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Trump Says The Way President Obama Is Running The Country Is "Stupid"

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Trump Says The Way President Obama Is Running The Country Is "Stupid"

By Christian Hill, June 13, 2012

The United States could soon become a large-scale Spain or Greece, teetering on the edge of financial ruin.

That's according to Donald Trump, who painted a very ugly picture of where this country is headed under its current leadership. Trump made the comments during a recent appearance on Fox News' "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren."

According to Trump, the United States is no longer a rich country. "When you're not rich, you have to go out and borrow money. We're borrowing from the Chinese and others. We're up to $16 trillion in debt."

It's clear that Trump holds President Barack Obama responsible for the ballooning debt. Trump stated that the way Obama is running the country is "stupid."

He goes on to point out that the downgrade of U.S. debt is inevitable.

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?We are going up to $16 trillion [in debt] very soon, and it?s going to be a lot higher than that before he gets finished. When you have [debt] in the $21-$22 trillion, you are talking about a downgrade no matter how you cut it.?

Ballooning debt and a credit downgrade aren?t Trump?s only worries for this country. He says that the official unemployment rate of 8.2 percent ?isn?t a real number? and that the real figure is closer to 15 percent to 16 percent. He even mentioned that some believe the unemployment rate to be as high as 21 percent.

?Right now, frankly, the country isn?t doing well,? Trump added, ?Recession may be a nice word.?

While 15 percent to 16 percent unemployment, a looming credit downgrade, and ballooning debt are a bleak outlook for the United States, they are hardly as alarming as the scenario laid out by another economist.

Without earning celebrity status or having his own television show, Robert Wiedemer did something else that grabbed headlines across the country: He accurately predicted the economic collapse that almost sank the United States.

In 2006, Wiedemer and a team of economists foresaw the coming collapse of the U.S. housing market, equity markets, private debt, and consumer spending, and published their findings in the book America?s Bubble Economy.

But Wiedemer?s outlook for the U.S. economy today makes Trump?s observations seem almost optimistic.

Where Trump sees ballooning debt and a credit downgrade, Wiedemer sees much more widespread economic destruction.

In a recent interview for his newest book Aftershock, Wiedemer says, ?The data is clear, 50% unemployment, a 90% stock market drop, and 100% annual inflation . . . starting in 2012.?

When the host questioned such wild claims, Wiedemer unapologetically displayed shocking charts backing up his allegations, and then ended his argument with, ?You see, the medicine will become the poison.?

The interview has become a wake-up call for those unprepared (or unwilling) to acknowledge an ugly truth: The country?s financial ?rescue? devised in Washington has failed miserably.

The blame lies squarely on those whose job it was to avoid the exact situation we find ourselves in, including current Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and former Chairman Alan Greenspan, tasked with preventing financial meltdowns and keeping the nation?s economy strong through monetary and credit policies.

At one point, Wiedemer even calls out Bernanke, saying that his ?money from heaven will be the path to hell.?

But it?s not just the grim predictions that are causing the sensation; rather, it?s the comprehensive blueprint for economic survival that?s really commanding global attention.

The interview offers realistic, step-by-step solutions that the average hard-working American can easily follow.

The overwhelming amount of feedback to publicize the interview, initially screened for a private audience, came with consequences as various online networks repeatedly shut it down and affiliates refused to house the content.

Bernanke and Greenspan were not about to support Wiedemer publicly, nor were the mainstream media.

?People were sitting up and taking notice, and they begged us to make the interview public so they could easily share it,? said Newsmax Financial Publisher Aaron DeHoog, ?but unfortunately, it kept getting pulled.?

?Our real concern,? DeHoog added, ?is what if only half of Wiedemer?s predictions come true?

?That?s a scary thought for sure. But we want the average American to be prepared, and that is why we will continue to push this video to as many outlets as we can. We want the word to spread.?

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fucking pathetic...the increase in the deficit has been debunked time and time again as there was a 1.2T budget deficit in 10-01-2009.

never liked Trump always thought he was a douche-bag, he flips commercial property or gets paid to stick his cheesy name on the side of a building...wow...what would the US do with out you Donald.

the capitalists want Mittens in there so he can do the standard GOP supply-side tax cuts that haven't worked in US history and that will be the end of the working class in the US.
 
Good, if Trump disagrees we may be going in the right direction. Who takes business advice from someone who declares bankruptcy the way most people watch the Olympics...once every few years. :)
 
Obviously hiring gobs of federal employees, printing money so states don't have to layoff state employees to balance their own budgets and financing green jobs with printed money, when there's little to no demand for the products they produce, has had little effect so now what?

