Should Christians support Obama?

[jagbender]

 

[exphys88]

That's not true, kids can read the bible on their own time in schools, teachers just can't read it to kids.
Would you be ok w your kids' teacher reading the Koran to your kids?

 

[ctr10]

The question should not be should christian's vote for Obama, no one should vote for him because he does not have the business smarts to run the country, he is way in over his head

 

[exphys88]

The question should not be should christian's vote for Obama, no one should vote for him because he does not have the business smarts to run the country, he is way in over his head

Yes, his religion is irrelevant. He's a president, not a pastor.

 

[jagbender]

This is all under the assumption that the bible is the word of god, but there are so many things that have been proven to be false in the bible that you have to conclude that it is not the word of god and is actually just a story.
Once you realize that evolution is a fact, the bible becomes fiction. You cannot accept both as truth.

How do you prove evolution is a fact?

 

[exphys88]

How do you prove evolution is a fact?

The study of biology, geology, paleontology, zoology, genetics or anthropology.
Even the pope has declared it as fact, but then again Catholics are a little more educated in the sciences when comparedz to other Christian sects.

 

[jagbender]

I believe it's finite.

Then the Stoner question come up, what is beyond a finite universe?
(from the movie Animal House)

 

[jagbender]

That's not true, kids can read the bible on their own time in schools, teachers just can't read it to kids.
Would you be ok w your kids' teacher reading the Koran to your kids?

The school systems here in Florida do teach ABOUT other religions.

The irony of the above post is that to some extent, if children are brought up with the "values" taught in the bible, more are less likely to end up in prison.
Sixty years ago there was America was much more Christian than today.
I belive that there were "fewer" homosexuals, less drug problems and much less of the population had an entitlement mentality. IMHO because the Bible teaches what God says is right and wrong and more of society believed in the Bible.

The liberal, politically correct, entitlement trends put the morals and values in Man's perspective not God's perspective.
God is Holy (perfect) and has set up perfect rules for the imperfect to try and follow. No man can be perfect. But a man can try, God judges a man from his heart. His intent and his willingness to follow God's word.


It would be interesting to see how much of a prison popluation was raised in a Christian environment. And how much of a Prison Popltaion repents.

Also I thinks that is ironic that once a person gets into trouble and goes into prison "some" do repent and try to change thier ways. Or at least the try to tell the parole board that!

 

[jagbender]

The study of biology, geology, paleontology, zoology, genetics or anthropology.
Even the pope has declared it as fact, but then again Catholics are a little more educated in the sciences when comparedz to other Christian sects.

Why is it still called the Theory of Evolution?

 

[exphys88]

The school systems here in Florida do teach ABOUT other religions.

The irony of the above post is that to some extent, if children are brought up with the "values" taught in the bible, more are less likely to end up in prison.
Sixty years ago there was America was much more Christian than today.
I belive that there were "fewer" homosexuals, less drug problems and much less of the population had an entitlement mentality. IMHO because the Bible teaches what God says is right and wrong and more of society believed in the Bible.

The liberal, politically correct, entitlement trends put the morals and values in Man's perspective not God's perspective.
God is Holy (perfect) and has set up perfect rules for the imperfect to try and follow. No man can be perfect. But a man can try, God judges a man from his heart. His intent and his willingness to follow God's word.


It would be interesting to see how much of a prison popluation was raised in a Christian environment. And how much of a Prison Popltaion repents.

Also I thinks that is ironic that once a person gets into trouble and goes into prison "some" do repent and try to change thier ways. Or at least the try to tell the parole board that!

Your post was misleading, kids are allowed to pray in school and read the bible. In fact, in my highschool there was a bible study group led by a teacher at lunch time. The seperation of church and state would be violated if teachers were using school time to prosthelytize children into their religion. I asked you if you would be ok if your kids' teacher was reading the koran to your kids in school, but you didn't answer.

Which values are you referring to? the old testament? because our values would be fucked up if people actually followed those rules.

60 years ago was better? Maybe if you were a white male. Are you suggesting that life for black americans was better then?

There weren't less homosexuals, there were less homosexuals out of the closet. Who are you to judge gays when jesus specifically told you not to?

Fortunately, your views about how our country should be based around christian ideas was prevented by our founding fathers. As much as you deny it, our country is a secular country, that happens to have a lot of christians living in it.

 

[exphys88]

Why is it still called the Theory of Evolution?

Because science requires absolute proof to label something as law, unlike religious folks. I bet you believe matter is made up of atoms, even though it's just a theory. A scientific theory is not a hypothesis, but a Theory that has withstood scrutiny for decades and with evolution, centuries. You clearly have a lack of scientific knowledge to think that evolution hasn't basically been proven.

