Brand New Compound + cycle log by vibrant

[Vibrant]

guys sorry for the lack of updates, I had a very tough competition and by the time I would get home, I would be just too exhausted to go online. I competed well, the ptren is really great. eating was a bit too high in carbs but I had to because of the comp. Im actually starting another comp tomorrow, so Im going pretty hard lol.

I went in for bloodwork yesterday and I have the results back, I will post them tomorrow. All I'll say for now is that they're good imo.

 

[Vibrant]

Cutting, maintenance or bulking?

can't accurately answer that question because it depends on my training day or comp day. for example, a light-med day, 4k is probably maintenace.

during one of my harder days 4k would just be enough to cut, 5-6k maybe maintenance/lean bulk.

my calorie needs vary around a lot.

I never flat out bulk, I only do lean gains, can't gain too much weight let alone BF% because it won't be good for my sport.

I think the ptren exponentiates the effect of the peps(I have done higher doses of peps since, just to see if I could replicate that... even at 300mcg of ghrp2 with 300mcg of ipam, and 100cjc(all at once), it hasn't done that... I think the ptren made them release WAY MORE hgh!!!

I've had some time to think on it and my theory is different than yours. I don't think it enhances the peps themselves but since these peps release gh, I think the ptren makes the gh in the body more effective. because the normal effects I get from the peps were the same with or without the ptren but since the water retention is commonly seen with high doses of hgh, I am thinking that the ptren maybe increased the sensitivity to gh or something like that. What do you think overB?

 

[Vibrant]

ok, as promised here is my bloodwork on the ptren:

this is pretty amazing. my liver values are pretty much in range. ptren looks to be very easy on the liver, I had worse values just from a few days of nsaids.

Yesterday, I started running var at 80mg. What I actually think I'll do is run the var @60mg but add 2mg ed of the ptren. I think ptren+var may have some awesome synergy.

 

[AugustWest]

Wow that is awesome. How many days were you on it before the labs again?

and AST is liver right so what 1 of 5 liver tests was high but barely...am I reading that correctly?

and man Ptren / Var does sound a very nice oral combo and should apparently be very easy on the liver. Great stuff!!!

P.S. you should post these on AS2's section of IJ, they would love to see this news!!!

 

[overburdened]

can't accurately answer that question because it depends on my training day or comp day. for example, a light-med day, 4k is probably maintenace.

during one of my harder days 4k would just be enough to cut, 5-6k maybe maintenance/lean bulk.

my calorie needs vary around a lot.

I never flat out bulk, I only do lean gains, can't gain too much weight let alone BF% because it won't be good for my sport.



I've had some time to think on it and my theory is different than yours. I don't think it enhances the peps themselves but since these peps release gh, I think the ptren makes the gh in the body more effective. because the normal effects I get from the peps were the same with or without the ptren but since the water retention is commonly seen with high doses of hgh, I am thinking that the ptren maybe increased the sensitivity to gh or something like that. What do you think overB?

I think you are probably right... I would like to run them and get a hgh and igf levels labs done... that would probably be interesting!

 

[overburdened]

Wow that is awesome. How many days were you on it before the labs again?

and AST is liver right so what 1 of 5 liver tests was high but barely...am I reading that correctly?

and man Ptren / Var does sound a very nice oral combo and should apparently be very easy on the liver. Great stuff!!!

P.S. you should post these on AS2's section of IJ, they would love to see this news!!!

yes, alt is liver, as is ast, alkaline phosphatase, and bilirubin, though the alkaline phosphatase and bilirubin are 'crossover' between liver and gallbladder

these are GREAT looking labs... mine(liver enzymes) were all in range after using ptren for two weeks... so, vibrant's is pretty close in line with where mine were also... the ptren seems almost completely benign to liver values....

 

[nda246]

Vibrant, I see blood work was done after just 10 days of taking the propionyltrenbolone? Do you know of anyone who has used it on longer cycles with similarly good blood work?

Im ordering test e and was going to stack with tren e, Im now thinking of ordering propionyltrenbolone instead of the tren e. What are your thoughts? Test e for 16wk and pulse propionyltrenbolone in 2-4 week intervals, maybe longer?

 

[Vibrant]

Vibrant, I see blood work was done after just 10 days of taking the propionyltrenbolone? Do you know of anyone who has used it on longer cycles with similarly good blood work?

Im ordering test e and was going to stack with tren e, Im now thinking of ordering propionyltrenbolone instead of the tren e. What are your thoughts? Test e for 16wk and pulse propionyltrenbolone in 2-4 week intervals, maybe longer?

actually, I was on the ptren for 17 days, took 3 days off due to a cold and then 11 more days on it. so basically I was on it for 4weeks when I got bloodwork. I think overB has gotten bw and it was good as well.