I don't care where it all started, all I care about is how we're gonna fix it.
 
fucking pathetic...the increase in the deficit has been debunked time and time again as there was a 1.2T budget deficit in 10-01-2009.

never liked Trump always thought he was a douche-bag, he flips commercial property or gets paid to stick his cheesy name on the side of a building...wow...what would the US do with out you Donald.

the capitalists want Mittens in there so he can do the standard GOP supply-side tax cuts that haven't worked in US history and that will be the end of the working class in the US.

did you even read the post?? lol. he says 16 trillion DEBT, when barry hussein took over our debt was 9+trillion, easy math there.

the deficit isn't mentioned, in case you don't know, debt and deficit are two different things? and barry hussein was pres in 2009
 
did you even read the post?? lol. he says 16 trillion DEBT, when barry hussein took over our debt was 9+trillion, easy math there.

the deficit isn't mentioned, in case you don't know, debt and deficit are two different things? and barry hussein was pres in 2009

Actually, it's not easy math. On day 1 of Obama's presidency, he didn't eliminate all spending from every program that every president that preceded him passed. Also, you have to realize that the person paying interest at the $9 trillion mark is at a considerable disadvantage in keeping the debt low as compared to the person paying interest at $0. You act like its black and white while it's shades of grey. Take the Iraq war, Obama is responsible for continuing this war but what percentage of it's debt is attributable to him? They may have spent X since he took office, but you also have to factor in the fact that had he been president when we started that war, we would have never gotten in to it in the first place. If some asshole drove my car in the ditch I'm not going to fault the guy pulling it out for getting a couple of scratches on it. Obama hasn't done dick for creating jobs, but very little of the debt or even the deficit is driven by him. He inherited a $1.4 trillion deficit and it's actually lower than that now.
 
well I guess the US could just file bankruptcy, isn't that how Mr. Trump cuts his losses and makes more money.
 
^^^coming from a man who filed bankruptcy several times and is an entertainer, he'll say anything to be in the news
 
Actually, it's not easy math. On day 1 of Obama's presidency, he didn't eliminate all spending from every program that every president that preceded him passed. Also, you have to realize that the person paying interest at the $9 trillion mark is at a considerable disadvantage in keeping the debt low as compared to the person paying interest at $0. You act like its black and white while it's shades of grey. Take the Iraq war, Obama is responsible for continuing this war but what percentage of it's debt is attributable to him? They may have spent X since he took office, but you also have to factor in the fact that had he been president when we started that war, we would have never gotten in to it in the first place. If some asshole drove my car in the ditch I'm not going to fault the guy pulling it out for getting a couple of scratches on it, (barry dumped a load of manure on your car already stuck in the ditch, he didn't pull you out) Obama hasn't done dick for creating jobs, but very little of the debt or even the deficit is driven by him. He inherited a $1.4 trillion deficit and it's actually lower than that now.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Treasury Department on Wednesday reported that $164.4 billion was added to the federal budget deficit in November -- bringing the total deficit for the first two months of the fiscal year to $401.6 billion.
By comparison, the budget deficit for all of fiscal year 2008 was $455 billion, according to the Treasury. No where near 1.4 trillion

barry also promised to pull out troops by 3/31/2008, no longer than 16 months to complete. He said on several occasions during his democratic debates, here is a link for you. therefore, he is responsible for debt acquired from war, for no less than the months he didn't keep his promise
<font color="#b22222">[video=youtube;4WYTKj8pU5M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4WYTKj8pU5M[/video]



Dec, 2011.
?Today, I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year,? the president said in a midday appearance at the White House. Anticipating what he called ?another season of homecomings,? he declared, ?Our troops will definitely be home for the holidays.?
 
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did you even read the post?? lol. he says 16 trillion DEBT, when barry hussein took over our debt was 9+trillion, easy math there.

the deficit isn't mentioned, in case you don't know, debt and deficit are two different things? and barry hussein was pres in 2009

it sure is easy math....

take the income of the federal government in Oct of 2009 of 2268.5B
Federal Government Current Receipts (FGRECPT) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

and subtract that from the expenditures in Oct of 2009 of 3537.9
Federal Government: Current Expenditures (FGEXPND) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

and you get an annual budget deficit of (-1269.4B) before Obama even set foot in the White House. x4 years = (-5077.6B) then add in the cost of actual SPENDING via legislation from the Obama admin from TARP and extended unemployment benefits, etc. and the NEW SPENDING is about 1T
 
WTF is a combat troop lol... I served for over 10 years and did multiple tours... EVERY ONE OVER SEAS IS A COMBAT TROOP.... NAVY, MARINES, ARMY, AIR FORCE... Male or Female you are a combat troop.
 
