September bulk

[trapzilla]

Now this is just planning far in advance tbh. Planning my September bulk after my cut. Going to be trying a couple of things.

Weeks 1-6 bolasterone 100mg ed
Weeks 1-6 var 50mg ed
Week 1-4 & 9-12 slin 10iu every 4 hours & post workout, eod.
Weeks 1-4 & 9-12 DNP 400mg ed
Week 5-8 & 13-16 metformin 500 mg 3x daily
Weeks 1-16 test enth 600mg ew
Weeks 1-16 Tren enth 600mg ew
Weeks 1-16 100mcg T3 2on/2off
Week 11-16 anadrol 100/150mgs Ed
Week 11-16 var 50mgs Ed

Nolva and adex throughout. Maybe GH If I can afford it but doubtful tbh, if I was I would do it in a blast format not decided how yet. As it is doubtful I'll have the funds.

This may well be overkill to the Nth degree but just checking things are sound in theory. So any feedback is appreciated.

One thing I can't figure out is how to change my carb intake when on the DNP to stop me melting really. I was thinking of doing almost a CKD bulk with just minimal carbs around my slin dosage and the rest of the time having none, it'll work out i'll be pinning slin every other meal.

Final question it may seem a basic one but I can't find an answer, after the slin injection do they have to be fast digesting carbs like maltodextrin/ dextrose etc or can they be more starchy like sweet potatoes/ brown rice?

P.s. aware it's a lot of orals but shouldn't do too much damage, I've done worse.

 

[Digitalash]

forget the slin imo.... metformin should be ok. If this is a bulk why are you runnin t3 and especially dnp?? Also I think too many orals, why not just add a short ester at the end instead of drol, especially after all the liver stress you're already putting on yourself. No idea what bolasterone is but for a bulk if you want I'd run the drol first, not sure why you'd pick var really

 

[juiceball44]

gh should be the number one priority, no gh = no bodybuilder

 

[Buckeye Fan]

Why Nolva throughout?

 

[trapzilla]

forget the slin imo.... metformin should be ok. If this is a bulk why are you runnin t3 and especially dnp?? Also I think too many orals, why not just add a short ester at the end instead of drol, especially after all the liver stress you're already putting on yourself. No idea what bolasterone is but for a bulk if you want I'd run the drol first, not sure why you'd pick var really

Why forget the slin?
T3 is being run to increase metabolic rate and protein turnover calories will be well above maintenance. DNP is only run during slin phases to prevent far storage or at least reduce it.
No short ester really gives me what I get off drol. Bolsterone is quite a oestrogenic compound easiest way to think about it is drol meets Dbol tbh. Var is there for vascularity and strength, aswell as hardness I just love var really.

Nolva throughout to prevent gyno with test at 600mg a week adex is not enough to stop me getting gyno so nolva at 20mg Ed does that.

GH is out of my budget right now, so thats a no go. It would cost more than my entire cycle for 300 ius of GH.

 

[Idra]

you are not running a bulk cycle with 4 weeks of DNP accurately dosed at 400. Do some research, this cycle is dumb as fuck.

 

[trapzilla]

you are not running a bulk cycle with 4 weeks of DNP accurately dosed at 400. Do some research, this cycle is dumb as fuck.

Care to explain why?

 

[Schwarz]

DNP and T3...in a bulk cycle..nope. You waste your money.. 2 orals....anavar?+ metomorfin and slin..sriously? strange think..you dont even up your test-e dosage in 16 weeks..
go with Dbol and Drol ..50+50..Test+Deca/tren +slin + CLEN/t3 cardio,eating great.... iwill not take anything else..

 

[Idra]

Care to explain why?

I hope that's a joke.

 

[trapzilla]

I hope that's a joke.

Well I guess its your unlucky day today. I would like to know why 4 weeks of DNP is unacceptable. The fatal dose is 8-10mg per kg so I am way below that.

DNP and T3...in a bulk cycle..nope. You waste your money.. 2 orals....anavar?+ metomorfin and slin..sriously? strange think..you dont even up your test-e dosage in 16 weeks..
go with Dbol and Drol ..50+50..Test+Deca/tren +slin + CLEN/t3 cardio,eating great.... iwill not take anything else..