I don't think you need to pulse it, I'm still on it and I think I'll be on it for a while. I've come to consider ptren as sort of a helper steroid because it has been very easy on my body.

Give me your stats, cycle history, cycle goals, what you plan on the cycle looking like, and I'll give you some suggestions and recommendations.

 

[Vibrant]

I don't think you need to pulse it, I'm still on it and I think I'll be on it for a while. I've come to consider ptren as sort of a helper steroid because it has been very easy on my body.

I should clarify what I meant by helper steroid, ptren makes other compounds you're taking more effective, so imo its a very good addition to most cycles.

After I get back from the gym tonight, I'll do an update on how my last week or so has been.

 

[nda246]

Im 30, 195lbs at ~10%bf. Ive been cycling on and off for 7 years (maybe 10 cycles or so) and the last 4 or five cycles have been 750 test e and 500 tren e per week for 10 weeks each. This cycle I was thinking of doing higher dose of test (750-1000mg/week) for 16 weeks and run 3wks on 3 wks off 3 wks on propionyltrenbolone for the 16 weeks. The reson for 16 weeks is I will be heading on vacation right after for 7 days. I will start PCT 1 week after I get back from my trip (2 weeks after last inject).

At my weight I was thinking 6mg per day? Should I do 2mg 3x/day or 3mg 2x/day or do you think it matters as I dont know what the half life is?

Also I am in recovery so I will be making an alcohol free oral solution. I was going to disolve in BA/BB and suspend in oil at 4mg/ml. Could I use BA/BB and glycerin instead of oil?

 

[cottonmouth]

^^It shouldn't be weight dependent at all.

Since this is the only place talking about ptren, and kind of the place to ask questions about it. Ill post my upcoming cycle involving it. But I don't want to take away from vibrants log..

I am going to start this on the 20th. I will be giving shot high intensity cycles a try. Its basically 8 weeks on and 4 weeks cruise. It will be 50 days long for the sake of simplicity.

Day 1-50 test p 70mg/day
Day 1-50 mast p 100mg/day
Day 1-20 ptren 4mg/day
Day 30-50 4-6mg/day
ai is letro run at .125 or .25 mg/day most likely at .125

The last 20 days is depending on how i react the first 20. I will basically be trying to gain as much lean mass as possible. Eating as much as possible as clean as possible. From what ive been reading about this compound, from vib and ovrb this should hopefully be an awesome run.

 

[cottonmouth]

And my cruise dose is 150mg/wk test e. that i will run throughout.

 

[nda246]

Cottonmouth, other than cycle history/experience, doses are largely dependant on size and weight. A larger person has a greater amount of blood volume and requires a higher dose of medication to get the same blood hormone concentration as a person with a lower blood volume.

All of the studies I have seen with ptren used roughly .08mg/kg body weight. However, these studies were conducted on horses and as there are no studies conducted on humans I am going to start with .065mg/kg body weight and titrate my dose from there based on lab work, results, and any perceived side effects. I can judge the majority of these side effects subjectively with the exception of liver values.

Because there is little human data, I want some baseline numbers as to the magnitude of increase in liver values at various time points throughout a cycle to try and determine the effect of ptren on the liver. During my cycle I will be getting blood work every 3 weeks which is only feesable because my wife works for labcorp. Over the course of 16 weeks I will have 6 tests done to monitor any changes in my liver values

I will be looking at changes:
A) Over the course of the entire 16 week cycle
B) Over the course of each individual 3 week ptren wave
C) Indicating the liver's ability to recover between each individual 3 week ptren wave

If anyone else has any suggestions to improve the data we can gather I would love to hear them.

I am trying to go about this as methodicly as possible in order to eliminate as many variables as possible. If you would like me to start my own thread I will but I thought it would be nice to have all this great ptren information in one place.

 

[Vibrant]

Im 30, 195lbs at ~10%bf. Ive been cycling on and off for 7 years (maybe 10 cycles or so) and the last 4 or five cycles have been 750 test e and 500 tren e per week for 10 weeks each. This cycle I was thinking of doing higher dose of test (750-1000mg/week) for 16 weeks and run 3wks on 3 wks off 3 wks on propionyltrenbolone for the 16 weeks. The reson for 16 weeks is I will be heading on vacation right after for 7 days. I will start PCT 1 week after I get back from my trip (2 weeks after last inject).

At my weight I was thinking 6mg per day? Should I do 2mg 3x/day or 3mg 2x/day or do you think it matters as I dont know what the half life is?

Also I am in recovery so I will be making an alcohol free oral solution. I was going to disolve in BA/BB and suspend in oil at 4mg/ml. Could I use BA/BB and glycerin instead of oil?

What would be the goals of this cycle? Seeing as you have quite a few cycles under your belt, I think you can add another compound into your cycle. If you're set on a 16 week cycle and looking for lean gains, then EQ might be a good addition. just watch the RBC and BP.

