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Read some more stuff today about it . Some rehabs are now administering b12 and trt during detox and for the following 12 weeks. Pretty interesting anyone have any experience with that ?
 
if they go to detox they give you suboxone but your on and of within 1 week or so and that is all you need if you stay on subs you will withdraw from them too,. but not if you only take them for less then 2 weeks and get weened down

methadone is more for people who will never get clean tried everything in the world detox suboxone lots of rehabs and then i'd say go that rout
 
How toxic are roxicodone. They are oxycodone with out the Acetaminophen. My buddy is running a cycle of test and dbol and is taking them 3-4 times a week from a street bike accident in the past. I was under the impression you should not be taking anything like that while on IE alcohol, oxycodone or anything in that nature.
 
I actually asked The anabolic Doc this question from Muscular Development before. He told me that is relatively easy on your body. I wouldn't take oral steroids with them though just to be safe. Also The anabolic told me that Oxy does no good. It only gets worse and makes the pain worse in the long run. You will need more and more oxy to get the same effect and before long you have a serious addiction that can take over. He said these meds are best saved for those who are terminally ill because they will only lead you down a path of dependence if you use them for any length of time. I have been there and it is not pretty. Get off while you can. Cause it only gets worse.
 
Thanks bro

TGB1987 said:
I actually asked The anabolic Doc this question from Muscular Development before. He told me that is relatively easy on your body. I wouldn't take oral steroids with them though just to be safe. Also The anabolic told me that Oxy does no good. It only gets worse and makes the pain worse in the long run. You will need more and more oxy to get the same effect and before long you have a serious addiction that can take over. He said these meds are best saved for those who are terminally ill because they will only lead you down a path of dependence if you use them for any length of time. I have been there and it is not pretty. Get off while you can. Cause it only gets worse.
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there's those that say kratom is just another problem to a problem..i guess it's how you look at it..in my eye's there's alot of upside to kratom..one is it's not very expensive..it allows for relief from w/d's..and in the longrun it is much easier to taper off of..either go cold turkey and suffer thru the w/d's or use kratom seem to be the only 2 real solid ways to get off of opiates..most peeps i know who have gone thru some type of detox just end up hooked on benzos and have another problem on there hand..i find kratom to be the lesser of many evils..
 
NEG me if you will but I was reading about caber being a dopamine agonist would that help people going through withdrawls from opiates ? Been there done that with opiates ever since anything that can change out bodies and the chemicals in the brain have intrigued me .
 
dirtbiker666 said:
How toxic are roxicodone. They are oxycodone with out the Acetaminophen. My buddy is running a cycle of test and dbol and is taking them 3-4 times a week from a street bike accident in the past. I was under the impression you should not be taking anything like that while on IE alcohol, oxycodone or anything in that nature.
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i know people who have ruined there lives and even died from that shit, as far as toxic i have no idea, addicting AS HELL tho!
 
dirtbiker666 said:
NEG me if you will but I was reading about caber being a dopamine agonist would that help people going through withdrawls from opiates ? Been there done that with opiates ever since anything that can change out bodies and the chemicals in the brain have intrigued me .
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Prami and Caber have been indicated as anti depressants and will elevate mood and libido.
 
s2h said:
there's those that say kratom is just another problem to a problem..i guess it's how you look at it..in my eye's there's alot of upside to kratom..one is it's not very expensive..it allows for relief from w/d's..and in the longrun it is much easier to taper off of..either go cold turkey and suffer thru the w/d's or use kratom seem to be the only 2 real solid ways to get off of opiates..most peeps i know who have gone thru some type of detox just end up hooked on benzos and have another problem on there hand..i find kratom to be the lesser of many evils..
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yes and whay pissis me off it the people with no control that abuse it and make the rest look like junkies.

anything can be addictive , cookies, booz, sex, coke, mushrooms, all of them can ruin your life!
just dont come to me with micro managing laws bacause of the peopel that cant stop them selvs.
if it was not kratom it would be pills if not pills, H if not that, booz. i mean where do we stop placing the blame on the products and start placing them on the people and the system set up to teart them like criminals, which only makes things worse.
makign ti illegal give it worth then the people that sell it are the ones in control..... Prohibition didnt work neather will war on drugs.
 
heavyiron said:
Prami and Caber have been indicated as anti depressants and will elevate mood and libido.
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I have read this a few places also. the tests seem to show its true.
 