Why nope? If you can give me reason why this is incorrect to do so then I will change but just saying no does not inform me.

I know many competitive bodybuilders on a national level who run t3 during bulks to increase metabolism and protein turnover. The body is still in An anabolic state due to the caloric excess and AAS.

DNP is used simply to prevent fat gain by the slin and only used during slin periods, at 400mg on slin days and 200mgs non slin days.

2 orals because I like what both bring and I like what var gives.

Metformin is there to resensitize myself to slin to hell prevent my body becoming resistant to it, also the reason slin is only used eod.

Test and tren despite the myostatin issues at week 9 should not need to
Be increased due to the oral and slin phases present.

 

[Digitalash]

No offense meant, I just don't think slin should be used until you're already at about the limit of what AAS+GH can give you. And I don't think you're at that point yet, if you want to do it by all means, you seem to have done your homework.

I won't comment on your oral use, I don't think liver toxicity is as big a concern as many believe. If you like those compounds go for it, I would get before and after bloodwork though to be safe. DNP.... I really don't understand why you'd run slin and dnp together, sounds like asking for trouble imo but I'm not your parents so if you feel you need them and that you can do it safely.... I guess I can't really tell you no

 

[Idra]

I didn't say anything about 400 dnp for 4 weeks being bad for you now did I? Reading comprehension is hard, I know. If you have legit and accurately dosed DNP, at that dossage you can fucking stuff poptarts down your mouth all day long and you won't gain shit for weight. I'm going to assume you have never done a DNP cycle since you expect to bulk while on it. I've ran multiple DNP cycles, one of them I at thousands of calories over maintenance every single day, almost all shit food, and I still leaned out. Do your fucking homework.

 

[XYZ]

Now this is just planning far in advance tbh. Planning my September bulk after my cut. Going to be trying a couple of things.

Weeks 1-6 bolasterone 100mg ed
Weeks 1-6 var 50mg ed
Week 1-4 & 9-12 slin 10iu every 4 hours & post workout, eod.
Weeks 1-4 & 9-12 DNP 400mg ed
Week 5-8 & 13-16 metformin 500 mg 3x daily
Weeks 1-16 test enth 600mg ew
Weeks 1-16 Tren enth 600mg ew
Weeks 1-16 100mcg T3 2on/2off
Week 11-16 anadrol 100/150mgs Ed
Week 11-16 var 50mgs Ed

Nolva and adex throughout. Maybe GH If I can afford it but doubtful tbh, if I was I would do it in a blast format not decided how yet. As it is doubtful I'll have the funds.

This may well be overkill to the Nth degree but just checking things are sound in theory. So any feedback is appreciated.

One thing I can't figure out is how to change my carb intake when on the DNP to stop me melting really. I was thinking of doing almost a CKD bulk with just minimal carbs around my slin dosage and the rest of the time having none, it'll work out i'll be pinning slin every other meal.

Final question it may seem a basic one but I can't find an answer, after the slin injection do they have to be fast digesting carbs like maltodextrin/ dextrose etc or can they be more starchy like sweet potatoes/ brown rice?

P.s. aware it's a lot of orals but shouldn't do too much damage, I've done worse.

This is fuc*ing overkill EXTREME! DNP with slin? You're asking to be dead with low blood sugar right there.

Slin is going to make you fat as hell used like that, plus after reading your post you have no idea how to use it.

Too many compounds. A clean diet with 1/4 of the gear would be better.

 

[XYZ]

Care to explain why?

It's simple, the caloric intake needed to grow is not obtainable while running 400mg DNP ED. Unless you eat like total crap and even then you'll sweat your ass off and be tired as hell from the DNP fatigue. Your body can't grow when it's running DNP just because of the overall strain it puts on the user and the CNS.

 

[Idra]

XYZ I think he is just a lost cause at this point.

 

[trapzilla]

Okay so the point is that with the DNP in there even with the slin I won't gain weight despite what i'm eating.

Also then the thought that slin use like that will make me fat.

The reading I did that lead me to do draw up that slin and DNP is taken from Paul borresson's articles that is all. He says the only way to run slin properly is every 4 hours and with DNP, to Prevent fat gain hence I laid it out as such .

Would a more suitable be sans DNP and then slin just post workout? As I said I am open to suggestions that was the whole point of posting it.