Business is a strategy... Trump used filing bankrupt as the most efficient way to save his income. To me its just like a street fight, when your life is at jeopardy are you going to fight fair or use every thing you have in hands reach. Trump is a brilliant man and may not have the same morals that every one else does, but no one can disagree that he gets the job done and has been successful.
 
WTF is a combat troop lol... I served for over 10 years and did multiple tours... EVERY ONE OVER SEAS IS A COMBAT TROOP.... NAVY, MARINES, ARMY, AIR FORCE... Male or Female you are a combat troop.

not really. think about the people in administration, supply, etc. they are not combat troops
 
Tell any of those admin, supply, and ect troops that have been under attack in convoys, driven through IED's, that have purple hearts, and combat action badges/combat action ribbons they are can not be considered a combat troop.
 
Business is a strategy... Trump used filing bankrupt as the most efficient way to save his income. To me its just like a street fight, when your life is at jeopardy are you going to fight fair or use every thing you have in hands reach. Trump is a brilliant man and may not have the same morals that every one else does, but no one can disagree that he gets the job done and has been successful.

and he is a hypocrite.
 
probably so but name one successful person that has massive amounts of media attention that is not.

so u r saying in order to be successful you have to be a hypocrite?
 
what most people say to the media and what they actually do to become successful are two different things. Look at every IFBB pro. I only use muscle tech, I only use this, but in reality there are many other variables. Not saying it is right, but no one is perfect when they have the media on there face like that. Of course every one in general will say one thing to save face or buy popularity. I measure him on the amount of success he has, whether or not you believe in his business aspects. The man is one of the richest men in the world.

Everyone will take every edge they can to put them selves a head of the competition even if it goes against there morals and ethics. (I know there is a small % that do abide by their personal morals and ethics so the term everyone is just a figure of speech)

This is my opinion and Prince I have been wrong on many occasions so...
 
Business is a strategy... Trump used filing bankrupt as the most efficient way to save his income.

and when the individual files bankruptcy due to say an illness, that debt follows them to the grave and their income is not protected. while the person who is part of a "corporation" is protected. there are 2 sets of laws in the US, one for those with money and another for those without....
 
and he is a hypocrite.


c'mon prince?^^^that's true for all people at some point through out their life, if not all their life. Anyone who says different is just a liar and a hypocrite:)

ie, accusing someone for what they did wrong, when you've doe the exact same thing, yesterday. etc...

I am not a fan of the combover king, but the hypocrite card shouldn't be played, unless he is a mute monk in a convent for life, or stuck on a deserted island by himself:)
 
ie, accusing someone for what they did wrong, when you've doe the exact same thing, yesterday. etc...

I am not a fan of the combover king, but the hypocrite card shouldn't be played, unless he is a mute monk in a convent for life, or stuck on a deserted island by himself:)

Now we're getting to the crux of the matter.

This applies to all those feckless politicians who have nothing to add to our tale of grief, except for pointing fingers and a bunch of hate.
 
Presidential busts: The worst of all: Barack Obama (2009-?)

He took office at a time when the U.S. economy was on its worst slide in 75 years, but pushed policies using borrowed money that were more meant to preserve government jobs than broadly help the private sector where the great majority of Americans work, ensuring the jobs crisis continued.

He railed against the heavy spending and big deficits of his predecessor, but blithely backed budgets that had triple the deficits ever seen in American history.

He promised a smart, sweeping overhaul of the U.S. health care system, but ended up giving us a Byzantine mess promoted to the public with myths: that offering subsidized care to tens of millions of people would save money; that people would keep their own doctors; that access to care wouldn?t change; and that rationing would never happen.

He promised a more sophisticated approach to the economy than that of his predecessor, but had so little common sense that his health law actually gave businesses a big financial incentive to discontinue providing health insurance to their employees.

He offered hosannas to genius entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs in his prepared remarks, but when speaking off the cuff betrayed his faculty-lounge view of the world, saying of businesspeople, ?if you?ve been successful, you didn?t get there on your own.?

He swore to bring overdue oversight and honest accounting to the corporate world, but made flagrantly dishonest claims about General Motors paying back its government loans that would have triggered a criminal fraud investigation in the private sector.