 

[heavyiron]

. Who are you to judge gays when jesus specifically told you not to?

Actually Jesus specifically told his followers to judge rightly (John 7:24) . He did not want them judging hypocritically. Read the context before you make an interpretation...=)

btw, why are you judging judgers? LOL!

 

[secdrl]

That's not true, kids can read the bible on their own time in schools, teachers just can't read it to kids.
Would you be ok w your kids' teacher reading the Koran to your kids?

In history class, most schools CANNOT teach the history of Christianity for fear of being offensive. Yet, they can openly discuss Islamic fundamentals and history.

 

[exphys88]

Actually Jesus specifically told his followers to judge rightly (John 7:24) . He did not want them judging hypocritically. Read the context before you make an interpretation...=)

btw, why are you judging judgers? LOL!

I'm not held to the rules of the bible, that's why. Similarly, I don't believe everyone should be forgiven, some crimes are unforgivable, like murder and child molestation. And, I judge all sorts of people without thinking twice.

I think you interpreted John 7:24 incorrectly. You need to study their culture without a western bias (which is impossible for a person of our era) before making claims about what it means.

 

[secdrl]

This has some science, faith, etc. in it. Check this out. For all of the non-believers, what are your thoughts. It's long, but well worth it. How Great is Our God: with Louie Giglio (full video) - YouTube

 

[exphys88]

In history class, most schools CANNOT teach the history of Christianity for fear of being offensive. Yet, they can openly discuss Islamic fundamentals and history.

What convinced you of this?

 

[secdrl]

What convinced you of this?

convinced me? That implies some type of persuasion. You can google various cases/circumstances where the public school system can't talk about Christianity, but they can talk about Islam. This is fact.

 

[secdrl]

Check this out, the "glue" that holds our bodies together is a molecule called Laminin. Magnified a few hundred times, this is what Laminin looks like.

 

[heavyiron]

I'm not held to the rules of the bible, that's why. Similarly, I don't believe everyone should be forgiven, some crimes are unforgivable, like murder and child molestation. And, I judge all sorts of people without thinking twice.

I think you interpreted John 7:24 incorrectly. You need to study their culture without a western bias (which is impossible for a person of our era) before making claims about what it means.

Its only impossible for the lazy...=) Now go study....

 

[exphys88]

Here is an important question for creationists.

How do you explain that nearly every scientist from every branch of the biological and physical sciences (biology, paleontology, zoology, anthropology, astronomy etc) from nearly every civilized country accepts evolution as fact and how each one of these sciences are all in agreement about evolution? Do you really think it's a massive conspiracy?

 

[exphys88]

Its only impossible for the lazy...=) Now go study....

I'm willing to bet that most bible scholars are in disagreement about most of the meanings of the scriptures. Basically making the bible worthless except as a nice story with some really fucked things done to humans by god.

 

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[exphys88]

Check this out, the "glue" that holds our bodies together is a molecule called Laminin. Magnified a few hundred times, this is what Laminin looks like.

No actually, this is the representation of laminin, it's real shape in its original form is bent and distorted. Nice try though, I've seen this craziness before.

 

[exphys88]

This is what it looks like, looks like a surfer to me.

 

[secdrl]

No actually, this is the representation of laminin, it's real shape in its original form is bent and distorted. Nice try though, I've seen this craziness before.

Well, of course. The actual "fluid" the cells sit it cause the structure to bend, distort slightly. I'm just sayin' this is pretty neat.

 

[heavyiron]

I'm willing to bet that most bible scholars are in disagreement about most of the meanings of the scriptures. Basically making the bible worthless except as a nice story with some really fucked things done to humans by god.

You make a lot of general statements for someone who claims to have a scientific mind...

 

[exphys88]

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Surely if god exists, he would appreciate skepticism and critical thinking.

 

[heavyiron]

Here is an important question for creationists.

How do you explain that nearly every scientist from every branch of the biological and physical sciences (biology, paleontology, zoology, anthropology, astronomy etc) from nearly every civilized country accepts evolution as fact and how each one of these sciences are all in agreement about evolution? Do you really think it's a massive conspiracy?

Theistic evolutionists are alive and well in the scientific community.

 

[exphys88]

Well, of course. The actual "fluid" the cells sit it cause the structure to bend, distort slightly. I'm just sayin' this is pretty neat.

It looks like a sword to me.

 

[exphys88]

Theistic evolutionists are alive and well in the scientific community.

93% of scientists in the national academy of scientists are atheist or agnostic.

I was addressing the creationists in the thread.