6mg is what most of us are thinking is the optimal dose. By my feel the half life is somewhat short and if I'm not mistaken overB has said its around 6 hours, so I would do 2mg 3x but 3mg 2x would be ok as well.

I'm not a brewer, so I cant answer your Q about how to make an alcohol free solution.

^^It shouldn't be weight dependent at all.

Since this is the only place talking about ptren, and kind of the place to ask questions about it. Ill post my upcoming cycle involving it. But I don't want to take away from vibrants log..

I am going to start this on the 20th. I will be giving shot high intensity cycles a try. Its basically 8 weeks on and 4 weeks cruise. It will be 50 days long for the sake of simplicity.

Day 1-50 test p 70mg/day
Day 1-50 mast p 100mg/day
Day 1-20 ptren 4mg/day
Day 30-50 4-6mg/day
ai is letro run at .125 or .25 mg/day most likely at .125

The last 20 days is depending on how i react the first 20. I will basically be trying to gain as much lean mass as possible. Eating as much as possible as clean as possible. From what ive been reading about this compound, from vib and ovrb this should hopefully be an awesome run.

Feel free to post here in my log because it will give guys planning to run ptren in the future more info in one place.

Cycle looks good bro. you could actually for the last 4 weeks, keep the ptren at 4mg but add var or tbol at a lower dose than what you would run them by themselves. for example var at 50-60mg instead of 80-100mg. I know what some might say that 2 orals is too much but because I feel the ptren is light on the body and makes other compounds better, it will give some very nice results.

I've come to consider the ptren as almost like proviron. they both make other compounds better but unlike proviron, ptren itself gives very good results.

 

[nda246]

Now I tend to focus primarily on strength and increasing my total. Size generaly accompanies strength gains to some degree but body composition and size are no longer my main objective. I thought about adding another compound but since I have no experience with ptren and I want to see how it affects me by itself (with the exception of test) if I have other compounds in my system it becomes too difficult to figure out what caused what result when I manipulate dosing protocols.

If you have any suggestions I all ears!

 

[cottonmouth]

Feel free to post here in my log because it will give guys planning to run ptren in the future more info in one place.

Cycle looks good bro. you could actually for the last 4 weeks, keep the ptren at 4mg but add var or tbol at a lower dose than what you would run them by themselves. for example var at 50-60mg instead of 80-100mg. I know what some might say that 2 orals is too much but because I feel the ptren is light on the body and makes other compounds better, it will give some very nice results.

I've come to consider the ptren as almost like proviron. they both make other compounds better but unlike proviron, ptren itself gives very good results.

Ya that would be a good idea. I might try and run mestanolone, even though it is methylated. 4 weeks is on the shorter end so it shouldn't be that bad. But i do have var, tbol, and dbol on hand.

Im excited to run it, only a couple of days now ..

 

[overburdened]

^^It shouldn't be weight dependent at all.

Since this is the only place talking about ptren, and kind of the place to ask questions about it. Ill post my upcoming cycle involving it. But I don't want to take away from vibrants log..

I am going to start this on the 20th. I will be giving shot high intensity cycles a try. Its basically 8 weeks on and 4 weeks cruise. It will be 50 days long for the sake of simplicity.

Day 1-50 test p 70mg/day
Day 1-50 mast p 100mg/day
Day 1-20 ptren 4mg/day
Day 30-50 4-6mg/day
ai is letro run at .125 or .25 mg/day most likely at .125

The last 20 days is depending on how i react the first 20. I will basically be trying to gain as much lean mass as possible. Eating as much as possible as clean as possible. From what ive been reading about this compound, from vib and ovrb this should hopefully be an awesome run.

This should be REALLY good... I would personally raise the test p to 100mg ed, but thats just me... you should get awesome results from this!!!

 

[overburdened]

Cottonmouth, other than cycle history/experience, doses are largely dependant on size and weight. A larger person has a greater amount of blood volume and requires a higher dose of medication to get the same blood hormone concentration as a person with a lower blood volume.

All of the studies I have seen with ptren used roughly .08mg/kg body weight. However, these studies were conducted on horses and as there are no studies conducted on humans I am going to start with .065mg/kg body weight and titrate my dose from there based on lab work, results, and any perceived side effects. I can judge the majority of these side effects subjectively with the exception of liver values.

Because there is little human data, I want some baseline numbers as to the magnitude of increase in liver values at various time points throughout a cycle to try and determine the effect of ptren on the liver. During my cycle I will be getting blood work every 3 weeks which is only feesable because my wife works for labcorp. Over the course of 16 weeks I will have 6 tests done to monitor any changes in my liver values

I will be looking at changes:
A) Over the course of the entire 16 week cycle
B) Over the course of each individual 3 week ptren wave
C) Indicating the liver's ability to recover between each individual 3 week ptren wave

If anyone else has any suggestions to improve the data we can gather I would love to hear them.