Funny you says this although it's true. Did you happen to read Prince post the other day? It was about the FDA going to approve certain meds making it easier to obtain over the counter because the pharma companies are apparently loosing money because of it. I swear I am irate about it. It seems like we the people have the power to change things but no one wants to do anything about it .

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/b...-selling-prescription-drugs-over-counter.html

blergs. said:
yes and whay pissis me off it the people with no control that abuse it and make the rest look like junkies.

anything can be addictive , cookies, booz, sex, coke, mushrooms, all of them can ruin your life!
just dont come to me with micro managing laws bacause of the peopel that cant stop them selvs.
if it was not kratom it would be pills if not pills, H if not that, booz. i mean where do we stop placing the blame on the products and start placing them on the people and the system set up to teart them like criminals, which only makes things worse.
makign ti illegal give it worth then the people that sell it are the ones in control..... Prohibition didnt work neather will war on drugs.
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DO NOT TAKE SUBOXONE!!!!!! It's pure evil! Just deal with the withdraws. Detoxing from Suboxone is far worst. I have a friend who is going though living hell from that shit. Looks for "Kratom" to help with the WD symptoms. 2-3g is enough. Drink with juice. Unless you like that earthy flavor.
 


When you're sick and tired of being sick and tired ....... You will stop..... It's amazing how good you can feel without Dope....[weed is always O.K.] :ohyeah:
 
TJTJ said:
DO NOT TAKE SUBOXONE!!!!!! It's pure evil! Just deal with the withdraws. Detoxing from Suboxone is far worst. I have a friend who is going though living hell from that shit. Looks for "Kratom" to help with the WD symptoms. 2-3g is enough. Drink with juice. Unless you like that earthy flavor.
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I agree that suboxone is evil! I was addicted to suboxone for well over a year and the withdrawals lasted for months. Luckily, I found kratom and it eased most of the withdrawal symptoms. I still use kratom once a week or so and have no desire to use opiates even if they are around me.
 
daisygirl18 said:
Long story short this is for a friend and he wants to know what's better methadone or suboxone thanks
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Neither. Methadone is for maintenance, not kicking. It will destroy the marrow of bones and it's the toughest kick known to man. There are all kinds of options for this. Check them out thoroughly.
 
Standard Donkey said:
you could always go with a medically induced coma :coffee:
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This is actually no joke. I knew someone who effed up his liver from heroin/methadone/valium addiction and wound up in a coma for 6 mos. When he woke up, no more addiction. He died 9 mos. later.
 
Methadone Detox is by FAR the best.................try to get a 6-8 week detox, though many just use a 4 weeker
 
and Yes Suboxone is the devil it WILL permanently fuck you up Methadone if used correctly will offer a ramp off with barely any sides, it also breaks the psychosis that accompanies typical use since the half life is so long
 
charley said:


When you're sick and tired of being sick and tired ....... You will stop..... It's amazing how good you can feel without Dope....[weed is always O.K.] :ohyeah:
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Spoken like someone who has been there an done that lol ..It so true tho holy fuk
 
Suboxone you might not have to be addicted to and seeing a dr every month or a clinic everyday for the rest of your life. If you get on methadone "your friend" will be on it for the rest of his/her life unless whoever stops prescribing..then the diversion begins. Seriously bro..if its not already too late tell your friend stay as far away from all that shit as possible..it ruins people. I could tell u all about my dad..maybe another time but he was a body builder too once, seems like a lifeime ago and his life revolves around fckin pills. Sucks for me way more then it does him..he gets to be high all the time; good luck man, its not gonna get any easier if you dont pet ALL that shit go
 
My advice is just deal with the sickness and then dont use anymore, suboxone isnt much better but I would rather use it rather than methadone. I used to take subs recreationally and if you're not an opiate addict you can get pretty fucked up on them lol...I was an idiot.

Drug for another drug, it's all bullshit. Just tell him to quit fucking his life up and have some self control.(probably not the best advice)
 
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