 

[Idra]

Now that kind of reply is how you get help.
I've never done slin, so I don't feel comfortable saying much about it, other than there are some very real reasons that guys who have done many many cycles still avoid it. If you are dead set on doing it. Please do your research, and then do some more research, people really die off that shit. DNP is kinda overhyped about the dangers I feel. I had the most success running it with just test and I dropped about 15 pounds in 2 weeks on my last run of it. That being said, if your diet isn't very strict you are going to be fucking miserable on DNP. Hell even if it is in check you are going to hate the time you are on it. Shit works tho. Even at 2 gallons of water a day and conservative carbs I was completely soaking my pillow and sheets every single night running it at 600.

 

[trapzilla]

Now that kind of reply is how you get help.
I've never done slin, so I don't feel comfortable saying much about it, other than there are some very real reasons that guys who have done many many cycles still avoid it. If you are dead set on doing it. Please do your research, and then do some more research, people really die off that shit. DNP is kinda overhyped about the dangers I feel. I had the most success running it with just test and I dropped about 15 pounds in 2 weeks on my last run of it. That being said, if your diet isn't very strict you are going to be fucking miserable on DNP. Hell even if it is in check you are going to hate the time you are on it. Shit works tho. Even at 2 gallons of water a day and conservative carbs I was completely soaking my pillow and sheets every single night running it at 600.

I may in that case because I had planned to try and keep carbs to only around slin times to reduce being that uncomfortable on DNP simply do a DNP run before and after the main cycle.

With the Slin the method I planned to use for each shot was using humulin-r 10 minutes after shot 50g whey isolate and 10g/iu slin carbs 70/30 fast and complex.
1 hr after that another shake of 50g whey isolate and 5g/iu slin carbs at 50/50 fast and complex.
Then 30 minutes after that a balance whole food meal.

Monitoring blood glucose levels every 20 minutes, with dextrose tabs on hand.
Is there anything alarmingly wrong with that protocol?

 

[Schwarz]

get ready to have some digestion problem.. with all those orals,and High BP during the cicle.

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

I'm gonna fucking roll when this dude keels over lmfao... That's the shittiest cycle I have "almost" ever seen in my fucking life.

No I'm not going to waste my time on you asking questions, you are clearly a bit too far gone or you had a recent head trauma or something, fuck IDK...

Have fun, GET SOOPER HUGE BRAHHZ!!! hahahaha...good lawrd dnp and var on a bulk.... really?..............wtf... I hope this 2012 thing goes down without a hitch

 

[trapzilla]

I'm gonna fucking roll when this dude keels over lmfao... That's the shittiest cycle I have "almost" ever seen in my fucking life.

No I'm not going to waste my time on you asking questions, you are clearly a bit too far gone or you had a recent head trauma or something, fuck IDK...

Have fun, GET SOOPER HUGE BRAHHZ!!! hahahaha...good lawrd dnp and var on a bulk.... really?..............wtf... I hope this 2012 thing goes down without a hitch

Clearly you didn't read the subsequent posts, I am going to move the DNP.

How fucking archaic in Thinking must you be to scoff at var in a bulk!? I have bulked an cut whilst taking var and it was better for me when doing the former. Bulking or cutting Is due to diet not gear choice. Surely you know that?

As stated the DNP was taken from reading by Paul Borresson who suggested DNP on a slin bulk to Prevent fat gain when taking 1iu slin/ 10kg of body weight every 4 hours.

 

[XYZ]

Here is something that might help.

You ONLY need insulin once a day on training days only, NOTHING MORE. Unless you're a pro, this is enough.

You will not grow on DNP, FACT.

You could use 50mcgs of T3 and do several HIIT sessions a week to stay leaner.

The rest of it you're just making too complicated. Your diet is the key to growth, everything else comes after.

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Clearly you didn't read the subsequent posts, I am going to move the DNP.

How fucking archaic in Thinking must you be to scoff at var in a bulk!? I have bulked an cut whilst taking var and it was better for me when doing the former. Bulking or cutting Is due to diet not gear choice. Surely you know that?

As stated the DNP was taken from reading by Paul Borresson who suggested DNP on a slin bulk to Prevent fat gain when taking 1iu slin/ 10kg of body weight every 4 hours.