I am trying to go about this as methodicly as possible in order to eliminate as many variables as possible. If you would like me to start my own thread I will but I thought it would be nice to have all this great ptren information in one place.

sounds like you have a good plan bro... you are doing this very intelligently... keep us posted.. I answered your question on an oral solution on the other board.... I can get back to you on it tomorrow... over there...

 

[Vibrant]

big update

Haven't updated whats going on with me in a while.

Last saturday, I finished my competition. I did very well. performance was great. I was very pleased with how I did and how my body held. Had some very tough days. My diet was high carb to give me more energy, and I think I gained a little bit of fat from that. I get good energy from high carbs but I always gain some fat from it even though I take in carbs from high quality sources. I'll have to investigate a little to see why that could be. Since the comp, with my usual diet, I think I've dropped that fat.


Sunday took a day off, I needed it lol.


Monday, back to normal training and diet. leg workout at the gym, calfs and hamstrings. took it a bit light to get back into things,

tuesday, had a vial of Labpe's Myostatin HMP that I reconned and pinned shoulders before my workout. Pump was great and strength was much better than I expected. It usually takes me a few workouts after a long comp to get back into things but it felt like it was a normal workout during my normal training schedule.


Wednesday, I stopped the var/ptren. I was planning to run it a little longer along with the ptren but I found out that I have a few important comps in September. Originally, I planned to finish my cycle at the end of the month and try to get trt but I will extend my cycle to the end of september. I'm currently on 600mg gdl test e/500mg gdl mast p. I will continue that as sort of cruise dose until the beginning of my comps in september, and then ramp up doses a little and throw the var/ptren back in.

Finished the vial of Labpe's Myostatin HMP by pinning quads before my workout. workout was legs. massive pump in quads. machine leg press was awesome, felt like I was almost pulling the muscle with each set. Even the next few days, I had some soreness/muscle pulled feeling in my quads but it felt great.


Thursday, back/bi's workout.


Friday, off.


Saturday, chest/shoulders/tris workout. Workout was unbelievable. I broke a pr on flat bench, which I never expected to do this late into my cycle. I think it was due to Labpe's Myostatin HMP and the ptren. IMO, anybody that has the money and is doing long cycles should add myo hmp into their cycles. Its great stuff, I'll have some pics on a experiment that labpe has done on myo hmp which are very interesting.


Today, legs workout. Went very well. did a lot of stuff, machine leg presses, squats, walking lunges, leg extensions, few exercises for hips.


Diet was good this last week. high protein, low-med carb cycling, high in healthy fats. went thru a couple tubs of peanut and almond butter.

training wise was good as well. In addition to the gym training, did a lot of HIIT cardio and sport training.


I've ordered some GW-501516 because I've read it can increase endurance and fatloss. will be adding that in as soon as I get.


well now that everything is pretty much up to date, I'm off to catch some Z's.

 

[Vibrant]

I've been sort of cruising on test/mast for the last couple of weeks. I have some important out of country comps in about two weeks, so I'm adding some things back in and when I get back, I'll drop the orals and lower the test to a normal cruise dose. Once I make an appointment with an endo, I'll come off long enough to try to get prescribed trt. After that I'll cruise for some time and I have pretty badass blast planned.

I have some time before my comps and I'm training super hard, and using some "supps", lol. here is my protocol for the next days(started yesterday) :


Supp Protocol:

gdl labs test e @ 600mg per week
gdl labs mast p @ 450mg per week

Morning upon wake-up:

Labpe hgh frag 176-191 @ 500mcg
Labpe cjc 1295 w/o dac @ 150mcg
Labpe ghrp2 @ 200mcg

gw-501516 @ 10mg

mid-morning

as2 var @ 40mg
as2 ptren @ 2mg

evening before gym wo

as2 var @ 40mg
as2 ptren @ 2mg

pre bed

letro @ 1.25mg

Labpe cjc 1295 w/o dac @ 150mcg
Labpe ghrp2 @ 250mcg


ton of support supps as usual

training plan:

morning upon waking up, after pinning peps and a energy drink: fasted cardio, running in a park at ~7min mile pace for 25min

after breakfest, sports training

evening, gym workout.

gym schedule:

tues: back/bi's
wed(today) : legs
thurs: chest/shoulders/tri's
fri: legs
sat: off
sun-wed: havent decided order of workouts
thurs: off and leaving for comp


Diet:

I will be carb cycling but total cals will be very high.

 

[GT 500]

what is the real name of or chemical name
Propionyltrenbolone
or allyl trenbolone
cuse i searched and could not fined any info in medical literature on Propionyltrenbolone

 

[kogen]

Awesome log

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

lol

 

[js1]

Haha