He promised to set a high new standard for ethics in the White House, but used a baffling claim of executive privilege to shield his embattled attorney general from the repercussions of a cover-up involving the death of a federal law enforcement officer.

He denounced his predecessor for permitting harsh interrogation tactics with suspected terrorists, but once in office somehow concluded that a better, more moral approach would just be to use drones to assassinate such suspects without getting any information from them.

He presented himself as a shrewd student of Washington politics, but once in office displayed a counterproductive standoffishness to many Democratic lawmakers eager to embrace him, never developing the broad range of personal relationships that often mark a successful presidency.

He ran as a unifying force who would bring in a new era of civility and racial healing to Washington, but once in office embraced ugly, Chicago-style political hardball that saw nothing wrong with his supporters? loathsome practice of depicting opposition to his policies as being driven by racism.

He constantly offered praise for the wisdom and insights of the American public, but reacted to the broad discontent over Obamacare, high unemployment and vast deficits by saying it was a failure of his administration to properly explain its glorious record to a confused populace ? not a predictable reaction to his struggles and ineffectiveness.

And in December 2011 ? at a time in which one-quarter of American adults who wanted full-time work couldn?t find it, after a year in which the federal deficit was a staggering $1.3 trillion ? here was what Barack Obama had to say for himself in a CBS interview: ?I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president, with the possible exceptions of Johnson, FDR and Lincoln.?

Unbelievable. If self-reverence were a crime, our current president would be facing a life sentence. For the good of America, let?s pray we have someone else in charge of the federal government come Jan. 20, 2013.

Presidential busts: The worst of all: Barack Obama (2009-?) | UTSanDiego.com
 
Presidential busts: The worst of all: Barack Obama (2009-?)

He took office at a time when the U.S. economy was on its worst slide in 75 years, but pushed policies using borrowed money that were more meant to preserve government jobs than broadly help the private sector where the great majority of Americans work, ensuring the jobs crisis continued.

This is true.

So I'm stuck with the worse possible choice of all. Putting back into the white house the party that got us all into this mess in the 1st place.

Ensuring the jobs crises, and a whole hell of a lot more continues.

Wake me when December arrives, I'd rather speak to santa clause cause atleast he'll give me straight answers to all this malarky!
 
Presidential busts: The worst of all: Barack Obama (2009-?)

He took office at a time when the U.S. economy was on its worst slide in 75 years, but pushed policies using borrowed money that were more meant to preserve government jobs than broadly help the private sector where the great majority of Americans work, ensuring the jobs crisis continued.

He railed against the heavy spending and big deficits of his predecessor, but blithely backed budgets that had triple the deficits ever seen in American history.

there are several erroneous statements but I will just correct the first 2.

Spending under Obama and government growth is the lowest since Eisenhower in the 50's...

The majority of the increase in the deficit is a direct result of the recession, not from actual spending. in Oct of 2009 the annual budget deficit was 1.2T, before Obama even set foot in the White House.

Federal Government: Current Expenditures (FGEXPND) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Federal Government Current Receipts (FGRECPT) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act Updated for the Recent Supreme Court Decision
CBO | Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act Updated for the Recent Supreme Court Decision

and as to why unemployment has not decreased, the answer is rather simple. the pre-recession levels of spending were not sustainable as they were funded with debt and not real income growth. the entire increase in real GDP growth in the 2000's came from equity extracting from homes and used for consumption. 3T in home equity was pulled out between 2000-2005.

Gauging the Impact of the Great Recession
FRBSF Economic Letter: Gauging the Impact of the Great Recession (2011-21, 7/11/2011)

and the systemic causes of the economic crisis and when it started which was the 80's per the economists at the IMF
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2010/12/pdf/kumhof.pdf

under Reagan the US economy started following economic principles of Milton Friedman he was an adviser to the administration. the monetary base (money supply) was routinely double every decade. this was the principle cause of wage stagnation and the erosion of purchasing power along with the fall in the union participation rate. debt was used to grow the US financial sector at the expense of the working class and real income growth and future national income which is reduced with high deficits.

St. Louis Adjusted Monetary Base (BASE) - FRED - St. Louis Fed

and more information

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2011/sdn1108.pdf

* those that stated extreme inequality didn't matter...well let's just say you couldn't have been anymore incorrect
 
this is what happens when you give Toby rights...Kunta Kinte would never ruin america like BO is
 
this is what happens when you give Toby rights...Kunta Kinte would never ruin america like BO is

ah yea...it's called 30 years of neo-liberal economic policies that started under Reagan you might actually want to read one of the IMF reports. it's all there in black & white
 
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