Bulking or cutting is due to diet?? Wow you sir must be a fountain of knowledge!!!!! Let me alert the IFBB of this groundbreaking news you have seen fit to share with us lesser of intellect!!

You are a fucking idiot, don't try to put anyone else down you limey ignorant fuckwit. lmao...

Let me go post some random, ridiculous, just completely un-thought-out idiot's idea of a cycle and let everyone there redesign it and tell me how to run what, for how long, what drugs to use at what doses.....? Really? Genius!!!

Clearly when bulking anavar is the best choice from all the oral aas. Dbol, drol, sd, m1t something like that that will put on 10x the size on the exact same diet would be just idiotic... Yeah..

Alright professor, looks like you got it all figured out. Hopefully someone here will babysit your stupid ass long enough to totally rewrite that retarded dumbfuck cycle you put together, write you and diet, split and show you how to pin..

LMAO at morons like you, less drug abuse more reading jackoff

 

[Glycomann]

Complete overkill and dangerous. This cycle is proof that a little information is dangerous. If I was really really drunk one night and wke up and saw I wrote this with a bunch of drunken friends I wouls crap it, laugh at myself and then do something sane. Get your diet down that works for your body and then chose a few compounds based on what has worked for you in the past and go with that. Something like:

1-12 Test C 400 mg/w
1-12 Deca 400 mg/w
6-12 Winstrol of Turinabol 30 mg/d
AI as needed
1-12 hCG 250-350 iu ETD
1-12 GH 2-4 iu/d optional ( it's a real commitment and in my opinion a lot out there right now is fake. It goes in cycles)

 

[trapzilla]

Xyz I take on board your point about slin frequency and for my level one shot a day is sufficient post training.

The DNP I will adjust as I had alluded to after idra's input. Changing the slin protocol to what you suggest would obviously prevent fat gain in itself and So DNP may even then be surplus.

The T3 though, does it not increase metabolism and protein turnover which is neutral in nature with reference to anabolism. So if I was to bulk whilst on it I would be favoring anabolism? All the reading I have done on other forums and articles has suggested this to me also it was how I have Been told to view t3.

Glycoman, the main focus of the cycle was not the gear but the slin usage. The idea I was basing it off was a lean bulk/recomp cycle pushed towards bulking through the slin usage with additional compounds eg DNP, reducing or preventing fat at periods.

I have done the same oral combinations and Injectibles before when bulking and was very happy with the results.
My slin steps however appear to have been simply too far in from of my current position.

Wether you believe it or not every compound was thought out as was every aspect of the cycle.

As for hate for the week. I frankly couldn't give 1 iota as to what you think.

The whole point of a public forum is to receive help and guidance from those more informed or experience than yourself is it not? That was subsequently what I was trying to get out of posting. With the exception of yourself I have received that.

I never asked what drugs or dosages to take simply if what I laid out was wholey wrong the answer was : from my interpretation "somewhat wrong" namely slin and dnp.

As for bulking orals. Drol is in there fuckwit. Dbol I hate, m1t was hard on me with oestro sides and SD was very hard on my hairline. The 2 "bulking" orals I am left with is drol and bolsterone and both are present. The var is in addition to. My diet is down and fine to where it needs to be. As is training. I was able to figure out how to jab by myself surprisingly So I'm turn down any coaching lessons

But I Don't care to try and engage in discussion with yourself anymore.

 

[Digitalash]

Run the AAS as you wish, add some igf-1 lr3 and possibly a few iu's of growth and t3. You can make the cycle a little exotic, I wouldn't use slin though. You don't need it at this point, IMO if you're looking for extra gains there are many more things to consider. Slin IMO comes when peptides, gh, and AAS are no longer enough to give you results. I even think you could use metformin, there are so many more things to consider at this point than slin

 

[trapzilla]

Run the AAS as you wish, add some igf-1 lr3 and possibly a few iu's of growth and t3. You can make the cycle a little exotic, I wouldn't use slin though. You don't need it at this point, IMO if you're looking for extra gains there are many more things to consider. Slin IMO comes when peptides, gh, and AAS are no longer enough to give you results. I even think you could use metformin, there are so many more things to consider at this point than slin

I take that on board, I'll read into other peps and GH more and maybe sway towards those after. I do appreciate the input buddy.