:
11,000mgs of test prop
4500mgs of NPP
3000mgs of cut mix(prop-tren-mast)
2000mgs of DBol
Any thoughts?

I misread this and nearly spit water on my screen thinking these were your weekly doses lmao...

 

[weightslayer]

I misread this and nearly spit water on my screen thinking these were your weekly doses lmao...

no! i'd probably be dead! that is the total amount of gear i have hanging around as of now. i like to do shorter cycles like 8-10 weeks, so i was trying to get some suggestions on how to lay it out. i'll probably just do what i always do though and lower the test to 300-350 and add some NPP at 450-500 weekly.

 

[Digitalash]

test prop/dbol/npp for 4-6 weeks
then just cutmix til you run out lol
sounds fun


Also yes those doses might kill you, but after seeing the kinda shit some guys actually run I'm not even sure these days...

 

[weightslayer]

test prop/dbol/npp for 4-6 weeks
then just cutmix til you run out lol
sounds fun


Also yes those doses might kill you, but after seeing the kinda shit some guys actually run I'm not even sure these days...

i know right?!!!!

 

[Digitalash]

I read a thread on another forum by a guy who's been running 3g test a week plus other shit for years now, he apparently sees no issue running 150-250mg anadrol a day for sometimes months at a time. He's a big mofo yes but even the other guys on the board were a bit concerned for his health... He says he needs at least 1g to maintain and 3g or up to grow at this point, not sure how true that is but damn thats gotta get pricy


edit: I haven't followed the story but apparently his last bloodwork over a yr ago was very bad and turned into a huge thread on people telling him he needs to lay off. He says he hasn't done bloods since and hasn't changed anything... How some people are even alive amazes me sometimes

 

[MattPorter]

I read a thread on another forum by a guy who's been running 3g test a week plus other shit for years now, he apparently sees no issue running 150-250mg anadrol a day for sometimes months at a time. He's a big mofo yes but even the other guys on the board were a bit concerned for his health... He says he needs at least 1g to maintain and 3g or up to grow at this point, not sure how true that is but damn thats gotta get pricy


edit: I haven't followed the story but apparently his last bloodwork over a yr ago was very bad and turned into a huge thread on people telling him he needs to lay off. He says he hasn't done bloods since and hasn't changed anything... How some people are even alive amazes me sometimes

Yea I know the featured member you speak of --- he does look awesome from his avatar. I dont like the sound of grams of testosterone.
I think 750 is about the perfect high dose TBH.

If you have access to legit primo, NPP, EQ of course tren --- keep those bad boys in a good dose and the "look" of the physique with just some test will be much more appealing from a BB'er stand point.

-matt

 

[tinyshrek]

Yea I know the featured member you speak of --- he does look awesome from his avatar. I dont like the sound of grams of testosterone.
I think 750 is about the perfect high dose TBH.

If you have access to legit primo, NPP, EQ of course tren --- keep those bad boys in a good dose and the "look" of the physique with just some test will be much more appealing from a BB'er stand point.

-matt

Totally agree I think that's part of what blurs lines in a physique is crazy amounts of Test. Seen guys run GH, slin with lower levels of AAS and they look amazing. No need for crazy ass doses

 

[tinyshrek]

Me personally I love smaller doses in off season of stuff like test 500-750 and deca or tren e 400 maybe an oral like dbol or drol here and there. Just let the diet and training do your growing. And those are large doses for me!! Leave the crazier stuff for precontest stuff